Mini 218-KotOR- game over

[StevieT92]

It's not like I can really defend myself, I mean that's my role, and It is a fairly weak role, and hard to confirm, but I can't say I don't look suspicious.

[Mr Stoofer]

Just checking in, still waiting to hear from Mathcam.

[mathcam]

I am indeed Zalbar.

I think Stevie's our best bet for today.

Cam

[al_kohaulec]

I'm also leaning towards Stevie, mostly because of his weak role claim, and I remember being suspicious of him early in the game. I'd have to look back to remember what it was, but I believe he was one of the one's I had some suspicion on earlier.

My list, from most suspicious to least is somewhat like this:

Stevie
Stoofer/Fritz
Mathcam/PBug

I'm interested right now, before I vote, in hearing if mathcam has any actual abilities, or is just a mason, and also what investigation results stevie has. After that I'd like to hear who the vig's targetted, and then who stevie targetted for protection. What do you guys think about doing this in this order? If you think it should be done differently, let's discuss it.

[Coron]

*pokes this game*

It's been like 23 hours since a post and it's been going slowly all day today, so pick it up or I will be forced to deadline.

[StevieT92]

See, this is where I get lynched: I know that Brian is pro town. Yipee .

[mathcam]

I'm interested right now, before I vote, in hearing if mathcam has any actual abilities, or is just a mason.

Why?

Cam

[al_kohaulec]

well for one, that was what we were doing. Our claims and stuff. And so far it looks like you and another are masons, you who have no abilities (unless you're not telling us them) and the other guy who can investigate one person throughout the whole game and got lucky and got mafia. You're the only one so far who hasn't claimed fully, unless if you are vanilla (aside from the mason part).

[Mr Stoofer]

I think it was implicit that we were claiming fully, and no-one (including matchcam) is cleared. But at this stage we are so far off lynching mathcam I'm content for him not to reveal any more info if he thinks fit.

My thoughts are as follows. Please note that I am not familiar with KotOR and so all my knowledge of the theme comes from this game and what I can find on stawars.com.

Most scummy claim:
1. Stevie - no name.
2. Fritzler (a) all the pro-town players appear to be the playable characters - except him (and Stevie) (b) too many vigs, with me and Glork.
3. If I were a third party observer I'd put my claim at no. 3 - too many vigs.

Most scummy posting:
1. Fritzler

Stevie and predecessor have posted nothing especially scummy that I can see, although there may have been a degree of lurking

I'd be happy with a Stevie lynch unless anyone else has any bright ideas.

[Fritzler]

2. Fritzler (a) all the pro-town players appear to be the playable characters - except him (and Stevie) (b) too many vigs, with me and Glork.

1. Juhani is a playable character (Stevie is the only one who is not)
2. I've said it before, I'll say it again, Coron likes killing. I talk with him about set ups a lot, and we've created chat games before with close to 50% of the characters haveing kills (not including mafia), or even 100% of characters having kills.

[al_kohaulec]

I am also leaning towards Stevie because of his claim. It sounds the worst right now, but I'm also not sure about the large number of vig roles out there. Just to be clear, the first Vig was a forced one, I believe Fritz claimed one time vig (so he'd only get one kill) and are you a forced vig or not Stoofer?

[Fritzler]

He said multi shot. He's obviously not forced because there's only been one kill.

[al_kohaulec]

ok, just wanted to make sure because I definitely wouldn't have believed two forced vig roles. It still sounds like 2 vigs + the mafia + a one-shot vig is kind of a lot. The mafia could nearly win after one night.

[al_kohaulec]

As I thought about it some more, I don't like Stevie's claim because he doesn't have a name with it, but since he is the only person who's claimed a cop other than our one-shot cop. I'm am, as I've already said, highly doubtful of there being so many vig roles out there. What I gotta think right now, is whether I believe that we could have up to three kills every night, or 2 kills every night with one night having 3 kills. But I'm pretty sure I'm going to vote for one of these two, and not Stevie.

[mathcam]

Vote: Stevie.

