Micro 15 - Alternating Semi-Open 9P: Mafia Wins!

[evilpacman18]

If you say you will, then do it and not just make a statement?

Eager to bypass a claim aren't we? We'll deal with you later.

vote: Lupo

[Knight of Cydonia]

Final Vote Count Of Day 1:
Lupo: 5 (ChannelDelibird, Seanald, GreyICE, White Shadows, evilpacman18)

Seanald: 1 (Telo)
GreyICE: 1 (KrazyEyeKilla7)
KrazyEyeKilla7: 1 (Copper)
evilpacman18: 1 (Lupo)

After considerable back and forth, the town finally settled on a shady looking individual named Lupo. Or at least, they had thought he was shady looking. In reality, he was just like them... well, just like most of them, at least.

Lupo, a

Vanilla Townie

, has been lynched.

Night One begins now. Any possible role actions are due in (expired on 2012-09-08 02:39:00).

[Knight of Cydonia]

As the sun rises over the sleepy little village you call home, those of you left after last night's lynching assemble again in the centre of the village.

All of you except for one. GreyICE might have been a little...

kawaii

... for some of your tastes, but the bag of medical supplies and complete lack of sharp suits leave his good intentions in no doubt. Shame someone with less kind intentions got to him first, really.

GreyICE has been killed. He was an

Even-Nights Doctor

.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2012-09-25 02:30:00).

With 7 alive, 4 to lynch/no-lynch.

[White Shadows]

I failed.

[Seanald]

what you mean?

[Telo]

VOTE: Seanald

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

VOTE: PacMan

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

If you say you will, then do it and not just make a statement?

Eager to bypass a claim aren't we? We'll deal with you later.

vote: Lupo

To lay down the hammer vote so swiftly lies some scummy behavior, especially when I made that comment before Lupo's claim.

So no, I wasn't bypassing a claim. Because there wasn't a claim to bypass. YOU bypassed a claim and killed a VT.

[Copper]

If you say you will, then do it and not just make a statement?

Eager to bypass a claim aren't we? We'll deal with you later.

vote: Lupo

To lay down the hammer vote so swiftly lies some scummy behavior, especially when I made that comment before Lupo's claim.

So no, I wasn't bypassing a claim. Because there wasn't a claim to bypass. YOU bypassed a claim and killed a VT.

This is just factually untrue. Your comment (that he should lynch Lupo) was indeed before the claim, but his hammer vote was after. How is it bypassing a claim to lynch someone after they claimed?

Vote: KrazyEyeKilla

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

It's "ignoring" a claim, which to me is bypassing. I didn't say he should lynch Lupo, I said if he was going to, then he might as well do it instead of just saying he would. To put a hammer vote on someone who claimed their role so quickly without 2nd thought, is just ridiculous.

I'm wondering why you're backing him up on something that is clearly a scum move.

[evilpacman18]

Are you kidding me? I didn't ignore his claim, I just didn't believe it. If he'd claimed a PR I obviously would've had more reservations. You, on the other hand, weren't even interested in making sure we weren't lynching a PR.
And now you're trying to get on ME for being eager to lynch? I'm the one who gave him time! What was I supposed to do, "oh you're a VT? Damn, well let's move on and wait for someone who claims scum when they're at L-1."

nope.jpg

[Knight of Cydonia]

White Shadows has requested replacement.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Doesn't matter if he's a PR or a VT, you still put a hammer vote down on someone who was on town side AND CLAIMED IT. Now we're down 2 pro town, one of them our doctor, and my guess says you're a good scumread right now based on that one vote.

and yeah I know it's somewhat weak to go off on just a vote, but anyone who's truly pro-town wouldn't go off and make the scum/town ratio a staggering 2/5.

You also keep forgetting that I said that i COULD put the hammer vote down, but because I didn't feel he was scummy (posted before his claim), that he shouldn't be lynched. You, on the other hand, quickly said you would do it. All I said was that (essentially) actions speak louder than words. And you placed the final vote to lynch him within 3 posts of my statement.

As for his claim on being a VT. Of course scum can claim VT, but even if that WAS the case, what makes that a just cause for a hammer vote? "Oh I don't trust your claim because scum is able to do this, so obviously you're scum"....?? Look, the fact of the matter is that you put the vote on him, you DIDN'T give him time, you only allowed him to claim his VT role.

