OPEN 281 C9++ day 4

[Powerrox93]

VOTE: parknourie for not RVS voting

[parknourie]

R u serious...

Vote: Powerrox

For not dying at night 0.

[The Master Hand]

EVERYONE: Please answer the following.

1. What alignment do you prefer? Town, Mafia, Serial Killer, or other 3rd Party?
2. What types of roles do you prefer?
3. Would you rather be in a Masonry or a Cult?
4. How many games of mafia have you played/ had any prior experience? (Rough estimate is fine, I just want to judge experience levels.)

@ andrew: If there is an Innocent Child, is he mod-confirmed town from the beginning of the game, or does he choose when he is confirmed as town?

if there is an innocent child, he/she chooses when he is confirmed town

The Baker's Answers

1. Town. No lying is needed. Just straightforward, honest-to-God play.
2. Investigative roles or Supportive roles. I have an awesome record as Vigilante, and I fail as a Doctor. Cop is really hard to play for me, but Tracker is fun.
Favorite role of all time? MASON MASON MASON. <333
3. Masonry.
4. This is my... 37th game on-site. I've been here for almost a year now.

-The Baker

The Candlestick Maker

1.Town. Believe it or not, me and the Baker do agree on some things.
2. Haven't legit played other than stalking Andy, but Vig is definately my style.
3. Cult, I'm Catholic
4. No record.

-The Candlestick Maker

[The Master Hand]

5. If the Innocent Child can choose when he is confirmed, when would you have him confirm himself?

Baker: Definitely now. In my experience with them, they do fairly well claiming early. See Open: 251, Medical Mafia for more.

-The Baker

[Magnetic]

I say we should be questioning/lynching out the people who said "yey 1 mafia down" etc... I don't know about you guys, but thats like instant wolf ;P

[Cookie_of_Death]

Chronopie's not dead yet? This must be rectified.

VOTE: Chronopie

1. What alignment do you prefer? Town, Mafia, Serial Killer, or other 3rd Party?
2. What types of roles do you prefer?
3. Would you rather be in a Masonry or a Cult?
4. How many games of mafia have you played/ had any prior experience? (Rough estimate is fine, I just want to judge experience levels.)

1. Town. Knowing everyone's alignment at the beginning kind of takes the fun out of the game
2. Killing or protective. Killing, because it takes out the annoying step of having to convince other people to lynch the person you think is scum. Protective because you can keep the people you like around longer.
3. Never been in either, but masonry would be cool (you have someone who knows you're town). I would be OK with getting recruited into a cult, but only if they were winning.
4. I'm an alt, and quite a bit.

[Chronopie]

EVERYONE: Please answer the following.

1. What alignment do you prefer? Town, Mafia, Serial Killer, or other 3rd Party?
2. What types of roles do you prefer?
3. Would you rather be in a Masonry or a Cult?
4. How many games of mafia have you played/ had any prior experience? (Rough estimate is fine, I just want to judge experience levels.)

1) SK - SSBF Mafia was good
2) Killing roles
3) Cult - Succession was also good. (and I have a terribad track record as Mason)
4) I don't count, but enough. >30 though.

5) When he/she is close to a lynch, or in a 1v1.

[tanstalas]

1)Mafia
2)Killing or investigating roles
3)hmm, probably cult, because it can grow
4)dunno. 10 probably on this site, a couple on another site
5) /agree with Chrono's answer

[Escho]

EVERYONE: Please answer the following.

1. What alignment do you prefer? Town, Mafia, Serial Killer, or other 3rd Party?
2. What types of roles do you prefer?
3. Would you rather be in a Masonry or a Cult?
4. How many games of mafia have you played/ had any prior experience?

1. I prefer town as of now, I'm just finding the thrill of finding the mafia greater than killing people at night.
2. I'd like to try cop!
3. Ermmm no idea what that means lol
4. I've finished one full game of forum mafia so far.
5. I'd say at L-1 or when someone else claims they are innocent child ( which I doubt people will do ).

And yes! Younha (chick in my dp) is so damn hawt

[Magnetic]

[quote="The Master Hand"]

EVERYONE: Please answer the following.

1. What alignment do you prefer? Town, Mafia, Serial Killer, or other 3rd Party?
2. What types of roles do you prefer?
3. Would you rather be in a Masonry or a Cult?
4. How many games of mafia have you played/ had any prior experience? (Rough estimate is fine, I just want to judge experience levels.)

1)Town, I like to spend most of my time READING people than READING PEOPLE + Hiding my role (LYING)
2)Townie, Because i like to talk alot, and saying my thoughts on the persons role, and in the end i get targeted for being a SMART ASS, WHICH IS GOOD... cos im a townie
3)Masonry
4)Online = 3-5? Irl with mates= 20 at the least?