Cam

[mathcam]

al -- I thought the BabyJesus/VisMajor thing explained one of the kills.

Cam

[al_kohaulec]

I really do believe Stevie's claim. After thinking about it, I believe he is in fact a cop. Not a very useful one, since it takes two days for his investigation results to come. But unless you can convince me that one of the dead players was a cop, I believe that Stevie was in fact the cop. I'm leaning more towards one of the vigs right now, and I don't like the sound of having two vigs (not too mention the BJ/VisMajor thing) and a one shot would seem more believable than having two other vigs in the game.

Vote: Stoofer

[Fritzler]

Driven off

BrianMcQueso- T3-M4 - Cop

how's that for proof? Although he is the only doc so far, so that may be saying something.

[al_kohaulec]

hmm... I didn't see that :p. Thanks

I guess I should look over that real quick. (I feel so stupid right now.)

[al_kohaulec]

Winners

BabyJesus-Carth- neutral at time of win.

Aboard (and their claims):

StevieT92(sapphireverde) - delayed cop/doc
al_kohaulec - doc
Mr. Stoofer(scalebane) - vig
Fritzler - one-shot vig
mathcam - mason
PBuG - mason, one-shot cop

Driven off

VisMaior- Saul - neutral at the time of death
Glork-HK47- forced Vig
Lt. Origen-Joli- thief type
StrykkerVerde-Malak-Godfather
BrianMcQueso- T3-M4 - Cop

Hmm... I'm starting to think maybe it's possible to have two each of. We already have two neutrals gone. A dead vig, plus one for two if one of the two and only one of the two claiming vig is telling the truth. A thief type, don't know what to make of this unless he's one who steals abilities or something. One mafia, (plus probably two more). A dead cop and a one-shot cop, and another claimed cop. So that does also lean towards possibly a liar there. But from the sounds of the second cop claim, it sounds worse than the one shot cop, because that's two days where his target has to live if he wants results, and he probably won't even get a second investigation.

I think I'm going to stick with my vote for Stoofer tho, I just have a strong feeling against him right now, and I disbelieve his claim more than any other.

[Mr Stoofer]

I'm ready to vote Stevie. Not only does his lack of a role jar with me, but he would be a third investigative role after PBuG and Brian McQueso, which is too much for me.

Before we lynch, let's discuss vig-ing tonight. I am happy for Fritzler and I to vig each other (since I think he is likely to be the other scum). If everyone agrees that one of Fritz and I are likely scum, then that is the sensible thing to do, isn't it?

[Fritzler]

What about targetting one of the masons IF Stevie comes up innocent. Cuz if I'm innocent, whose my partner? Mathcam and PBug seem smart enough to set up the destruction of their partner, and are going to win tonight.
If Stevie is guilty we vig the crap out of each other.

[StevieT92]

Vote PBUG

after some careful thinking. You guys are right, there probably won't be three cops. Plus, there is probably two more scum. They fit perfectly.

[al_kohaulec]

I have been thinking about it for a while, and wasn't sure, then I had some doubt and forgot about it, but the crazy conspiracy theory I had ealier made me suspicious of match and PBug because he first claimed a cop (and later a one-shot, so he wouldn't have to prove himself any more) and just happened to be the mafia godfather. Later they both admit to being masons, and we haven't even heard any claim from Math at all (aside from him saying he's a mason). It would seem so perfectly planned out and set up if Math and PBug were the last two mafia, and turned in their leader to gain our trust. I'm not sure if these two are mafia or not, but we need to discuss it just to make sure.

I'm going to

unvote: Stoofer

for now. I don't want to rush anything right now until we're more sure of ourselves about this matter. And if we don't lynch either of the vigs, we'll have to discuss what we should have them do in case if one (or both, it could be possible) are scum.

[Mr Stoofer]

Posts 246 and 247 make me more confident that StevieT92 and Fritzler are the scum. I'm going to

vote: StevieT92

and repeat my proposal, for discussion, that I vig Fritzler tonight.