You are pure scum from head to toe, Pacman. And the fact that Copper is backing you up or doesn't see the signs against you shows either a partnership with you or just the meta of a very ignorant VT.

[Copper]

Doesn't matter if he's a PR or a VT, you still put a hammer vote down on someone who was on town side AND CLAIMED IT.

I literally am unable to prescribe any particular motivation to this argument. It is inanity to a degree that defies explanation.

Krazy - do you think anyone should be lynched, ever? In any game, should a lynch occur? Because being town side and claiming it is something you're allowed to do

even when you're not town.

Imagine! The scum are as free to claim town as anyone else. And so, because of the average life expectancy of a scum claim, I would in fact expect any scum player to claim VT. What do you think? Do you only lynch people who claim scum at L-1?

and yeah I know it's somewhat weak to go off on just a vote, but anyone who's truly pro-town wouldn't go off and make the scum/town ratio a staggering 2/5.

This is using emotionally charged language to try to make an argument out of literally nothing. "Anyone who's truly pro-town" would not...mislynch? Is every player who voted for Lupo scum?

As for his claim on being a VT. Of course scum can claim VT, but even if that WAS the case, what makes that a just cause for a hammer vote? "Oh I don't trust your claim because scum is able to do this, so obviously you're scum"....?? Look, the fact of the matter is that you put the vote on him, you DIDN'T give him time, you only allowed him to claim his VT role.

What's your read on CDB, KEK?

[ChannelDelibird]

VOTE: KrazyEyeKilla

KEK and Lupo were my operating theory for the scum at the end of yesterday and my read on the former has not been changed by the latter's flip. That he is trying to get Pacman lynched for hammering somebody who claimed to be town is just absurd (and I think it is scum-motivated rather than only being extraordinarily stupid).

[Telo]

to post 237 my resonponse is 'WHOA' . That argument doesn't fly at all and as much as I want my vote to stay on Seanald (which is very badly) you've convinced me to vote for you.
UNVOTE: Seanald
VOTE: KrazyEyeKilla

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I'm gonna have to claim so early? Ugh -.- wish you people would see the truth like I do that EvilPacMan is scum scum scum

[ChannelDelibird]

What's your response to 238?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

My response is that Pac did exactly what I just said he did. He took an easy kill and played it off against me, when he's CLEARLY scum! I'm L-2, so if one person votes for me, I'll claim.

[ChannelDelibird]

Pedantry update: You're at Lynch-1, not Lynch-2.

Copper asked pertinent questions. Answer them.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Oh well in that case!

I'm the cop, I did a nightread on pacman and he's scum. I understand this decision will get me killed by either PacMan's vote (which I'm hoping by this point you will see as scum) or I'll die in the night by his partner...doing this for the good of the town, please take my word as truth.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I don't feel I need to answer any questions at this point.

[ChannelDelibird]

UNVOTE: KrazyEyeKilla

Not necessarily against killing him anyway but want to reread Pacman. KEK's play does kind of fit a cop accusing a player "because he's scum" - but by the way, dude, if you are telling the truth, you can't just go "well he lynched a townie" and expect that to be enough. If you are what you say you are, you've just outed yourself in a really bad way.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Yeeeah but to have just reasoning and jumped on for having such, is a bit ridiculous. So because I have no protection from a doctor, I'm doomed. I'll accept that as long as it helps the town.

I've given my reasoning ASIDE from the scumread, because honestly, I would have voted for him either way based on that hammer vote.

No sane townie would put a vote down to remove the odds to 2 scum / 5 town
WHICH IS WHY I DIDN'T. If I was scum, I would have pulled the same thing.

Bottom line, it was a scum move and I know it. How nobody else knows it (without a nightread) is baffling.

[ChannelDelibird]

YOU. DID. NOT. HAVE. JUST. REASONING.

Your case (before the guilty claim) amounted to "he lynched a townie" - and Copper has pointed out how laughable an accusation that is. You're seeing it as just because you have a guilty on him but you're not understanding that it's not in and of itself a reason for us to think he's scum too.

KEK's town, though. This is too genuine a mentality to fake.