Mini 1549 - House Party Mafia (Party Crashed)

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Ftr you should really take a step back from the game when you get really fed up, because you end up tilting otherwise

You're not the first to tell me that, and it's something I'm (still) working on. But you were mean to me too. No need to call people stupid.

[Jake from State Farm]

his idea of lurking is posting nothing but fluff all game

though twice this game I pointed out what was the smoking gun on Dram and got ignored both times. So makes sense that I just stop posting content and fluff post from now on and become the player I hate lol

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy, everyone tries to draw out information of everyone else. I was there and posting thoughts as they happened. If you want a specific opinion of a player, town or scum, you have to draw it out.

No, normal players do a thing called 'contributing', which often includes another thing called 'stating reasons and reads'.

You shouldn't have to be provoked into meaningful contribution.

[Titus]

Ftr you should really take a step back from the game when you get really fed up, because you end up tilting otherwise

You're not the first to tell me that, and it's something I'm (still) working on. But you were mean to me too. No need to call people stupid.

Calling people stupid is largely unproductive as a) it's ineffective, b) it makes the stupid caller look scummy and c) it allows scum to play peacemaker and encourage everyone to get along. They can post the argument in less loaded manner and get ZOMG obvtown status.

[dramonic]

Im very passionate in game, I generally call everyone an idiot at some point in a game. It's nothing personal.

Edit: I disagree on the smoking gun thing :p

[Majiffy]

though twice this game I pointed out what was the smoking gun on Dram and got ignored both times. So makes sense that I just stop posting content and fluff post from now on and become the player I hate lol

Yeah I think your little wall war was effective insofar as everyone just stopped reading everything both of you posted.

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't like jiffy's avatar btw

p.edit - that is basically what I told AP in a pm, people just get numb to it and decide to ignore both parties. Now people are on to me I will need a new strategy

[Titus]

@Majiffy, everyone tries to draw out information of everyone else. I was there and posting thoughts as they happened. If you want a specific opinion of a player, town or scum, you have to draw it out.

No, normal players do a thing called 'contributing', which often includes another thing called 'stating reasons and reads'.

You shouldn't have to be provoked into meaningful contribution.

I absolutely did. I pushed Mastin. I had you as a town read.

If you couldn't read me based off my posts, the onus on you is to get what content you need. I provided plenty. The content I needed wasn't helpful for you, but that doesn't mean vaccuum. I always provide content as EITHER alignment.

[Majiffy]

Calling people stupid is largely unproductive as a) it's ineffective, b) it makes the stupid caller look scummy and c) it allows scum to play peacemaker and encourage everyone to get along. They can post the argument in less loaded manner and get ZOMG obvtown status.

Mafia has a critical emotional edge and there is nothing better to provoke strong emotional reactions than to insult the intelligence or worthiness of the player.

[Majiffy]

I don't like jiffy's avatar btw

Meh I'm ambivalent to it. I'll probably go back to the old-man-child soon.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

me too dram. i'm not guilt free.

I just take this game so seriously. I can't help it.

I WANT TO WIN.

[Majiffy]

I also like how it looks on the MafBlack skin, being black on gray. I imagine it looks significantly less cool on blue.

[Jake from State Farm]

mafblack skin?

[Titus]

I agree to their being an emotional component but that tactic is largely ineffective. I can't count how many times I've used stupid as an excuse to have people start being nice and neutering any aggression at all. People get no reads from it. It may be a tool you use, but it sucks.

[Jake from State Farm]

i wish they had different colors for the scumobile skin, I use that since I am more often on my phone.

[Majiffy]

i wish they had different colors for the scumobile skin, I use that since I am more often on my phone.

Is it that much nicer using Scumobile for phone? I was immediately turned off by the color palette.

I agree to their being an emotional component but that tactic is largely ineffective ... People get no reads from it. It may be a tool you use, but it sucks.

I've found it fairly effective over the years. Even more so in games with faster paces - live, marathon, short deadline, etc.

mafblack skin?

Less than a week old. Really nice; black background, grey boxes w/ white lettering, etc.

Few small things here and there that need to be worked out (colored font is ugly as fuck atm) but overall a great dark skin.

