Open 844 – Cults With Guns [Endgame]

[Cook]

pagetop, VC

publicly noting that fua is due up for a prod tomorrow in about (expired on 2022-02-14 14:54:47) or so

[fua]

VOTE: Stephen

[Cook]

VC

Korina (3): Korina, Flea The Magician
Stephen A Smith (3): Andante, Wavemode, fua

Wavemode (2): Enchant, Datisi
Datisi (1): Stephen A Smith

With 8 alive it takes 5 to hammer.
(expired on 2022-02-17 15:27:49) until deadline.

[Stephen A Smith]

i'm vig and i'm gonna shoot fua in the face tonight

[Enchant]

Really...

[Enchant]

Well regardless.

Either Stephen is not Cult Leader, or real Vig will shot him. So can be left alone.


I PROBABLY SHOULD WARN:

INNOCENT CHILD, IF YOU EVEN IN DANGER OF ELIM, CLAIM BUT DON'T REVEAL

. This protects you from danger of converting.

[Flea The Magician]

I want to make a pun based on fucking up <AAA> but it won't work and I can't fully brain.

Also wow page 2.

No vibe much?

[Flea The Magician]

Well regardless.

Either Stephen is not Cult Leader, or real Vig will shot him. So can be left alone.


I PROBABLY SHOULD WARN:

INNOCENT CHILD, IF YOU EVEN IN DANGER OF ELIM, CLAIM BUT DON'T REVEAL

. This protects you from danger of converting.

Does it though? Like I've played cult before. Cult strips the ability to IC if it's not fired.

VOTE: Enchant

[fua]

Well regardless.

Either Stephen is not Cult Leader, or real Vig will shot him. So can be left alone.


I PROBABLY SHOULD WARN:

INNOCENT CHILD, IF YOU EVEN IN DANGER OF ELIM, CLAIM BUT DON'T REVEAL

. This protects you from danger of converting.

Does it though? Like I've played cult before. Cult strips the ability to IC if it's not fired.

VOTE: Enchant

What? Isn’t that a cult-oriented response? Why would you want the IC to confirm in the first place?

I think Enchant was saying leave room for reasonable doubt, not whatever you just stated.

[Enchant]

Well regardless.

Either Stephen is not Cult Leader, or real Vig will shot him. So can be left alone.


I PROBABLY SHOULD WARN:

INNOCENT CHILD, IF YOU EVEN IN DANGER OF ELIM, CLAIM BUT DON'T REVEAL

. This protects you from danger of converting.

Does it though? Like I've played cult before. Cult strips the ability to IC if it's not fired.

VOTE: Enchant

Innocent Child can reveal once.

Claim is enough to save self from execution. Reveal is overkill.
IC need this ability to prove they are innocent and not converted later. If they just reveal, cult could convert him... Or they could not. And we have no way to know.

Ergo, if you reveal before all cults are dead, you failing.
Also, you voting me for this is briliantly stupid.

[fua]

It would also be incredibly busted if the IC just got to know who the cult is and then became town again.

[fua]

What Enchant said.

[Datisi]

ik kori said that both alignments can post mech, but i stil enchant is town because my experience with enchant tells me that they do not go into this "aggressive pro-town mech" flurry as scum

[Enchant]

Fua/Andante/Wavemode, unvote Stephen immediatly.

Cult can quickhammer Vig and we will lose because of inability to kill both Cult Leaders.

[Datisi]

VOTE: flea

why are you voting enchant for what you deem to be incorrect mech specc?

[fua]

VOTE: Flea

[wavemode]

UNVOTE:

[Andante]

UNVOTE:

[Andante]

VOTE: flea

[Flea The Magician]

Well regardless.

Either Stephen is not Cult Leader, or real Vig will shot him. So can be left alone.


I PROBABLY SHOULD WARN:

INNOCENT CHILD, IF YOU EVEN IN DANGER OF ELIM, CLAIM BUT DON'T REVEAL

. This protects you from danger of converting.

