In post 2146, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Self-hammering can be completely valid. I still maintain that xReck should've argued for his own lynch in the original Liten (3-1-1 endgame and he was obv getting lynched sooner or later).
In hindsight, I think one of the major reasons IC got away with it is Blackberry distracting us 2 Days straight and thereby giving the scum time to shoot the right people.
In post 2146, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Self-hammering can be completely valid. I still maintain that xReck should've argued for his own lynch in the original Liten (3-1-1 endgame and he was obv getting lynched sooner or later).
In post 2136, Vi wrote:I don't feel like digging up the discussion in 62, so I'll mention what was interesting about this game.
1) Six Neighbors in one game. All Town. The original draft of the setup had ABR as a scum Neighbor (Loud Couch IIRC? It was the one Botones couldn't investigate) but I turned it down.
2) Faraday got in trouble D1. He dragged in a hydra-replacement as he was going down (questionable ethics discussion goes here). They made one of the scummiest must-lynch claims in the meta, Vengeful Townie. And through the sheer power of talking nonstop, they managed to not only not get lynched D1, they UNclaimed Vengeful Townie (this is definitely the first game I have ever heard of "unclaiming") in spite of it being the claim that saved them from getting lynched D1, got a power role who was correctly mod-outguessed to be confirmed Town lynched (remember, Minineko was a last-minute addition to the setup and it's much more likely that it'll be an extra Townie getting thrown in), and survived to endgame through a crowd of Neighbors who for the most part correctly read each other as Town.
And what's more amazing about this is that after seeing an unclaim in this game, I've seen it happen in other games. This is also yet another example of a game that SCREAMING DEATH has steamLOLled through doing what everyone already knows they do. It's like people want the meta to change so that the tactics used in this victory are
rewarded
.
so this game would be an example of what?
Why you policy lynch liars on the spot?
I don't really know what this is an example of, per se
Also Sens stop being fucking butthurt
We literally went from being at L-1 on DAY ONE, made the BALLSIEST claim ever as scum, and managed to bus both of our buddies AND our traitor and pull out a win
Stop crying. We won because we outplayed town. "Oh but the town left alive was derptown" YES, THAT'S WHY WE KILLED OFF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ON THE RIGHT TRACK
We had good play here, it was calculated, and it won us the game.
Sorry, but no. As I said, the day after my lynch, there should literally have been no possible combination of roles/actions/claims/etc that would save you from being lynched. If the Town was thinking at all, the Day should literally have lasted until 4 Town players saw the thread and voted IC. Simple as that.
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You were never L-1 on D1 and lynching BB is lulzy, cuz he was traitor, did you even know he was traitor? And even if you did, you couldn't not vote for him
FlayTheScum 1:33 am
RC does not have my stash of animal porn, I promise you.
In post 2136, Vi wrote:I don't feel like digging up the discussion in 62, so I'll mention what was interesting about this game.
1) Six Neighbors in one game. All Town. The original draft of the setup had ABR as a scum Neighbor (Loud Couch IIRC? It was the one Botones couldn't investigate) but I turned it down.
2) Faraday got in trouble D1. He dragged in a hydra-replacement as he was going down (questionable ethics discussion goes here). They made one of the scummiest must-lynch claims in the meta, Vengeful Townie. And through the sheer power of talking nonstop, they managed to not only not get lynched D1, they UNclaimed Vengeful Townie (this is definitely the first game I have ever heard of "unclaiming") in spite of it being the claim that saved them from getting lynched D1, got a power role who was correctly mod-outguessed to be confirmed Town lynched (remember, Minineko was a last-minute addition to the setup and it's much more likely that it'll be an extra Townie getting thrown in), and survived to endgame through a crowd of Neighbors who for the most part correctly read each other as Town.
And what's more amazing about this is that after seeing an unclaim in this game, I've seen it happen in other games. This is also yet another example of a game that SCREAMING DEATH has steamLOLled through doing what everyone already knows they do. It's like people want the meta to change so that the tactics used in this victory are
rewarded
.
so this game would be an example of what?
Why you policy lynch liars on the spot?
I don't really know what this is an example of, per se
Well, that's the answer Yos2 would give.
Aside from the Neighbor meta, it's an example of why letting the Screaming Death playstyle run on its own is a
bad idea
.
That could just be months of bitterness speaking; feel free to not mind me at some point.
Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.
I think the 2 things that really won the game for the mafia here were the traitor playing amazingly well, even if I didn't think so at the time. By doing what he did he basically got 3 competent town killed, thats a lot, it really enabled your strategy of killing everyone that was on to you. The other thing was mini never succesfully bodyguarding. Had he gotten it off at any point it would've been a very different game.
yeah i mean i generally just kill people who show a hint of suspicion towards me as scum, since people are so afraid to publically analyse nk's -- even though i think the meta has shifted a but back towards looking at nk's this game didn't utilise it.
if need be i was planning on pointing out all those people also suspected abr, which they did (incl. you guys day 1?) but tans never even made a case so i was fine.
are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?
Day 2, the two remaining scum members, Irish Dickhead and ABR were under heavy heat. But with quick thinking and a devious plan, BB secured the next two lynches away from them and gave them time to blend back into the background and convince the town to turn on eachother. Bwhahahaha!
OK, maybe I'm not the only only MVP, but I am still very proud of myself for what I did this game. =P
I did dislike the adding of people to hydras in an ongoing game, btw, especially considering now that it was only scum that did it in this game. It did sort of give credit to Faraday's claim that he wasn't feeling this game and that his behaviour was off initially for that reason. It was also a bit at odds with the intention of the game (I mostly ignored Reck, for instance, because of not really knowing him).