Mini Normal 2334: trees (Day 6)

[T-Bone]

After you declare my status as innocent child forever, please quote this post and give me a summary of what you want me to know about this game from YOUR point of view.

For context I have read Day 5 and the Mod ISO.

[tris]

VC 5.1

Groyvel in a Fedora (1):

Gypyx 2519

No Elim (1):

Grovyle in a Fedora 2622

Not Voting:

Black, Aureal, SmileyDude1, T-Bone

With 6 alive it takes 4 to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-05-24 15:07:00)

[Grovyle in a Fedora]

Okay on a scale from 1-10 how confirmed town am I?

-2

[SmileyDude1]

Aureal it doesn't really feel like you are trying to solve the game at all

Nice distancing ol' scumbuddy

You are correct, I have taken a mental vacation from this game and need to reset my thinking when I have the time and energy to spare.

As a start, who would you say you feel better about between Gypyx/Grovyle atm in a vacuum

[SmileyDude1]

I'll compare the associative cases I made for your slot and Ele/Gyp slot and see if there's any disparity towards the amount of leeway i'm giving each of you. (may also amend your case a slight bit, I remember making it in the process of arguing your dayplay was sus in 2403 and I don't know whether I covered everything there. Think I got most of the pertinent stuff but there may be smaller things I missed)

So yeah I kind of didn't find time to do this over the weekend. Will try to get this out sometime tomorrow after work (it's late where i'm at right now).

[T-Bone]

Okay on a scale from 1-10 how confirmed town am I?

-2

-2*(1-10)=18 thanks for the rating.

[Gypyx]

Yeah i just think it's Grovyle / Aureal

[Black]

Welcome T-Bone

There is guaranteed scum in Grovyle/Gypyx so that would be a decent place to start

[T-Bone]

That's not quite a summary of the game but follow up question

Why is no one biting on that?

[Gypyx]

Wdym by biting on that

[T-Bone]

If there is guaranteed scum between you and Grovyle, why are you the only player interested in resolving?

[Gypyx]

People just aren't finding stuff to latch onto in our 1v1 i guess

[Grovyle in a Fedora]

If there is guaranteed scum between you and Grovyle, why are you the only player interested in resolving?

who do u think is mafia between myself/gypyx

[Grovyle in a Fedora]

Yeah i just think it's Grovyle / Aureal

lol

[T-Bone]

I don't know and I'm asking why no one else seems to have an opinion on this. I just replaced in, I asked for information about the game from the remaining players, then I asked this question, it sure would be nice if someone could answer any of my inquires. I'm not reading the 100 non-Day 5 pages, that's just not realistic.

[Black]

That's not quite a summary of the game but follow up question

Why is no one biting on that?

I don't know and I'm asking why no one else seems to have an opinion on this. I just replaced in, I asked for information about the game from the remaining players, then I asked this question, it sure would be nice if someone could answer any of my inquires. I'm not reading the 100 non-Day 5 pages, that's just not realistic.

Well personally I had about 9 minutes before I had to clock in so I didn't really have time to give you a game summary, and I still don't, so you'll have to patiently wait or do some work yourself

[Gypyx]

Yeah i just think it's Grovyle / Aureal

lol

look, regardless of who's scum between us 2, it's imo pretty blatant that aureal is frozen scum

[Gypyx]

I don't know and I'm asking why no one else seems to have an opinion on this. I just replaced in, I asked for information about the game from the remaining players, then I asked this question, it sure would be nice if someone could answer any of my inquires. I'm not reading the 100 non-Day 5 pages, that's just not realistic.

day 4 is imo a pretty important read too but to give you the context :

there was a nokill

doctor nick came out as jailkeeper having jailkept smiley (who kinda was a middle of the pack, nullish slot)

DGB came out as roleblocker, having roleblocked Grovyle

Grovyle claimed novice vanilla cop and confirmed to being blocked

and apparently jailkeeper and roleblocker can't coexist in a setup so we chose to kill DGB

[T-Bone]

But they did co-exist...can they co-exist with cop too???

