In post 2419, BROseidon wrote:Case on BS/displaced:
In post 8, Brian Skies wrote:So if we manage to fill out half a page before he obvtowns, we can lynch him?
In post 8, Brian Skies wrote:So if we manage to fill out half a page before he obvtowns, we can lynch him?
Early distancing on F-16.
In post 24, Brian Skies wrote:UNVOTE: F-16
VOTE: Kaze
The last time I saw a discussion like this, Slandaar scum and Peacebringer scum were arguing over the use of a smiley.
Looks for first instance to jump off, though.
In post 100, Brian Skies wrote:Anyhow, I'm currently of the belief that there are flavor traps hidden in this set-up and the sooner we can discuss it and move on from it, the sooner we can find the scum.
Lingers on pointless flavor discussion, doesn't want to engage directly with scumhunting.
In post 389, Brian Skies wrote:Can you point out the rolefishing from her iso? Because it
doesn't really
look like she was doing it to me.
If anything, it looks like
she was trying to move away from it.
Slightly hedged language.
Bad response to AD's push on F-16, especially given that he supposedly knew that Dan's town via role.
In post 389, Brian Skies wrote:They're both being coy (I've already looked ahead though). Dan is town (I've already looked ahead to see his concern). Not quite sure on Myko, having second thoughts on who I think it is because the first post from that slot doesn't match up.
Interrupts a line of questioning on me from his buddy to demonstrate how "good" his reads are. Gives me less room to work with F-16 to determine his alignment+gets town points later when both flip town (although he never got the myko/kthx flip).
In post 389, Brian Skies wrote:*Since I'm revisiting the interactions later anyways and I don't particularly like where they're going with them, I'm skipping Bro vs Pie related posts.
We'll see if he ever gets to this...
In post 593, Brian Skies wrote:No, I just think Pie is townier than you. It's a relativity thing.
I'll also admit that I haven't looked at your interactions that thoroughly yet.
Waiting...
Weak push with no followup onto Kagami. Let's see if there's any continuity on this later...
In post 807, Brian Skies wrote:On another note, I went back to the origins of the Pie vs Bro debate, and Pie was the one blowing it out of proportion, not Bro. I'm greatly disappointed in you, Pie.
For "going over it thoroughly," BS does jack shit in terms of coming to conclusions. He sort of absolves me while maybe having a scumread on pie but not really.
In post 808, Brian Skies wrote:Meh. Now that I'm reading his posts again, Pasch is probably town. Mastin too.
But I'd like Mastin to talk to me about it. Because although I can see town motivation in what Pasch is saying, I think his "scum role-fishing" theory is a little far-fetched and I'm wondering why he went there instead of just occam's razor. Have any of you played with Pasch before? Does he do stuff like this as town?
UNVOTE
Magical town read on both buddies with no trajectory. This is what scum-me did with buddies Rach in Xenoblade and DOMO in NY165.
In post 1058, Brian Skies wrote:I don't know why other people do, but my read changed based on a reevaluation of Falcon's slot. Sure, Falcon's early meta analysis was out-of-place, but I'm not surprised he did it. He had already read that game because he meta-dived me in a micro, so he probably just remembered the reactions from Plum and Kaze to my miller claim there.
Although I didn't like his reactions to Myko and Dan, I can see them coming from a town POV. Falcon probably felt like he was being scum-read for bullshit reasons, thought he had caught scum, and town was ignoring his pleas. His posting gives me similar vibes to the micro I played with him where he was 'sure' I was scum (even though he was wrong) and Nacho was my partner (who was actually scum but I kept ignoring it because regardless of alignment, I knew lynching Nacho wasn't going to win me that game).
Anything Mastin has done/does is just going to be based on biased favoritism. I am aware I do this, so I'm ignoring him right now.
Poorly justified town read onto F-16/mastin slot. F-16 had already had his derpfight with me that was terrible as fuck (which reminds me to go look at some early wagon stuff). mastin's posts were the things that most people thought looked town, not F-16. That BS wasn't in line with that is bad b/c it demonstrates scum trying to read a slot w/o knowing what townies would use to read the slot.
In post 1063, Brian Skies wrote:No, I think you're scummy because you seem more content with sitting on a Pasch lynch with some LAL policy instead of trying to figure him out in the event he's just town who's seeing something that may or may not actually be there.
The more times I read Pasch's posts, the more sense they start to make for me. So I can actually see town motivation coming from them. Yet, you don't seem interested in figuring him out at all. You just want to see him lynched.
VOTE: Plum
I'm okay with a Plum counter-wagon.
Joins Plum counter-wagon. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
In post 1064, Brian Skies wrote:@Pasch: I can't remember, but weren't you up for a claim? I think you're at L-2 and supposedly Kaze's vote is there "in spirit" (he just wants the hammer).
