Mafia 73: NEGWLTWWWTKY - Abandoned!

[DarlaBlueEyes]

// Deep Breaths // Reading what I can, Will get back to you all.

[elvis_knits]

She's reading everything? Must be scum.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

would you rather I read nothing and just start pointing fingers? :p and Im not reading everything just recent stuff.

[Toaster Strudel]

That's exactly what elvis did, so she must think it's a good thing.

[Flameaxe]

Who reads?

[Erg0]

Vote: Battle Mage

I remembered!

[IH]

I've decided I'm going to post thoughts on original things, and then gradually catch up.

So in other words, start off playing the game, and the plan is I continually post and catch up from integration, looking up what I need to.

This sounds like a good idea.

I believe there is a a townie mindset that is mostly looking for "scum" player and "town" players. At least in the beginning of a game, I don't think townies think about or look for SK's. It's too nebulous. Maybe later in the game I can see trying to identify scum from scum and looking for an SK. But I think townies don't look for SK on D1.

I would generally agree with this. Unfortunately I don't think that TS is a generic player, as she is a pretty eratic player. Whenever she gets caught, she's usually pretty clear, so I'd personally say that this tell on her is probably null. I like your logic on this though.

I generally like Elvis's answers to Volkan's questions.

On second thought, due to the spam(partly MY spam), I may review the last few pages, but I probably won't read the 30-40 pages I actually missed in the mean time unless the conversation shifts to that point where something interesting comes up from it.

[vollkan]

First off, thanks to EK for responding in full.

{EK}
0: Wants to be directed as to what to read. Needless to say, this is a truly dreadful attitude to take. No townie should ever ask to be "directed". I admit that reading threads on replacement can get a little tedious, but that's absolutely no excuse.

It's 90 pages, senor. You can't even get any other replacements for this game cause it's so long. I am at least here and in this trying to help, even though I can't go back and read over 2000 posts. I agree it's less than ideal, and I don't blame you for being a little PO'ed, as you read the whole thing when it was 60 pages. I'm sorry. But you're looking at it from the perspective that "not having time to read, or not wanting to read 90 pages" is scummy. I don't think that's fair. If anything, wouldn't scum try to read more? To look more helpful? They would be trying to fake townie. I'm not. I'm just being honest with you.

If you want me to ask for a better replacement, I'll do that. But I don't think you can get anyone else.

I'm willing to grant you that, maybe, you just couldn't be bothered. For me, replacing entails a pledge to do at least a skim-read of the entire thread. I mean, even I don't analyse every post in thorough detail, but I think it is better to develop (by yourself!) at least a cursory picture of the game.

I do not like the fact that you assert that scum have a motivation for reading the thread. Maybe your experience differs to mine, but in Stargate SG-1 Mafia, for instance, I replaced in fairly late (I forget how many pages) and read barely anything. I won that game as scum, and I only needed to refer back to things in order to supplement cases etc.

Let me ask you this frankly: Do you think the fact I read through the thread is a scumtell? If not why did you raise the suggestion?

I didn't like how in the beginning of the game neoviper votes BM for being jumpy. He gets voted himself and says

Your expecting me to react to a vote in the random voting stage?

Like he doesn't care if people vote him.

I hate "over-reaction" as a justification for voting more than anybody, so I will agree with you on the BM vote. But, that said, I do not see your logic with respect to his non-reaction. It is a random vote. Why should he care if people are random voting? I know for a fact that I don't. You aren't drawing any logical link between "doesn't care if people vote him" (which is wrong, because you omit the word "random") and the insinuation that his play is scummy.

Unvote: Battle Mage Erg0, any reasoning behind your vote for me?

So he makes a big reaction by unvoting BM and asking for a reason BM is voting him. Which is so obviously in contrast to his earlier statement that he won't react to random votes on him.

Er...He is asking Erg0 to explain his vote, not BM (He is unvoting BM). Erg0 voted NV with just a vote on its own. In contrast, the first random vote from TS was one accompanied by something like "let's see how you react".

I think I like flameaxe because he makes me laugh

He usually makes me grind my teeth.

You really think TS was right to criticize people for hammering Kscope? It was deadline. Did you want a no-lynch? There was no time for a claim. And I don't know why TS turned so against the lynch when she was already voting kscope before the bandwagon. IT doesn't make sense to me.

I finally made the effort of checking the deadline timing, but it turns out that Shanba stated it in his post. The deadline was 6 hours and 55 minutes away from when the lynch occurred. I think it is something of a debatable point whether or not that is long enough to wait (or short enough to hammer regardless).

@TS: In light of the fact that there was 6 hours, 55 minutes, do you maintain that they "rushed"?

I believe there is a a townie mindset that is mostly looking for "scum" player and "town" players. At least in the beginning of a game, I don't think townies think about or look for SK's. It's too nebulous. Maybe later in the game I can see trying to identify scum from scum and looking for an SK. But I think townies don't look for SK on D1.