P.S i love personallity test, what did i get?

[Edgerobin]

EVERYONE: Please answer the following.

1. What alignment do you prefer? Town, Mafia, Serial Killer, or other 3rd Party?
2. What types of roles do you prefer?
3. Would you rather be in a Masonry or a Cult?
4. How many games of mafia have you played/ had any prior experience? (Rough estimate is fine, I just want to judge experience levels.)

1. Mafia.
2. Killing or investigative
3. Masonry
4. I am an experienced alt. I will be ignoring any further questions as to my main identity or my experience.

5. If the Innocent Child can choose when he is confirmed, when would you have him confirm himself?

Baker: Definitely now. In my experience with them, they do fairly well claiming early. See Open: 251, Medical Mafia for more.

Disagree.

All claiming early does is flag to the scum not to attack them and gives the YMMV bonus of knowing that the Innocent Child's suspicions are genuine. A confirmation is likely to be much more useful if the Innocent Child is himself under attack, as a means of potentially throwing scum into a difficult situation (ie having to respond to a claim).

I say we should be questioning/lynching out the people who said "yey 1 mafia down" etc... I don't know about you guys, but thats like instant wolf ;P

Unvote, Vote: Magnetic

The above is very "passive aggressive".

1) He avoids explicitly identifying the people who did cheer about the mafia death (ie Escho and parknourie).
2) He says we "should be questioning/lynching", which has two sub-issues:
a) He says we "should be" doing it, but doesn't follow-through and actually do it (which you'd expect him to do if he was in any way genuine about this)
b) Questioning is very different to Lynching - he doesn't say which one he thinks is correct - this post keeps his options open as to which direction he takes (basically, dangling his feet)
3) "I don't know about you guys" and the emoticon ;p both make him seem less than entirely committed to this - again, dangling his feet.

[Magnetic]

@tanstalas: <3 FF9... BEST ONE out of 6,7,8,10,10-2, and 12!! KWEEEEH!

[Edgerobin]

@tanstalas: <3 FF9... BEST ONE out of 6,7,8,10,10-2, and 12!! KWEEEEH!

8 was the best. This is only further proof that you are scum

[Magnetic]

@Edgerobin: You can suck my dick. THE CHOCOBOS ARE THE CUTEST THING EVA... AND VIVI IS THE SHIT!

[Magnetic]

I say we should be questioning/lynching out the people who said "yey 1 mafia down" etc... I don't know about you guys, but thats like instant wolf ;P

Unvote, Vote: Magnetic

The above is very "passive aggressive".

1) He avoids explicitly identifying the people who did cheer about the mafia death (ie Escho and parknourie).
2) He says we "should be questioning/lynching", which has two sub-issues:
a) He says we "should be" doing it, but doesn't follow-through and actually do it (which you'd expect him to do if he was in any way genuine about this)
b) Questioning is very different to Lynching - he doesn't say which one he thinks is correct - this post keeps his options open as to which direction he takes (basically, dangling his feet)
3) "I don't know about you guys" and the emoticon ;p both make him seem less than entirely committed to this - again, dangling his feet.

1)I did not "avoid". The mafia game only has two pages, finding out who did cheer about the mafia's death does not require much efforts from the others .
2)a) Its called waiting for the response of "escho" and "parknourie"... 1st I input my thoughts, 2nd i wait for the reply of others, 3rd lynch/not lynch based on what comes out of it.
b)When i said questioning/lynching... I clearly meant Question. Then lynch or not based on their arguement or the psychology of how they replied.
3)As i said, I wait the reply of others. And also the ";P" is due to the fact that im a bubbly person... i like to smile, put out the toungue and wink... its just reflex... ._. <- If your gonna use my emoticons as pyschological evidence, u dont have to try, cos it simple means *holy shit... this guy...*

And no i dont proof read, so if it doesnt make sense, then cool

fixed tags for you

[The Master Hand]

Cool. So we have one confirmed town running around. Which is great. Second only to Masons. (Assuming we have them at all.)

@ Magnetic: Yeah, but most people would celebrate one scumbag dead. It was definitely a surprise for me/us, but that just means there's a SK out there (or a over-eager vig).

Say.

What do you guys think of asking for the one who shot aaah400 to claim?

Yes it would out a townie and PR, but they'd be NEAR-confirmed town and I can't see scum pinning themselves down this early in the game to one role. When I was last in a C9++ as scum I crumbed every town PR (besides mason) on D1 so I could have flexibility. Scum wouldn't fakeclaim like this D1 and daytalk they're definitely going to NOT gamble like this. And if the SK DOES fakeclaim as Vig then we'll know when the mafia doesn't shoot him dead tonight/another night.