Such civil, very wow. Especially given earlier potshotting @Kaze
In post 1083, Brian Skies wrote:Regarding the Pasch wagon, I'm not really all that interested because I have at least two stronger players telling me I'm wrong about it (and I respect both of them, both of whom I think probably have town-slots). Plum I'm fine with because she is also a scum-read and one both of the aforementioned players want to wagon. At the very least, we can get information based on which wagon actually ends up going through.
Overly justifies pushing one scumread over another using the pretext of "stronger players are telling me I'm wrong."
In post 1283, Brian Skies wrote:That's not a scum-slip. That's a breadcrumb.
And it's probably why he got NK'ed.
I'm okay with claiming, but after seeing all the action I missed before Plum got hammered, it's going to open one hell of a can of worms.
Answer for why Dan got NK'd too quickly accessible. Ffery caught me in Xeno on this (luckily she was already dead, but she still figured it out).
In post 1312, Brian Skies wrote:I actually don't want a mass-claim, but I'm willing to claim my role since I don't see a point in keeping it hidden anymore.
"I think mass claiming is bad even though town was likely down most of its power at this point. Here, let me claim for towncred anyways."
Also note the overemphasizing "actually."
In post 1358, Brian Skies wrote:Fine. Iso me and search for Dan's name. Not only does he appear the most in my iso, but I almost always mention him as town. Even higher than Myko, whose reasoning against Falcon I considered stronger than Dan's.
Immediately jumps at me for pointing out why his claim would be easy to fake as scum. He doesn't want the discussion to happen because others might reach the same conclusion I did.
In post 1360, Brian Skies wrote:I'm not. Bro thinks the timing of my crumbs are suspicious. So I told him to iso me and look for Dan's name. It's not like I was being subtle about Dan being town.
misreps my point about why I was meh on his claim, given that my response to his claim was:
After his claim, Brian completely fades from the game. No idea what happened there, but the jump onto mastin's wagon looks like lazy scum realizing that his partner was boned, and wanting to get some towncred out of it after town reading the slot on a blegh trajectory.
Onto displaced:
Displaced jumps in and wants to make sure he can throw shade on my slot before bussing his buddy, as evidenced by:
In post 2341, displaced wrote:tbh Im leaning on voting pasch simiply because of the post kk made but that hinges on;
1. knowing why you are a universal townread
2. having it fleshed out why BRO is also town, since my role would suggest flavour clearing people isnt the way forward.
Pasch was boned after the Kaze lynch, everyone knew it. Pasch probably left instructions in the scum QT to bus him, but to make sure the last mislynch was lined up first. It's obvious-as that I'm the last mislynch for scum, given that I've been under pressure all game AND mastin probably made a point in the scum QT about me being a relatively easy mislynch.
In post 2357, displaced wrote:@kthx: Im happy for BRO to be town for reasons that are itt, its just my role is saying "Other roles mentioned in flavour is NOT an alignment indicator" and Kag is right about the penalty not being too much of a handicap and could actually benefit a scum player
But then he town reads me, only to go right back to scum reading me?
In post 2399, displaced wrote:It's p obv the last scum is bro, Kthx.
You and RBD's dick swinging contest is really obviously a town v town shitfest but POE aside, christ BRO's ISo is a scum one. It's choc full of weak interaction and defence of now flipped scum and aggresive, spurious attacks on flipped town. Oh and plenty of attempts at tying said flipped scum to said flipped town.
TWO POSTS LATER.
In post 2402, displaced wrote:I mean there's a lot more but this has to be a clincher; simultaneously calls Pieguyn town and scum in the same sentence while changing gears onto Plum, who was in his top two town reads prior to this. Avoids the 'craptastic' Pasch wagon although he's had Pasch as a scumread of varying strength the whole while
Tries to abuse what is a typo to call me scum, also ignores the context of that post (Plum's self-destruct at the end of day 1).
In post 2403, displaced wrote:Stuff that is scummy in a vacuum:
1. Claimed a vig shot at Kaze despite having claimed a no visit track result the previous night. For someone keen to bag on others for their theoretical approach, this makes no sense
2. Equating the negative utility of lovers with your claimed roles. Arguing the back up mod wouldve vetoed crossalignment in your case because of his experience with crossaligned lovers in another game. Having no doubts of his own wrt kthxbye's alignment
1) Doesn't make sense from displaced given that a track result to nowhere means nothing. I was hoping for a track to a kill, but the fact that I didn't get that didn't exonerate Kaze.
2) Argument doesn't make any sense.
Scumslip. If he were town, he would have considered that I may have been blocked, especially given that nobody else claimed an action that failed to go through that day.
