Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[MaguaofIllusion]

That whole thing about not reading other heads' walls, that's not just for show. =P

As for why Angel over Oman, Oman already has pressure (that he's not responding to). The only escalation is claim or lynch.

Angel, on the other hand, has largely escaped notice, and could use some squeezing.

As for the 3-of-4 scum: Eh, maybe. I agree that scum tend to want to spread themselves out rather than bunch up, but such logic would've made me less likely to suspect, say, Shmugen after implosion's flip. Throwing out suspicion of Angel just based on that reasoning with nothing else is not something I'm going to do.

[Tierce]

No, dude. The thing is--your other head is using a logic that "scum is not likely to bunch up here" on the wagon of ToastyToast, but the issue with this is that he is using that logic with the last shuddering breath of that wagon, when it had four players and all those unflipped people had jumped off. Your other head is not looking at the sequence of people voting ToastyToast (which makes Teleporting Speed Hippos less likely to be scum, as they voted ToastyToast between implosion and Shmugen), but at the last remnants of that wagon as it crumbled. He's not looking at who is voting, he is looking at those who stayed behind because they happened not to post in the meantime. It makes no sense for analysis.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Please don't hammer until I've gotten people to answer my request for nation members.

Nexus, you're at L-2 by my count. Full claim, please.

If it hasn't happened by now why do you think it will happen any time soon?

I'm fairly certain there are people who haven't seen the request yet.

I seriously doubt that is the reason; furthermore if you believe that to be the case why haven't you dragged forward your request on each page you instead of reposting it the once as far as I can remember.

Not sure where I stand on Nexus' claim; would like to see the evidence others have asked for and more input from Nexus before deciding one way or another.

[UberNinja]

Unvote; Vote Oman

Put this shit in the ground yo

[Tierce]

And eeek, fullclaim including name?

Why the hell are you -ing at this?

surely you must have thoughts on situations that you haven't shared yet.

Time to come clean.

And why the hell are you telling him to "come clean", but you don't want him to full claim?

Fuck the general town consensus, Tierce is scummy as fuck with this post.

You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

Your posts are contentless, your reads make no sense, and you're once again deciding that one of the most obvtown players in a game must be scum. Thanks for letting me know that this will be a repeat of Weather Mafia II and Newbie #1236, in which getting you lynched and out of the way actually helps town's chances of a win regardless of your alignment.

Just shut up.

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Nexus, I know you've been online. I'd expect a protown player who has been lurking out of necessity to be well aware of what reads and opinions they actually have and did not share, and be eager to put them forward once the jig's up. It's Sunday, you are done with your uni course, your job interview is only on Tuesday... why the blatant avoidance now?

Give me deets. I'd really like to have you live because HI I'M A CLAIMED CRIMEAN PICK ME PICK ME, but you're not exactly acting protown here, Mordorwich.

[GreyICE]

Please don't hammer until I've gotten people to answer my request for nation members.

Nexus, you're at L-2 by my count. Full claim, please.

If it hasn't happened by now why do you think it will happen any time soon?

I'm fairly certain there are people who haven't seen the request yet.

I seriously doubt that is the reason; furthermore if you believe that to be the case why haven't you dragged forward your request on each page you instead of reposting it the once as far as I can remember.

Not sure where I stand on Nexus' claim; would like to see the evidence others have asked for and more input from Nexus before deciding one way or another.

If there's a gust, does your avatar face in a different direction?

[MaguaofIllusion]

No, dude. The thing is--your other head is using a logic that "scum is not likely to bunch up here" on the wagon of ToastyToast, but the issue with this is that he is using that logic with the last shuddering breath of that wagon, when it had four players and all those unflipped people had jumped off. Your other head is not looking at the sequence of people voting ToastyToast (which makes Teleporting Speed Hippos less likely to be scum, as they voted ToastyToast between implosion and Shmugen), but at the last remnants of that wagon as it crumbled. He's not looking at who is voting, he is looking at those who stayed behind because they happened not to post in the meantime. It makes no sense for analysis.

Hi.

Pretend I have no idea what point it is you're trying to make, and then restate that point.

Because from what I see, the last few posts have been:

I vote Avenging Angel
You're all, "Why are you voting Avenging Angel when your other head thinks he's got to be town based on VCA?"
I'm all, "I don't believe that 3-of-4 is unlikely given you already have two scum voting right next to eachother"
You're all, "I don't trust that VCA at all"
I'm all =/

So it seems like you're, I don't know, agreeing with me? Can't tell.

@GreyICE:

Hi. I'd like a scumread who's not in the set (Katsuki, Oman, Nexus), please and thank you.
Oh, while I'm here, I'd like to know if you think Lady Lambdadelta is town or scum.

[Tierce]

Hi.

Pretend I have no idea what point it is you're trying to make, and then restate that point.

Because from what I see, the last few posts have been:

I vote Avenging Angel
You're all, "Why are you voting Avenging Angel when your other head thinks he's got to be town based on VCA?"
I'm all, "I don't believe that 3-of-4 is unlikely given you already have two scum voting right next to eachother"
You're all, "I don't trust that VCA at all"
I'm all =/

So it seems like you're, I don't know, agreeing with me? Can't tell.

I agree with you.

I'm just bashing the nonsensical VCA post your other head made and hoping he cuts himself further.

[Glork]

trololololol Tierce.


But seriously. Nexus has, like... 24 hours to:
A) Elaborate on the questions about his claim/behavior; and
B) Provide us with analysis of WHO ARE THE SCUMS


....or we just lynch his ass, no questions asked.