@Cookie: What do you have against my bro Chronopie?

@ Chrono: You did well in SSBMafia. Just got kinda' jiffed by SharkFinn in the end there. I'd totally love to be Masons with you sometime though. <3

Why am I not surprised with tanny's submissions?

Escho: Who exactly is this girl? Cop is fun but definitely tough to play as, especially when you get good and scum naturally want you dead.
Masons are confirmed town to each other. Cult is just a fancy mafia group that GROWS. Hard to play as. Even harder to play AGAINST.

Unvote, Vote: Magnetic

you seem hesitant to step on toes and The CandlestickMaker thinks you're overly trying to be town and your hesitance to answer my questions (which resulted in town-typical answers) was scummy. What were you doing, editing it?

Its not a personality test, I'm reactionfishing and seeing HOW you answer.

Look at all you mafia-lovers.
>_>
<___<
>____>

Candlestick says FF10 is the best. Or FF8.
I'm not a big fan, and haven't played any of them, but the female leads are usually attractive eye-candy, so. ^^; (Yuna)

@Edgerobin: But its WIFOM. Do they attack the confirmed-town, knowing they'll be protected by potential Docs or do they shoot someone else like a good player, a crumbing Vig or someone who suspects them? Its more choices they have to make and not alot of time to make them in.

Edgerobin is not likely scum with Magnetic.

-The Baker

[tanstalas]

@tanstalas: <3 FF9... BEST ONE out of 6,7,8,10,10-2, and 12!! KWEEEEH!

8 was the best. This is only further proof that you are scum

WTF?!

8 was not the best

You have to die now, if you are scum or town, it makes no difference.. Vivi is the BEST character ever! and 9's story was also the best. 8 was.. fuck it was bad... so bad... just like scum, you are BAD

VOTE: Unvote
VOTE: Edgerobin

[tanstalas]

What do you guys think of asking for the one who shot aaah400 to claim?

Andy. He was MODKILLED - at least that is what the first post said..

@MOD - Did you screw up and say he was modkilled and then change the OP? because it DID say he was modkilled when the day started. This is kinda a big deal and I expect an answer

dude, my first post works like this:
alive people;
name of alive people

dead people:
names of dead people

modkilled people:
none yet.

so i didnt modkill him(if i did i would provide a reasoning), if you noticed, i never edited my post #4

[Edgerobin]

What do you guys think of asking for the one who shot aaah400 to claim?

Andy. He was MODKILLED - at least that is what the first post said..

Aha. I was confused about this as well.

It says:

utterly and completely frost nova'ed deep freezed, counterspelled, laguna bladed, finger of deathed, storm bolted (MODKILLED)
NONE, AND MAY THERE NEVER BE

I also thought he'd been modkilled, but it seems not...

What do you guys think of asking for the one who shot aaah400 to claim? Yes it would out a townie and PR, but they'd be NEAR-confirmed town and I can't see scum pinning themselves down this early in the game to one role. When I was last in a C9++ as scum I crumbed every town PR (besides mason) on D1 so I could have flexibility. Scum wouldn't fakeclaim like this D1 and daytalk they're definitely going to NOT gamble like this. And if the SK DOES fakeclaim as Vig then we'll know when the mafia doesn't shoot him dead tonight/another night.

NO.

It wouldn't semi-confirm them since they could be SK. I can't see why why them not dying would confirm them as scum either - since mafia are ripe to play wifom with that sort of thing. All it would do is leave us with either confirmation that there is no vig (if nobody claims) or confirmation that there is a vig/sk if somebody does claim. That doesn't help our game this day at all and so there is no point to it.

@MasterHand:

What is this "The Butcher", "The Baker" and "The Candlestickmaker" stuff about?

@Edgerobin: But its WIFOM. Do they attack the confirmed-town, knowing they'll be protected by potential Docs or do they shoot someone else like a good player, a crumbing Vig or someone who suspects them? Its more choices they have to make and not alot of time to make them in.

Well, first, even if the above was right, it would not justify a claim immediately; it would justify a claim at the end of the day.

Second, while everything you say in the above is true, I don't think it helps to a great degree. If nobody has claimed, scum has to take a shot based purely on some combination of player skill, threat and WIFOM. Town's PRs can preempt that as best as possible. In contrast, if a PR has claimed, everything basically comes down to much more of a WIFOM game for both sides. Such a claim does, however, have a significant NEGATIVE impact - a role that can be confirmed as town is extremely powerful at the later points of the game. That's when the role becomes useful in a real sense - and so that's when we should save it until, unless there is a clear and urgent reason why we shouldn't.

