Paint Mafia! - Game Over!

[West9]

VOTE: papa zito

This slot being the purple one yesterday still makes the most sense to me. I have no idea why we flipped Elbirn.

^ i remember agreeing a lot with this.

i might have skimmed past most of the color/role spec stuff yesterday, but scum purposefully painting their other member purple seems like the stupidest thing they could have done if we all came to the consensus yesterday that purple = scum.

why are we colorfliping spiff?

[acryon]

We color-flip papa zito.

VOTE: Papa Zito

[acryon]

How sure are we that scum can't paint town? AI'm not asking this rhetorically by the way.

[Spiffeh]

If scum painted town, whoever was painted needs to claim

[lilith2013]

They don't necessarily know they were painted..

[Spiffeh]

That would be really dumb

[acryon]

That would be really dumb

Well it was pointed out this would essentially be a tailor role, right?

[lilith2013]

@mod - If, for example, a player had the ability to "paint" another player a different colour, would the player getting painted be informed that their colour had changed?

It would depend on the specific mechanic causing a colour change. As in, the inner workings of specific mechanics/roles that may or may not exist in this game are not public knowledge.

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[lilith2013]

It's definitely possible they don't know.

[acryon]

Given 2 purples and everyone else blue, is our hypothesis that the two purples are scum? How sure are we on that?

[Anxiety Attack]

it would be basdard modding if it was not informed......

[acryon]

it would be basdard modding if it was not informed......

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... edirect=no seems to imply a similar role, so how would it be bastard?

[Anxiety Attack]

chanigng a persona color is not the same as a framer.

the framer affects the cop for one night

the color change affect the persons role itself permanetly

[Anxiety Attack]

it would be basdard modding if it was not informed......

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... edirect=no seems to imply a similar role, so how would it be bastard?

Because the person would not be informed of the fact they are color changed which fits the definition of the mod lying to the players which is a bastard game.

[Anxiety Attack]

^^^^^^^

SW

[acryon]

I am inclined to agree that the scum probably can't paint town as well. 1) I imagine we would have had a Red now based on Elbirn's check, and 2) it would essentially nullify an entire portion of the game (the color-flip).

[Elbirn]

I don't think that would fall under "lying to the players"...it's not like it's an alignment change, that would be bastard and this isn't a bastard game.

Theory, there's probably not a blue godfather AND a scum role that paints people. I think we're looking for one more scum, the one scum painted them self and is now painting townies to make a sort of smoke screen.

[acryon]

I don't think that would fall under "lying to the players"...it's not like it's an alignment change, that would be bastard and this isn't a bastard game.

Theory, there's probably not a blue godfather AND a scum role that paints people. I think we're looking for one more scum, the one scum painted them self and is now painting townies to make a sort of smoke screen.

But then we have only 3 scum in a 17 player game...

[Davsto]

Definition of bastard by large theme queue stuffs

Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game?

Pretty sure people being able to have their colour changed without being told as such doesn't fit into this.

The fact that the mod didn't immediately go "yeah you'd be told" also makes me think that you may not be told.

Ech.

[acryon]

Definition of bastard by large theme queue stuffs

Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game?

Pretty sure people being able to have their colour changed without being told as such doesn't fit into this.

The fact that the mod didn't immediately go "yeah you'd be told" also makes me think that you may not be told.

Ech.

Eh, but the way he has answered questions all game has always made it open to interpretation. I doubt he would ever be forthcoming unless absolutely necessary.

[Davsto]

@mod - if a player were not to be told if their colour changed, would that, in your opinion, be considered bastard by the Large Theme queue description?

[Anxiety Attack]

There are likely 2 more scum-this is a 17 player game. I also do not think townies can have their color changed and possibly be lynched off of it if they are color flipped. I do believe that scum can change their own colors and that there is no GF. This is where I'm at right now.

~SW

[Aristophanes]

chanigng a persona color is not the same as a framer.

the framer affects the cop for one night

the color change affect the persons role itself permanetly

We don't know that, do we?

[Anxiety Attack]

chanigng a persona color is not the same as a framer.

the framer affects the cop for one night

the color change affect the persons role itself permanetly

We don't know that, do we?

Considering their are two purple players and likely 2 scum left, I'd say we can be pretty sure of this atm.

~SW

[Anxiety Attack]

Definition of bastard by large theme queue stuffs

Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes,

moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not)

, secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game?

Pretty sure people being able to have their colour changed without being told as such doesn't fit into this.

The fact that the mod didn't immediately go "yeah you'd be told" also makes me think that you may not be told.

Ech.

changing a person role would fall under the bolded. its subjective overall but i would classify it as a bastard elemt to not inform the town of such thing