I believe mafia, who already have more info and know who all the mafia members are, look for other scummy players and can identify an SK much easier. They look for it, where a townie does not.

Could it be just a joke on TS's part? Sure. But I also think there is usually a grain of truth in jokes. Why would she choose to make that exact joke? Why was she thinking of SK's?

If town has a good reason to see behaviour as more SK-like than mafia-like, then town has a good reason for accusing someone of potentially being a SK.

I hate you for trying to teach me how to write posts. That's really pompous of you.

I was not teaching you how to write. I was showing you that your post was flipping the onus of proof onto her by enabling you to abscond from giving reasons.

I know that saying "why shouldn't we lynch you" is a lame scummy thing to say under some circumstances. But I didn't just pull it out of my ass like "well, we have nothing better to do so why shouldn't we lynch you." I said it because she said she should not be lynched without giving any reason. Try reading in context next time before you attack me and try to teach me how to post.

Thanks for pointing this out. I didn't realise that this was the background to the "why shouldn't we lynch you", which looked like it flowed from your previous paragraph.

[Toaster Strudel]

I finally made the effort of checking the deadline timing, but it turns out that Shanba stated it in his post. The deadline was 6 hours and 55 minutes away from when the lynch occurred. I think it is something of a debatable point whether or not that is long enough to wait (or short enough to hammer regardless).

@TS: In light of the fact that there was 6 hours, 55 minutes, do you maintain that they "rushed"?

It's not exactly rushed, it's that they put MORE votes that were necessary for the deadline lynch to occur, making it more difficult to backtrack and lynch someone else if there was a beleivable power role claim.

[Toaster Strudel]

YagamiLight set off my scumdar, so does elvis. Personally I think that still not having read the thread, while pushing hard for the main wagon is a dead give away.

[zu_Faul]

Didn't cow want to tell us who he targeted? Just sayin, maybe that could help clearing someone.

[hasdgfas]

Didn't cow want to tell us who he targeted? Just sayin, maybe that could help clearing someone.

Oh, right. I totally forgot about that. I'm sure someone will take something from this information.

I targeted zu last night because he's seemed a bit iffy to me so far this game.

[elvis_knits]

So since he's alive, that means somebody tried to kill him, or he's NK immune. Right? I did read some things in this game...

[Toaster Strudel]

Since when is Zu_Faul a likely scum target?

[hasdgfas]

So since he's alive, that means somebody tried to kill him, or he's NK immune. Right? I did read some things in this game...

right.

Since when is Zu_Faul a likely scum target?

He's not....
Remember how last time I tried to save someone I killed the doc? I figured that I should try to vig someone I thought was scum this time, so Zu it was. I think someone tried to vig him, but all I know is what ek said.

[Shanba]

Vote Count:

3: TS

(Battle Mage, elvis_knits, Panzerjager)

2: Zu_Faul

(hasdgfas, vollkan)

2: elvis_knits

(Toaster Strudel, zu_Faul)

1: Erg0

(Flameaxe)

1: Battle Mage

(Erg0)

Not Voting:

spambot, JordanA24, Xylthixlm, IH, Erg0

Ok people, this is just slightly ridiculous. Consider yourselves deadlined for 2 weeks from now - that's 0:00 AM in Saturday the 17th in New York (or 7 AM my time) as official deadline, but any votes after that will be counted up to the point where I lock the thread that morning.

Now post, please?

[Battle Mage]

i'll post content here tomorrow. Ive got a bit of a read to do.

[Xylthixlm]

Flameaxe, welcome to the top of my scumlist. Feel proud of yourself.

Vote Flameaxe

Also happy lynching: vollkan, Toaster Strudel.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

I am not sure who I want to lynch after reading everything but my top suspects are TS and EK

[zu_Faul]

Since when is Zu_Faul a likely scum target?

He's not....

But still you are voting for me. Something doesn't seem right.

I am not sure who I want to lynch after reading everything but my top suspects are TS and EK

Could you give any reasons? I find it interesting to say the least that you picked two people accusing each other.

[Flameaxe]

Flameaxe, welcome to the top of my scumlist. Feel proud of yourself.

Vote Flameaxe

Also happy lynching: vollkan, Toaster Strudel.

I would love to hear why. You never did after all.

[Xylthixlm]

I would love to hear why. You never did after all.

I don't remember, but it must have been a good reason.

[Flameaxe]

I would love to hear why. You never did after all.

I don't remember, but it must have been a good reason.

That's nice?

[vollkan]

I would love to hear why. You never did after all.

I don't remember, but it must have been a good reason.

Nice to see Xylthixlm putting in a big effort with his analysis.

Why do you suspect:
A) Me?
B) Flameaxe?
C) TS?

You may be claimed, but that doesn't mean you're infallible.

[Xylthixlm]

Off the top of my head...

A) You are trying harder to look like you're trying to find scum, than you are actually trying to find scum.
B) Flameaxe opposed schismatized's lynch.
C) TS reacted strangely around the time of hasdgfas's claim, and hasn't done anything to improve my opinion since.