Mini 1009 ÔÇô Popularity mafia (Game over - Mafia wins)

[Cuetlachtli]

+ Isn't this just full of exagerated emotion or what? You could just have said his argument was flawed because 1> 2> 3> ... I'm just noting how strongly affected you are by his accusation.

+And #175, what I meant was that you don't seem to see anyone as a townread.

+ Lurkers are terrible and the major source of my pain in previous games. So I'm totally for putting pressure on them to produce content.

Ok I asked you to highlight moments of derision and emotional outburst. Here is what you came up with...

Exemptions / Already underlined in stock post

forgot and No Scum Hunting

What NoPoint Underlined as "Derisive or an Emotional Outburst":

My Responses are in Italics

1. OMG, your Crap-Logic™ is nauseating.

This is my thesis. Maybe I could have said "Your logic is flawed, here is why" and been less dramatic, but that is my play-style. Regardless, this is probably the most "emotional" part of my post.

2. Reaching for straws.

This is part of my argument on why Ecto's logic was bad. There is nothing derisive or emotional about it.

3. And again, more reaching for straws.

See above.

4. Again this is more Crap-Logic™.

See above.

5. This series of questions are inherently primed for failure.

This is a statement in my argument that is supported by the subsequent text. Nothing derisive or emotional in this statement.

And that is it! I asked you to highlight moments of derision and outbursts of emotion and you came up with ONE borderline emotional statement! Therefore, your point about me being "emotional, contemptuous, or derisive" is moot. You and other players are welcome to try again.

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Now to answer some of your other points. (Which are in italics)

+ Isn't this just full of exagerated emotion or what? You could just have said his argument was flawed because 1> 2> 3> ... I'm just noting how strongly affected you are by his accusation.

I did say Ecto's argument was flawed because 1> 2> 3>. Please reread my post carefully. Actually, before you reread my post, read Ecto's ISO 0, 7, and 8 so you know what I am refuting.

+And #175, what I meant was that you don't seem to see anyone as a townread.

Your backpedaling and straw man fallacies are noted. There is a big difference from what I actually did in post #175 (or Cuet ISO 14) and what you accused me of doing. In other words...

1. You accused me of this:

Calling every player scum.

2. On the other hand, this is what I actually did:

Call five players scum, and give null reads on the rest.

Now you are saying that post #175 was fishy because I didn't give any town reads?! Since when should a town player be required to give town reads? At the time of that post, half the players in the game had posted little to no content. I think my null reads were justified because of that.

Vote count

(12 players alive = 7 to lynch before deadline)

(4) ChannelDelibird – Cuethlachtli, Simenon, Tazaro, nopointinactingup
(2) mothrax - scotmany12, ChannelDelibird
(2) nopointinactingup – mothrax, Korashk
(1) Thief - eljcko
(1) Simenon – tumescence
(1) Korts – Thief
(1) Cuethlachtli – Blackberry

Not voting:

:arrow: Day 1 – (Deadline is August 10)

[Cuetlachtli]

Johoono, can we please get another round of prods for the inactives / lurkers? The deadline is next Tuesday.

Please bold your requests, that way I won't miss them as easily. I've prodded tumescence and eljcko (do be more specific of whom you want prodded) since they were closing in on three days without posts.

Sry Johoohno. Thx for the prods.

[Cuetlachtli]

What part of

intuitive

do you think is validatable? What part of

intuitive

do you think needs elaborated on?

So you are giving yourself a free pass on accountability? That is fine, but it has earned you some scum points.

[Cuetlachtli]

Cuet's reaction to Ecto was scummy due to the over the top emotional part of it rather than just simply replying and telling ecto why his case was bad.

I thought I did simply reply and tell Ecto why his case was bad? Fill free to highlight or underline what you think was over the top and emotional in the post in question.

[scotmany12]

Vacation/Limited Access from tomorrow, the 7th, until the 14th. I will have internet access but don't know how much time I will have for this game. I will try to be around during deadline, and I don't see myself being inactive for the entire week.

[ZONEACE]

Hey Yall, I'm replacing Elj. I've read the thread, and taken some notes and I'll post sometime today (it may not be for 12 hours or so, but it will be today).

[Johoohno]

Eljcko hasn't picked up his prods and ZONEACE has offered to step in. Thanks eljcko for playing and thanks ZONEACE for replacing in (effective immediately)!