[AngryPidgeon]

I cant tell if I like this more than mafia sepia

[Jake from State Farm]

well I have gotten use to scumobile since I have been using across all my accounts for 2+ years. I like it better than then the gold one I am being forced to use on my hydra

I just checked out blackskin - :bleh:

[Majiffy]

I cant tell if I like this more than mafia sepia

You do. Because the pencils are ugly on Sepia.

[Drunken Lies]

I use the same one, I don't know what it's called, whichever mobile skin allows

Spoiler:

tags to work properly.

[Drunken Lies]

On a phone I mean. Most of my access is mobile.

[AngryPidgeon]

I think I like it actually. Also BROSEIDON and I might be planning a large theme. We promise no serial killers this time.

....

Or do we

[mastin2]

Oh, so did mastin, for that matter.

Like hell I did. I pushed one mislynch, yes. One. On D1. But guess what?

I never stopped trying to figure the game out.

You did.

And guess what?
Jake and Titus were at the top of my scum list when I died. I thought it was only one (rather than both) of them. But they were both there, as basically my main suspects.

My reads evolved throughout the game.
You? Tunneled me until I was dead. Then latched onto Majiffy as well. Then also latched onto BBMolla. All town. All without you thinking things through. All without you playing. You chastised me for SC, and then

you did the exact fucking thing with BBMolla

. Only worse. Because BBMolla was obvtown by play and conftown by role, essentially. And you lynched him. There was nothing about my game here resembling Anything Goes, your so-called holy grail of my play; my play was bleeding my town meta, and you discarded it. I consistently. CONSISTENTLY. Re-evaluated my reads,

especially

after day one. You gave no such effort. Both Jake and Titus never appeared on your radar, because you were so focused on tunneling town players. The only scum player to show up on your radar was dramonic. (Admittedly, he was the only scum player never showing up in mine. Partially from play, but also largely 'cause of the roleclaim. *points to rant in dead QT about OPness of mafia hider*) There's a reason I was scumreading you: because you. didn't. bother. to. try. That's all it'd have taken to have won. A few minutes of thought. Rather than blindly charging in.

Yes. I made that mistake...on day one. BUT THEN I FIXED IT ON FUTURE DAYS. You? Didn't.

Majiffy tried. (Heck, his main misread of SC? Was justifiable given his own role! Nobody with a town JK PM is going to believe a town RB claim.) He had dramonic in sights at times and had Titus as a giant null, overall. He townread Jake, yes, so his reads were never solid this game. Yet his reads also changed. He put effort into figuring things out and did what he could to put the pieces together. Heck, ETL had Titus in her sights for a large portion of the game. She attacked dramonic, too, if memory serves. And they mighta been suspicious of Jake at some point or another, even if ultimately going onto BBMolla. Their reads evolved all game, too.

Yours...never did.

No, the blame's not 100% on you, but stop dragging down players to hide YOUR faults, BRO. You were basically a scum MVP this game; no town player hurt the town more than you did the entire game.

I think bro played ok. Mastin tunnel on bro was rough and that shitty masin gambit really backfired.

I never tunneled on BRO. I consistently. CONSISTENTLY. Re-evaluated him. I had him as a townread D2, even. (And dram's result made me conftown him, too.) I ultimately concluded, however, that given the choice between him being so incompetent and him simply being scum, that being scum was the more likely of the two. (Thus, my goading at him when he became conftown, realizing that, no, he actually WAS just that bad.) I gave reasons for my read. I explained it. I showed

exactly

where I was coming from. In crystal-clear detail, exactly why my analysis pointed to him as scum, and where the read on him came from.

He did "lol, u so scum" for basically the majority of the game. If he had provided reasoning for his read, like you had. If he had given some semblance of sanity. If he had given anything that could be a traceable thought pattern. Sure. Yeah. I could have townread him. But he didn't. And as it turned out, I was right to have defended dramonic's role as being real like I did. It WAS real. His claimed targets WERE town. And largely, his play was genuine. I'll fully admit that I misread him and that it was a bad misread to have made. But given what I knew and what my read of the situation was, I'll defend it as having been the correct play, because as far as I was concerned, he was the town's only investigative PR and a rather strong one at that, potentially the last town PR in the game aside from Molla. Short of having omnipotence, there was no way to have expected the scum hider. (And clearing so many players as scum fakeclaiming hider also seemed like scum wouldn't pull it off. Thus, another reason why I wanted him alive. Additionally, even if he was scum lying, he'd have to continue faking results. Which would lead to him getting caught eventually.) 98% of the time, when a player claims hider, they're going to be town. (Perhaps not a hider, but if not, then generally a variant of the role.) It's not a fakeclaim scum think of, and it's not a role mods give scum thanks to how 'worthless' it would be. So a player claiming hider to me is obviously going to not be the right lynch.