@tanstalas: <3 FF9... BEST ONE out of 6,7,8,10,10-2, and 12!! KWEEEEH!

8 was the best. This is only further proof that you are scum

WTF?!

8 was not the best

You have to die now, if you are scum or town, it makes no difference.. Vivi is the BEST character ever! and 9's story was also the best. 8 was.. fuck it was bad... so bad... just like scum, you are BAD

VOTE: Unvote
VOTE: Edgerobin

[Powerrox93]

1. What alignment do you prefer? Town, Mafia, Serial Killer, or other 3rd Party?
2. What types of roles do you prefer?
3. Would you rather be in a Masonry or a Cult?
4. How many games of mafia have you played/ had any prior experience? (Rough estimate is fine, I just want to judge experience levels.)
5. If the Innocent Child can choose when he is confirmed, when would you have him confirm himself?

1. Town
2. Vanillas
3. Masonry
4. 6 finished elsewhere, 2 here
5. When he's got a wagon or when town needs confirmed townies in order to win.

What do you guys think of asking for the one who shot aaah400 to claim? Yes it would out a townie and PR, but they'd be NEAR-confirmed town and I can't see scum pinning themselves down this early in the game to one role.

But couldn't it also be so that the one that shoot was the SK and having an SK as a "confirmed PR" isn't exactly a good thing

[Cookie_of_Death]

What do you guys think of asking for the one who shot aaah400 to claim?

Meh. I would only ask for a claim from a 1-shot vig (unlikely in this case). A real vig wouldn't be worth forcing a claim out of (good vigs can win games single handedly), and obviously any self-respecting SK isn't going to claim the kill.

@Cookie: What do you have against my bro Chronopie?

Chronopie's your brother?
The plot thickens...

Oops, I didn't see the innocent child question.

5. Either in a lylo situation or when he's being wagoned (I've never played with one of these, though, so I kind of don't know).

Magnetic, please learn how to use quote tags, you're giving me a headache already. (You are self-voting, just in case you care.)

[Hoppster]

EVERYONE: Please answer the following.

1. What alignment do you prefer? Town, Mafia, Serial Killer, or other 3rd Party?
2. What types of roles do you prefer?
3. Would you rather be in a Masonry or a Cult?
4. How many games of mafia have you played/ had any prior experience? (Rough estimate is fine, I just want to judge experience levels.)

1. The thought of being a Serial Killer is most fun, however I find it less stressful to play as town.
2. Killing roles.
3. Cult.
4. Umm, well, I play moderately often in RL, however, at a very low skill level as most of the people I play with don't appreciate the depth of the game. I have one finished game on site.

VOTE: Powerrox93

His avatar reminds me of hours I should have spent better.

[Powerrox93]

VOTE: Powerrox93

His avatar reminds me of hours I should have spent better.

On a Android or iPhone?

[Hoppster]

VOTE: Powerrox93

His avatar reminds me of hours I should have spent better.

On a Android or iPhone?

iPod touch, actually.

[The Master Hand]

HE WAS NOT MODKILLED.
Moving on...

Re: Vig Claiming
If they are SK then we pin them in. And scum will shoot at him, so we will know if he doesn't die. And town can just RB him as well, so. Last C9++ I was in I was Mafia RB and me and the Town RB both blocked the SK N0, which we were able to use to out him. Sadly, it never happened and he won. (Thanks to shotty self-hammering in LyLo.) I can't see any scumbag doing it here.
It was just a thought.

I'm

Andrius, The Baker

. My hydra buddy is a friend from college, and he's going to get an account soon; but we're playing this together, so like a good hydra, we tag our posts. I tag mine with my Title, he uses the other name from that story. /punny

WIFOM screws with scum more than us. We act to protect our assets; they have to protect their own AND attack us.
And by the way, whoever Blocked/Protected someone N0, you're near confirmed town as you prevented the scum from killing. Don't claim now, just stay hidden and wait for the day when we need you.

Wow, someone prefers Vanilla Roles. Any reason why you wouldn't reather be, say, a Cop?

I considered the vig/SK claiming because I'm a good Cult Recruiter hunter, and its not that hard to hunt down the SK with the same logic. By forcing him to shoot as we like him to, we're controlling him. If we say "don't shoot tonight" and he does then he's SK. No problems there.

If you were a 1shot Vig who shot aaah400 then claim when you're wagoneed. Welcome to the world of pseudo-masonry.

Chrono's not my brother, just a "bro".

Self-voting is bad. +scumpoints for Magnetic. Cookie is also not likely scum with him.

-The Baker