Does it though? Like I've played cult before. Cult strips the ability to IC if it's not fired.

VOTE: Enchant

What? Isn’t that a cult-oriented response? Why would you want the IC to confirm in the first place?

I think Enchant was saying leave room for reasonable doubt, not whatever you just stated.

If you're up for the chop, claim, prove. At that point you buy more time for town and prevent a mischop that day. Next day the WIFOM game starts (which I was freaking great at last time I played cult, ngl)

Cult is fucking weird - Our objective for each and every one of us in this game, is win. Which side we win with changes mid game.

If you claim IC and then have to prove it later and you got converted, RIP you you're not winning.

If you claim IC and prove it you buy discussion time and it invokes ALL THE FUCKING WIFOM. You also don't get to see YOLO but still, I strongly see it as protown to claim and use at the right time.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: flea

why are you voting enchant for what you deem to be incorrect mech specc?

The spec is short play accurate.

I'm playing to win. I was the N1 convert last game, and I still won.

If that means I want to play the long game and get more from this game, then I'm going long play.

[Stephen A Smith]

Fua's nonreaction to my vig claim is highly cult indicative

VOTE: Fua

[Enchant]

Well regardless.

Either Stephen is not Cult Leader, or real Vig will shot him. So can be left alone.


I PROBABLY SHOULD WARN:

INNOCENT CHILD, IF YOU EVEN IN DANGER OF ELIM, CLAIM BUT DON'T REVEAL

. This protects you from danger of converting.

Does it though? Like I've played cult before. Cult strips the ability to IC if it's not fired.

VOTE: Enchant

What? Isn’t that a cult-oriented response? Why would you want the IC to confirm in the first place?

I think Enchant was saying leave room for reasonable doubt, not whatever you just stated.

If you're up for the chop, claim, prove. At that point you buy more time for town and prevent a mischop that day. Next day the WIFOM game starts (which I was freaking great at last time I played cult, ngl)

Cult is fucking weird - Our objective for each and every one of us in this game, is win. Which side we win with changes mid game.

If you claim IC and then have to prove it later and you got converted, RIP you you're not winning.

If you claim IC and prove it you buy discussion time and it invokes ALL THE FUCKING WIFOM. You also don't get to see YOLO but still, I strongly see it as protown to claim and use at the right time.

All you said doesh't make sense.


If IC claims, but doesh't reveals, he is instantly bad convert.
Because it's incredible easy to approve or disapprove converting.

[Flea The Magician]

They're the best convert for one reason with your thoughts like that.
WIFOM.

I'm a lil foggy still from cold turkeying some potent meds, so bear with.

Your spec optimally sees the IC live into YOLO based on play, they then secure the town game or force another night. based on F5/4.
Your F3 is screwed as that is then a WIFOM bomb at the worst time you want it - Unless the vig is still alive and holstered

My spec optimally buys town at least 1 day of solid information - confirms all previous days thinking as town, gives you a line to work on to check if they player has been recruited (style changes, hunting, posting, associatives that may be building) and removes that WIFOM bomb from YOLO as you remove that threat early.
The weakness in my spec is this games inherent WIFOMy nature you cannot know if the cult recruited the IC or not, which is the weak point to that role. After that night passess, they become unconfirmed again and come back to the same level they were at prior to that.

[Enchant]

Okay. For kids.

IC CAN CLAIM. IF HE WAS NOT CCED, HE IS CONFTOWN. THERE'S NO NEED TO REVEAL.

AFTER WE KILL ALL ALPHA-CULTS (OR IF IDK), WE WILL ASK SAID CLAIMED IC TO REVEAL SELF VIA MOD. IF HE DOES REVEAL, GOOD HE IS NOT CONVERTED. IF HE DOESH'T, HE IS CONVERTED AND VANILISED.

Stop trying to prove stupidity.