[Katsuki]

VOTE: NEXUS

Still scum.

[UberNinja]

trololololol Tierce.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My vote isn't moving off the Ike!doctor claim.

That's a load of bull.

[Magister Ludi]

ALERT!

I do not think we should lynch Nexus, barring a counterclaim.

Why?

Ike is almost certainly a role in this game, despite not having played the games myself I know he is quite famous and popular. I expect him to be in this game.

So that leaves a few possible options.

1. Nexus is town and Ike. What I think the case currently is.
2. Nexus is scum, but fakeclaimed ike for no apparent reason, will get counterclaimed, and die.
3. Nexus is scum with Ike fakeclaim, implying ike is not in the game. I highly doubt this.

Now scum have a prime honeypot of fakeclaims to draw out roles in this game, the little list of people they have to eliminate. If you were scum going to die, the smart play would be to claim someone off that list, (who will presumably be super important) draw out the town player who has that role, and then eliminate them later. So there is a

4. Nexus is scum who claimed Ike off the scum elimination list, eschewing his own fakeclaim

In all scenarios but 1 and 3 Nexus is about to get counterclaimed and die. It is a really good trade for town at this point, scum down three members plus boss man with a bevy of unknown town power roaming about.

I also don't think three is likely, leaving me with the simple idea that Nexus is in fact Ike. On the off chance that Nexus has an ike fakeclaim, I believe that will become apparent later as well.

So the net net of this is, I don't think we should lynch Nexus, and we should lynch oman.

[Glork]

1. Nexus is town and Ike. What I think the case currently is.
2. Nexus is scum, but fakeclaimed ike for no apparent reason, will get counterclaimed, and die.
3. Nexus is scum with Ike fakeclaim, implying ike is not in the game. I highly doubt this.

re: 2,

Ike is the most obvious fakeclaim for scum. If Ike is on the scums' list, and Nexus claims Ike and gets counterclaimed, guess what? Scum have a guranteed target (and likely a power role at that) to kill the ensuing night.


Like... I'm not really sure what misfired in your brain when you said "for no apparent reason," but scum going down in flames will often fakeclaim doctor and/or something-else-they-want-to-kill.

Nexus has done BOTH.

Fuckin' seriously.

[AurorusVox]

@ML: from Vi's Comprehensive Modding Guide
The other preferred precaution is to deliberately leave out main characters and use them as safeclaims for the scum groups.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

@ML: from Vi's Comprehensive Modding Guide
The other preferred precaution is to deliberately leave out main characters and use them as safeclaims for the scum groups.

Fuck

[Alchemist]

I'm getting alot of false notes in Nex's recent post

All steam ahead imo

[Alchemist]

Full steam ahead*

[Katsuki]

unvote

Obviously noone else fancies an Alchemist lynch.

Katsuki, stop trying to fake lack of care by giving stupid "hilarious" answers to GI's question.

Also delayed answer to Katsuki's question.

I think you're faking care to look like you're actually trying to be busy and focus on the game. I'd say it's a bit scummy but not enough to actually be scum.

Just noticed that Nexus finally answered my question.

If someone thinks that these two statements could have possibly come from town, I'd love to hear it.

[Gammagooey]

weee sober gammaposting

ike as a doctor makes slightly more sense than i thought since he's protecting crimean royalty in the second game and i didn't know that i think?

vi would 100% absolutely without hesitation put the biggest character in the game as a fakeclaim though ludi

leaving singer's place soonish so I'll probably post again about it later tonight.

[Nexus]

I was at a wedding reception, Tierce. Also, scumchat is different to being on the forum.

I targetted MoI because I felt that as a hydra of two strong players, they would be a prime target. I genuinely missed Tierce's country claim , that's why I didn't target her.

I was a Roleblocker in ASOS mafia, and I lurked my way through that.

[Nexus]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16341 Now I'm going to bed.

[Tierce]

And... how about the rest? How about all those reads you are sure to have and did not share with the class?

[Nexus]

ASOS Mafia Now I'm going to bed.

Scum (out of): Alchemist, Oman, TSH and Avenging Angel. I don't buy into VCA for the last one.

NOW I'M GOING TO BED.

[GreyICE]

1. Nexus is town and Ike. What I think the case currently is.
2. Nexus is scum, but fakeclaimed ike for no apparent reason, will get counterclaimed, and die.
3. Nexus is scum with Ike fakeclaim, implying ike is not in the game. I highly doubt this.

re: 2,

Ike is the most obvious fakeclaim for scum. If Ike is on the scums' list, and Nexus claims Ike and gets counterclaimed, guess what? Scum have a guranteed target (and likely a power role at that) to kill the ensuing night.


Like... I'm not really sure what misfired in your brain when you said "for no apparent reason," but scum going down in flames will often fakeclaim doctor and/or something-else-they-want-to-kill.

Nexus has done BOTH.

Fuckin' seriously.

Glork.

PranaDevil claimed Doctor in SquareEnix Mafia and you flipped the fuck out at me. You REFUSED to lynch him without a counterclaim, claiming that there was absolutely no way that the game would not have a doctor, and that you WOULD NOT under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES lynch the doctor without a counterclaim. You threatened to lynch me in point of fact (prolly a solid idea, since I was scum, but).

I'm going to have to dig up the exact quotes, but before I do what changed between now and then? Because I will start making a fucking mess all over the bloody place.

Unvote