[ZONEACE]

EDBWOP:

unvote

so my entrance is with a blank slate (vote wise)

[nopointinactingup]

*roll eyes*I hate to argue with you if it's emotional or not because obviously you will just argue on and on. But to me, the repition and wordings do look like an emotional outburst.( as it looks for anybody else besides you)
And as for your scum reads. Did you even notice I'm not accusing you of it?! I even said the fact that you have no town read implies that you are town. You are freaking over your head being paranoid if you are town and are digging your own grave if you are scum.

[tumescence]

Is your inability to read me a personality quirk? Is my inability to be read a personality quirk?

Some people are hard to read, so yes, it's partly that your personality makes it hard to get a read on you; and partly that I'm not skilled enough.

Cuet's reaction to Ecto was scummy due to the over the top emotional part of it rather than just simply replying and telling ecto why his case was bad.

On what basis are you affirming that such "over the top emotion" and sarcasm is not simply a part of Cuet's playstyle? Have you examined Cuet's previous games? Do you agree or disagree that many people get over-emotional or even hysterical when they perceive bad cases being made on them?

You are refusing to scumhunt because everything that everyone does that might be scummy is a personality quirk?

Never have I refused to scumhunt. I have alread scumhunted and, although I have found no scumtells, I have found many towntells and nulltells. Don't you consider searching for towntells a part of the process of scumhunting?

[tumescence]

[oops... corrected the quotes]

Is your inability to read me a personality quirk? Is my inability to be read a personality quirk?

Some people are hard to read, so yes, it's partly that your personality makes it hard to get a read on you; and partly that I'm not skilled enough.

Cuet's reaction to Ecto was scummy due to the over the top emotional part of it rather than just simply replying and telling ecto why his case was bad.

On what basis are you affirming that such "over the top emotion" and sarcasm is not simply a part of Cuet's playstyle? Have you examined Cuet's previous games? Do you agree or disagree that many people get over-emotional or even hysterical when they perceive bad cases being made on them?

You are refusing to scumhunt because everything that everyone does that might be scummy is a personality quirk?

Never have I refused to scumhunt. I have alread scumhunted and, although I have found no scumtells, I have found many towntells and nulltells. Don't you consider searching for towntells a part of the process of scumhunting?

[Tazaro]

Welcome, ZONEACE.

[Simenon]

Limited Access until Monday (the 9th). Might be able to get online tomorrow night.

[ZONEACE]

I'm going to post my notes from my read, they're fairly light as I was only noting things that really jumped out, I have other opinions but for now I don't have the energy to give an in depth analysis (I've been awake for about 20 hours and I'm watching a bunch of Nip/Tuck in a row).

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when things come up that I find odd, then a vote shall be cast by me . If you find me being anti-random voting unusual, please discuss.

I feel like my being defensive of BB is going to cause trouble later in the game, especially if by some weird chance he flips scum, however, I have come under scrutiny because of the same stance and in an effort to explain my point, I will try to explain his.
The second part of his quote seems like an offer to open up discussion, i.e. doing something. He also says that he will vote when there is a reason to vote, a stance I often take myself. RVS is completely new to me with this site, and while I admit, the system I normally play with requires a knowledge of the other players not common on this site, it works (basically meta after discussing game mechanics)

Moth distancing from BB strikes me as odd, and a strange priority for the RV stage.

BB immediately calls him on it. This I like.

Post 21 Scot voes without saying anything, not that weird.

22,23 Eljcko, Mothrax jump on it, Moth votes Scot. Claims scot is bandwagoning, but its only the second vote SCUMMY!!!

31 Simeon's responses to BB ++++

41 Scot points out moth's overreaction to the second vote

49

I saw this after i hit preview, but Iron Man's post does stick to only the first page so i don't think this vote is justified.

No, it doesn't because 2 votes =/= a bandwagon

#91 CDB GREAT analysis. town+++

PAGE 6 Moth jumping on Dr is SCUMMMM-Y

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Thiefs vote on Korts is shyte.

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How moth wasn't lynched on like page 4 is beyond me.

vote: Mothrax

FOS: Thief

Cue's interactions make me uncomfortable.

Town reads of Sime, Scot, and Korts (now replaced), CDB, nopo


Nulls: BB, Elj (prior to my replacement), Taz, tumes


That's all for now. Back later i suppose. Feel free to ask questions, I'll get to them.

[Cuetlachtli]

*roll eyes*I hate to argue with you if it's emotional or not because obviously you will just argue on and on. But to me, the repition and wordings do look like an emotional outburst.( as it looks for anybody else besides you)
And as for your scum reads. Did you even notice I'm not accusing you of it?! I even said the fact that you have no town read implies that you are town. You are freaking over your head being paranoid if you are town and are digging your own grave if you are scum.

More logical fallacies and back pedaling.