In any other game. In literally any other game. (Well, aside from Tough Guy Mafia, and sorta Tales.) That hider claim would have been from a town player. So of course I was going to defend dramonic after that. And, yes, I wouldn't have blindly townread him the whole game. If he gave a result I thought to be BS (for instance, him not hiding behind Jake WAS a legitimate concern of mine! But I wanted to give him another day, because investigating Majiffy/BRO while attempting to lynch Jake was a move I easily could have seen a town-dram doing because by certain thought patterns that'd actually be the correct play!), then I would have recognized it.

We never - or at least I never - fake claimed Mason. I just didn't deny it.

Same for me. I made the joke (JOKE) as a reference to Antihero mafia. A GAME YOU WERE IN, ETL, AND THOUGHT YOU WOULD LINK IT TO THAT. Then people actually took it seriously, and I dodged the question, over and over again, specifically because I didn't want to lie and make it a fakeclaim. Given omnipotence, though, I'd have just fakeclaimed it, but lacking it, I chose not to.

Honestly, I thought Dram's claim was a bit of a throw...But somehow town was just too cautious to lynch him and depsite his clears being only on townies, they still managed to pull the mislynches they needed to win.

Again, major gripe of the setup. Nobody.
NOBODY.
Is going to consider a hider claim to come from scum.

Case and point: Tales of Vesperia. Town lost that game because the scum had a godfather-that-could-create-a-custom-rolecop-result. In this case...the default was...hider. (Okay, so it was odd-night hider modified into even-night hider, but still.) So, it's not

quite

a scum hider in that game, but the default scum fakeclaim (which would show up as a real claim to a rolecop, so is essentially a realclaim) was a hider. Which they bought, 100%, as having been real. Because...yep. Nobody is going to expect a scum hider. It sounds like a weak role. It really, really does. But scum hider is

RIDICULOUSLY

powerful. Even if the roles in the game can't confirm its existence!

I meant it when I said it in the dead QT, it's much stronger than when I gave the scum a Sane Cop as a real role. It's essentially a mod-provided fakeclaim that the scumteam--knowing they can use--can then build their play around, to make a game where the town is never going to realistically win outside of pure sheer dumb luck. The mafia won Tales. They lost Tough Guy Mafia because they screwed up and hid behind the nightkill, but otherwise would have had a frighteningly-realistic chance of winning. And dramonic claiming hider this game made him essentially unlynchable, at least in the contemporary gamestate.

If there was a scum lynch or two, sure, yeah, dramonic could have been caught. If his results had been less believable (and they were rapidly approaching that), sure, yeah, dramonic would have been lynched. But short of that? He was never going to get lynched. Ever. Because mafia hiders are a stupid, stupid idea that consistently screws towns over. Short of there being an actual cop (or gunsmith) in the game, I'd take hider over godfather as mafia, simply because it is a ridiculously strong and flexible PR for them to have.

In theory, mafia hider is a weak PR. In theory, it's not a strong mafia PR. In theory, it's easy for the town to lynch them. In theory, it's something that is just a small boost to the scumteam. In reality. In actual practice. It's one of THE strongest scum PRs you could ever give them. Acting as basically a mega-godfather (both investigation AND kill immune!) who can realclaim safely as if they were a cop, so long as they don't claim to hide behind a scumbuddy. Especially if the town doesn't actually have a cop.

You know, if you guys had just followed my reads you'd have totally won :/

(Thus, why I didn't think dramonic was scum. Not just from role, but from play. Play ultimately revealed to be heavy bussing, but I wasn't expecting him to do that.)

/ranting.

[Majiffy]

I think I like it actually. Also BROSEIDON and I might be planning a large theme. We promise no serial killers this time.

....

Or do we

Pre-in me. I'm down to like 2 or 3 games now.

[ActionDan]

Ya... I'm happy I got most of everything right?

Didn't think there would be 3 maf. :/ setup indeed scumsided by numbers.

Actually setup very very anti-SK