[Gypyx]

i'm honestly thinking JKer + RBer + Neighborizer is a fair bit scumsided and puts a lot of heavy lifting on the neighborizer's shoulders to be obvtown but also you gotta admit that "Novice Vanilla Cop" is the kind of 0 utility claims that scum make when they're afraid that claiming something more powerful will get them killed because of it being too much town power

[Aureal]

Okay so I wrote up my thoughts and I'm gonna go through and read today's stuff which I've really only skimmed/skipped entirely. I have noticed Gypyx trying to set me up as a scumpartner which is pretty lol and probably would've made me suspect her even if I didn't already think her sidelining play yesterday was bad.

From the way the end of day 3 went down, I do believe that Grovyle had info on Hu Tao's role and that's why he voted her there.

In a world where Grovyle is lying about a result on Gypyx, the setup is Town JK, Town Roleblocker, Town Neighborizer vs. Mafia Vanilla Cop/maybe Rolecop or something reasonably similar that can give role info. I look at that and think it's a little weird but after the JK/Roleblocker were both proven to be town I'm not gonna think further.

In a world where Grovyle is telling the truth about a result on Gypyx, the setup is Town JK, Town Roleblocker, Town Neighborizer, Town Novice Vanilla Cop vs. Unknown Mafia PR(s?). I look at that and think that must be a significantly powerful PR because that's a good bit of town power, and the only thing I can think to slot in there is yet another Roleblocker type and/or Juggernaut.

Now, if Grovyle were a Mafia investigative, I feel like he doesn't just jump on Hu Tao's fake claim as easily as he did. It was under 3 hours from her claim to him voting her, just 20 minutes after he actually showed up in thread. That locks him into having to claim his role to explain his turnabout when Hu Tao flips town, and I think Mafia is going to be more shy about that than town because they'd like to keep their options open to fakeclaim.

But then, that made me worry, if Mafia have a Roleblocker, why did they not block Grovyle, who could find their Roleblocker? So I checked who was called as the JK targets. DrNick should've jailkept Smiley or Gibdo so it's a big risk to have them do the kill - since they apparently wanted to kill DrNick that means someone who was not those two should make the kill. And Smiley's slot was already implicated by the lack of kill when it was the JK target so it fits perfectly as a partner here, nobody was blocking Gibdo. A Gypyx/Smiley team can't risk Gypyx roleblocking Grovyle here while Smiley kills DrNick because Smiley is likely getting blocked, so Gypyx needs to make the kill and thus cannot roleblock.

Bottom line: if Gypyx flips Mafia Roleblocker it's immensely likely that Smiley is the partner.

[Aureal]

Gidbo is the only player i'm comfortable clearing rn

i think grovyle has the worse associatives out of SmileyDude / Grovyle (1 of them has to be scum, reasonably)

Well this just reeks of trying to distance from Smiley if he gets flipped today, to the uninformed "reasonably" Smiley could simply have been the NK target who was protected by the JK

[Aureal]

Gidbo is the only player i'm comfortable clearing rn

i think grovyle has the worse associatives out of SmileyDude / Grovyle (1 of them has to be scum, reasonably)

I agree with the second part but why is Gidbo clear?

I don't think they play ELo the way they did as scum with their partner down in the ropes

What does this even mean? Gibdo's supposed partner was down in the ropes? Who is the partner? You're just assuming Grovyle scum straight into clearing Gibdo based off of not doing much when Grovyle might have gotten flipped yesterday?

[Aureal]

I'm struggling to find reasons why Smiley wouldn't budge on DGB if he is scum here. I think 9 times out of 10 the correct play is to just join in on or at least be ok with the DGB wagon instead of actively fighting against it

Why would scum Smiley care whether townDGB or townGrovyle wagon goes through?

[Gypyx]

Alright so Aureal's out in full force great

ask yourselves this : are these the stances that a lost townie who admits to having struggled to get her head into the game takes

she is arguing with pretty burning passion, unfortunately this is scum passion