Mini 1278: Beehive Mystery II- Game Over

th3kuzinator · Post Post #25 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:19 pm

How did you come to the conclusion that Cow and Uphill are town from the posts in-between your 13 and 19? If you were specifically attempting to garner reactions, why did you chose to amend your statement so quickly after receiving pressure?

@Uphill: What do you think of Cow?

@Grimmjow: What do you think of uphill's 18?

mafia-n00b · Post Post #26 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:25 pm

Heh. Go for it. I'm warning you you'll regret it.

fuzzylightning · Post Post #27 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:28 pm

Vote: Cow

because he'd be disappointed if I didn't.

mafia-n00b is being just what his name says he is. Not ready to lynch yet, so won't send him to L-1, which my vote would put him at.

Klazam · Post Post #28 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:29 pm

Day 1 Votecount 2

mafia-n00b (L-2) - th3kuzinator, hasdgfas, Grimmjow,
hasdgfas (L-3) - Umbrage, fuzzylightning,
Frogsterking (L-4) - Uphill,

Not Voting (3)- Frogsterking, mafia-n00b, Johoohno,

5 to lynch. Deadline is on: December 10, Noon EST. Time Left: (expired on 2011-12-10 13:00:00)

mafia-n00b · Post Post #29 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:29 pm

In post 25, th3kuzinator wrote:How did you come to the conclusion that Cow and Uphill are town from the posts in-between your 13 and 19? If you were specifically attempting to garner reactions, why did you chose to amend your statement so quickly after receiving pressure?

@Uphill: What do you think of Cow?

@Grimmjow: What do you think of uphill's 18?

I am relatively new, admittedly, but my estimation of their reaction (negative) to my initial vote is as somewhat townish. As to why I backed off, I didn't want to risk getting railroaded early and hurting the town.

th3kuzinator · Post Post #30 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:50 pm

I don't understand your explanation. You estimated that their reaction would be negative and, because it was, that's somehow townish?

th3kuzinator · Post Post #31 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:54 pm

@Fuzzy: That's all well and good but do you think his responses lean him toward a faction or are you just dismissing it as inexperienced play?

fuzzylightning · Post Post #32 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:05 pm

I am not dismissing anything right now. It looks like a noob-ish play, but that doesn't mean it is. I'm reserving judgment.

mafia-n00b · Post Post #33 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:16 pm

In post 30, th3kuzinator wrote:I don't understand your explanation. You estimated that their reaction would be negative and, because it was, that's somehow townish?

No, I wasn't predicting their reaction, I'm saying that in my opinion their reactions (negative to my initial vote) indicate are a slight town read.

Sorry if I'm not explaining enough. I'm at the Sharks game and posting from my phone.

Umbrage · Post Post #34 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:31 pm

VOTE: fuzzylightning

th3kuzinator · Post Post #35 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:36 pm

But Uphill's reaction wasn't negative. When I asked him what he thought, he said the incident was null.

@Joohono: Thoughts on 26 and subsequent read on n00b, if you have one.

Umbrage · Post Post #36 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:47 pm

In post 27, fuzzylightning wrote:
Vote: Cow
because he'd be disappointed if I didn't.

mafia-n00b is being just what his name says he is. Not ready to lynch yet, so won't send him to L-1, which my vote would put him at.

In post 32, fuzzylightning wrote:I am not dismissing anything right now. It looks like a noob-ish play, but that doesn't mean it is. I'm reserving judgment.

Look at these posts and then tell me this guy isn't scum.

Uphill · Post Post #37 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:52 pm

In post 22, mafia-n00b wrote:
In post 20, Uphill wrote:What do you think of the reactions you got, then? Who is the scummiest person right now, and why aren't you voting anyone right now?

I got townreads, not scumreads. I'll vote for someone as soon as I have a decent reason to.

Uphill and hasdgfas are town.

@hasdgfas You can lynch me if you want, but I'd rather you didn't, since that'd be bad for the town. Lynch scum instead, I'm town.

I definitely dislike how n00b avoided commenting on who the scummiest person was here. I basically prompted him to scumhunt, and he still chose not to.

The appeal to emotion here is also weird. I see lots of town who use ATE along the lines of "I'm town, lynch X instead, he's scum" when they get run up, but not just "I'm town, lynch scum instead". Trying to redirect the wagon without having an idea of where it should be redirected to suggests n00b has a survivalist attitude.

In post 29, mafia-n00b wrote:As to why I backed off, I didn't want to risk getting railroaded early and hurting the town.

And this pretty much confirms it.

Worrying about survival + not worrying about finding scum = SCUM.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mafia-n00b

That is L-1, so don't hammer if you don't intend to. But you should intend to.

In post 25, th3kuzinator wrote:@Uphill: What do you think of Cow?

I'm leaning town, because I think n00b is scum and I don't think Cow is bussing.

mafia-n00b · Post Post #38 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:56 pm

@th3kuzinator you are absolutely right, I got you and him confused. Mea culpa.

Scummiest at this point is Umbrage. Too willing to crucify with limited info.

Umbrage · Post Post #39 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:58 pm

^ town

mafia-n00b · Post Post #40 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:59 pm

Its not that I'm not worried about finding scum, it's that I *know* that I am town. If I get lynched, that's bad for us. Hence, my concern for survival.

Vote: Umbrage

Umbrage · Post Post #41 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:00 pm

Because voting the one person on your side helps with your survival.

Cut the martyr routine and play the game please.

th3kuzinator · Post Post #42 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:01 pm

In post 39, Umbrage wrote:^ town

Agreed on that.

Unvote

No idea how an umbrage vote followed from that though.

th3kuzinator · Post Post #43 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:03 pm

I really disliked 22 but some of his recent posts give me a strong noob-town vibe.

mafia-n00b · Post Post #44 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:05 pm

Heh. Just cause Umbrage is "on my side" doesn't mean he's town. My vote stays with him until I get a better target.

mafia-n00b · Post Post #45 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:07 pm

@th3kuzinator Why do you think Umbrage is town?

th3kuzinator · Post Post #46 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:11 pm

And by Umbrage I think you mean Uphill.

As for 37, Uphill, I don't agree with quite a bit of it. You prompted him to scumhunt but there really wasn't all that much in the thread to base a read on. To be honest his response that there hasn't been a place to put his vote rings more natural than him trying to force out a legitimate scumread because you asked him too. Agreed that the AtE factor was weird, which is what threw me off in 22, but what you're getting at is something different from what I saw. Him saying to lynch scum instead of him is null in my book but the fact that he said he was alright with his death looked like scum AtE. A townie shouldn't want his death ever as he clarifies in the next sentence so I saw no reason he felt the need to respond like that. As for you last point, you're putting too much stock in survival. Sometimes town players, especially newbies, are afraid of their lynches. The intent behind that doesn't read scum to me, especially since a wagon to L-1 did form mighty quickly.

As for your read on Cow, thats purely connections based and thus useless to me.

th3kuzinator · Post Post #47 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:13 pm

I never said Umbrage was town but his read on you despite popular opinion gives me a slight town lean.

th3kuzinator · Post Post #48 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:14 pm

And if you mean my read on Uphill, which is what I'm assuming you mean, its null.

mafia-n00b · Post Post #49 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:18 pm

I meant Umbrage. You said you didn't know why I voted umbrage after he "supported" me. I assumed that you read him town, otherwise why be confused by my vote?

I get your analysis, but still consider him the Scummiest I've seen. Since there's so little info on most of the other players this far, that may not mean much though.