Mini Theme 1513: Theater Season Mafia: Day Four

[uctriton00]

Btw can we get thescum qt

No, it's just us talking about what user we would sleep with if we met them in real life

[Lord Mhork]

That double vote doesn't make sense. Plus that makes it even weaker. Please TAM. Tell me how you thought scum team was powerful. I want to know.

[pitoli]

Btw can we get thescum qt

No, it's just us talking about what user we would sleep with if we met them in real life

This is relevant to our interests!!

[Lord Mhork]

Well I'm fine with releasing it, but I don't remember much posting there. I think I ended up saying more in the dead qt

[uctriton00]

Btw can we get thescum qt

No, it's just us talking about what user we would sleep with if we met them in real life

This is relevant to our interests!!

It got awkward when someone pointed out someone was actually much younger than we thought.

[notscience]

I just want to know why you killed rice tbqh

[BROseidon]

wat.

I want to know if you guys want to sleep with me

[pitoli]

MS could use a good scandal

[notscience]

Oh bro

Have I redeemed myself yet

[Smudger]

Mhork

you have me so wrong, but thank you for your honesty and thoughts.

If calling you a dickhead hurt I apologise,

Your reaction regarding the mix up with comments on Mastin blinkered me to the reason behind your hardline profanity and verbal abuse, you wound me up with the simple fact you would not apologise for that initial outburst led me to act the way I did, I did think of you as and treated you as a child throwing a tantrum, it seems I was wrong and should open my eyes more to why.

I have read through your comments ion the game and will take away from it some very good pointers

thank you

[Smudger]

Mantis, my avatar is a cartoon caricature of De Niro..

[The Acting Method]

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/24GHZLpyzreV : Scum QT

Actually Empking thought that I had a strong scum team with both the original set up, and this one.

Ucitriton's role was probably in my opinion, the least powerful.

Also, Trollie was the closest thing to a third party in this game.

As I previously said, How I see it, it's how the role is played. I was expecting a dumber town overall, and a more intelligent scum.

And yes, I have seen town ignore completely events like I described. Or completely misinterpret them. Now admittedly I probably should have done what the game I'm thinking of did where the votes of a single player would result in them voting another player.

This same game had me catching scum day one for essentially being me. (Long story, game happened on the other site I play on, It makes a little more sense when you realize the theme of the game was members of aforementioned site.)

[Psyche]

lol math and logic

[Lord Mhork]

Ok let's go by this step by step then. From the sound of your post, you believed my role to be the strongest, yes? Then please address the points where you gave town several roles that either directly countered or, worse, rendered my 'bonus' a disadvantage. You gave me a role that easily fucks me over, a role that I still have no idea what it's supposed to do except suck and out scum members, and the most hyper conditional role I have ever seen.

This scum team was not powerful. Not on any level or to anyone's eyes. Whatever you and Empking saw here was, for lack of a better phrase, completely totally and 100% wrong.

Now not only was scum team massively crippled from the get go, but you grossly overstocked the town with power roles. You gave then THREE investigative roles, a doc/vig, and massive versatility. Town shouldn't gage this kind of flexibility. Scum should.

Your rationale for all those plays was also insanely antiscum. They were all massively protown on every level with only vaguely situational scum uses that only really exist if you squint your eyes really hard and cock your head to the side. Seriously. Every one of those just punished scum even further for daring to EXIST in your grossly townsided setup. And as for that sudden VT info windfall and your comment that 'town would really need help' there, fuck that noise. That, to me, is terrible design on every level. Town shouldn't have inevitability in mafia. You can't punish scum for not winning fast enough, especially when the town has docs a several townies confirmed every night. Seriously. It's not your job as mid to make sure that town has a good shot at winning over time. You need to BALANCE. Plus your punishing mafia for slow townie play which they would have needed to have any chance up get a real power role.

I also have to ask you two things. One: why the hell would you give the weakest role in the game to a SCUM MEMBER who are, by definition, innately weaker by numbers. Two: why would your other scum member be a third party? Like, how does that even follow? I really need you to explain how this game was winnable in any level by scum. All I see here is you, as mod, punishing scum for existing.

Now as for expecting town to 'play dumber,' that is a terrible way to design any faction. You don't load then up with power roles and pray they don't use them right. That's a sure way to a grossly broken game. All power roles should be considered in ALL their possible uses and with regard to ALL interactions with ALL other roles. This game felt like you slapped a ton of roles on the the town and a few roles on scum that were wordy and thus seemed more powerful while doing less than nothing when the town not only countered but crippled them.

Now I'm actually really pissed at your comment that you feel as though scum should have 'played smarter.' Like, what does that even mean? What should we have done? Who are you to look down on us after you designed this? Sure I had lurkery teammates and I was mega emotionally compromised and ragey, but those are COMMON scum traits. These happen across the board and the fact that other games can have scum not be expected to have every player act on Don Corleone status and not be a complete blowout like this fustercluck should say a lot about the game.

In short, you made a massive, game destroying mistake--both you AND Empking--when you tried to balance a game assuming all VI town and all master manipulator scum. You CANT do that. It's not fair to the town because it was won for then from the get go. It's not fair for scum because they have to play a hand where everything is stacked against then. Frankly unbalanced games like this are a waste of everyone's time.

And I'm actually a little sick at your proposed solution for outing the scum team. That would be like have you bold one of our names in every vote count and hope that town doesn't notice. Like that is NOT ok on ANY level.

Again you have absolutely no right to call scum dumb for losing this. I'm ridiculously offended at that.

And the point of all this isn't to make you feel bad or tell at you. I'm trying to get you to understand exactly how terribly broken this game was. A game like this SHOULD NOT exist. It is your responsibility as moderator to make sure all your factions have equal chances at winning. You look like you're trying to write this off as slightly townsided and dumb scum fucked themselves over. That is NOT what happened

[uctriton00]

I was expecting a dumber town overall,

and a more intelligent scum.

"Not my fault you lost, you were just too dumb". That's a nice way of treating your players.

[Lord Mhork]

Exactly. Scum definitely played suboptimally, but you know who else did? Town.

[Psyche]

We mislynched once.

[Lord Mhork]

Psyche you cannot honestly think that the town overall played a good game. Half the town was playing anti town or wasn't here. Y'all won because this game was not balanced on any level.

I mean congratulations and all, but don't try to play this as a mega win for you guys.

[Psyche]

There was definitely a lot of obstruction. But the town as a whole got past it.

[Lord Mhork]

You all got past it via investigation results. Those game from the tons if power that the mod gave the town. The only reason I was lynched was like archer results and PoE from townies role confirmed.

[Lord Mhork]

Like not to put you all down, but the towns day game was kinda awful. The only real lynch you got was uct.

[pitoli]

Like not to put you all down, but the towns day game was kinda awful. The only real lynch you got was uct.

So it's not okay for TAM to imply that scum played badly but it's okay for you to say that an entire alignment sucked? I really want to empathize with you Mhork, but it goes both ways.

Please grow up and move on.

[uctriton00]

Like not to put you all down, but the towns day game was kinda awful. The only real lynch you got was uct.

So it's not okay for TAM to imply that scum played badly but it's okay for you to say that an entire alignment sucked? I really want to empathize with you Mhork, but it goes both ways.

Please grow up and move on.

[Lord Mhork]

What the hell? Truth is the truth. Both sides played poorly. TAM can't say the reason we lost was due to us being stupid. Town won because they were hard core pumped with power roles. Where is the disconnect?

[Psyche]

Like not to put you all down, but the towns day game was kinda awful. The only real lynch you got was uct.

You were next after Rach.