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There is a reason that no one can prove that the post in question was an emotional outburst. The reason is because it wasn't. Let me map it out logically for you:

Cuet has position X.
Ecto presents position Y (a distorted version of position X).
Ecto attacks position Y.
Therefore, position X is flawed/false/incorrect/scummy.

Cuet asks for prove of position Y.
Nopoint/Ecto isn't able to prove position Y, therefore position Y is false/flawed/incorrect.


Since you can't prove that the post in question was an emotional outburst (because it wasn't), you are now appealing to popularity with:

( as it looks for anybody else besides you)

Most people approve of position Y (have favorable emotions towards Y).
Therefore, Y is true.

The fact remains, position Y never occurred because there is no proof.

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In respect to your ambiguous read on me, you are backpedaling hardcore. Allow me to show you the progression of the backpedaling:

Nopoint ISO 1

His #175

is basically calling everyone scum

,

which I do not think a scum would really do

.

However

, it could be a gambit and

Cuet stays 2nd on my suspect list.

Nopoint accuses Cuet of premise A (underlined), but premise B says that scum sometimes won't do premise A (Italicized).
However, Nopoint gives position Y (bold) that Cuet is scum because of premise A could be a gambit [premise C].

Cuet ISO 26

In response to your description of #175, notably where you say "

basically calling everyone scum." Actually, I only called 5 out of the 12 players scum, explicitly. Half, as you know, is significantly less than all.

Cuet states premise A is wrong because it didn't occur in post #175.
Since premise A didn't occur, it is inferred that premise C is invalidated.
Therefore, position Y is false.

Nopoint ISO 6

+And #175, what I meant was that you don't seem to see anyone as a townread.

Nopoint adds premise D, a distorted version of premise A, to position Y.
Presumably, Nopoint still thinks Cuet is scum.

Cuet ISO 31

There is a big difference from what I actually did in post #175 (or Cuet ISO 14) and what you accused me of doing. In other words...

1. You accused me of this:

Calling every player scum.

2. On the other hand, this is what I actually did:

Call five players scum, and give null reads on the rest.

Now you are saying that post #175 was fishy because I didn't give any town reads?! Since when should a town player be required to give town reads? At the time of that post, half the players in the game had posted little to no content. I think my null reads were justified because of that.

Cuet refutes premise D.

Nopoint ISO 8

And as for your scum reads.

Did you even notice I'm not accusing you of it?!

I even said the fact that you have no town read implies that you are town

.

Nopoint gives position Z in bold (a distorted version of position Y).
Position Z includes premise B (italics), but lacks premises A, C, and D.
Position Z states that Nopoint never used Cuet's reads as evidence that Cuet is scum, which is contradictory to position Y.
Position Z makes Nopoint's stance on Cuet ambiguous.

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unvote, vote: Nopoint

Charges:

1. Attempting to push lynch of Cuet using the straw man and appeal to popularity fallicies.

2. Backpedaling when pressured by Cuet.

[mothrax]

@zoneface: I was already voting for that slot... I just made it formal by unvoting ectomancer and voting drmyshottyizsik who replaced ecto. As for my bandwagoning comment on scot earlier, I dropped the point as soon as I saw the votecount... I thought when I cast my vote that I had more votes than that... thus the "my defense depends upon the vote count." statement.

[Tazaro]

zoneface

per zoneface's caption below his name, there is no F in zoneface.

[Tazaro]

^I meant "zoneace's caption" and "in zoneace"

[mothrax]

oops, ebwop @zoneace

[Tazaro]

@MOD: Is a replacement for ChannelDelibird going to be sought after?

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm here, I'm catching up. Post tomorrow.

[Thief]

Will see CDB's catch-up post before making a decision to move my vote to the main wagon.

[Tazaro]

I consider the vote count for channeldelibird to be a good pressure for channeldelibird's defending himself in front of our eyes.

[Tazaro]

^I hope I can get a better read from what he says. And I like his name lol, especially the deli part.

[Cuetlachtli]

Since ChannelDeliBird lives in the UK, presumably, he is most likely asleep right now. Thus, I am going to assume that he isn't going to post anything of value before the deadline, which is tomorrow. While I would rather lynch Nopoint today, CDB is seemingly our only viable lynch option, and since the cost-benefit of him being lynched is fair given his content (or lack of), I am going to vote to lynch him.

unvote, vote: ChannelDeliBird

Disclaimer: The deadline is set for around noon, my time, tomorrow. Since I work full-time, it will be unlikely for me to read any new posts of CDB, no matter how brilliant they may be (see CDB iso 2, 3, 6 & 7), tomorrow morning.