Mini Normal 1879 Bringer Mafia II [Game Over]

Unknown1234 · Post Post #2125 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:05 am

After reading through EC Mitchell's posts, there is very little to no reference to Alisae/PP or Sheep. There is a brief mention at the early stage of the game that he says that he thinks Sheep is scum, but it is never followed through on and is eventually dropped. (He wanted Wheme, Terata, and Sheep as his scum team but later only focus on Terata and Wheme).

He also called for a Vig shot on Wheme, which we now realize that wheme was an important PR. That never sat well with me but it feels reinforced now.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #2126 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:06 am

I hear ya, that is the one thing I can't figure out. I did notice after he made that vote, he disappeared for the rest of Day 1. Maybe he made that vote hoping to get town cred later, not realizing how quickly it took off.

Still the list of bad posts by him (and others regarding him) is bad:

Post 61 "I havent played with sheep b4 obv, but he strikes me as a person that would defend himself awkardly as either alignment, so while i think towns could be pinged by his weird wordings, i dont rly think its scummy."

Post 83 "i did reread Sheep, even if i still stand by he would over-defend himself awkwardly as either alignment, i think i still lean scum to the way he's not posted even 1 thing i could find towny" (At the bottom of his reads list, the only person he specifically commented on)

Post 107 (by Sheep) "I also am okay with Terata.
That said I would tend to expect one scum amongst Terata, Naomi, and Chaos - just due to not having a town read on him and having one on the other two, I'll call it as Chaos." (Flip flop on Terata, and classic small group with one scummate in it, but push a townie hardest within the group/Chaos)

Post 172 "i think you should adapt Frogg's approach in this case, Sheep. Show us you can focus on something else than the one you're tunneling with s*** thats boring to read. That will help both you and us more than reading whatever you're doing now, which is being salty at Frogg's annoying (to you) playstyle. Something scum and town could do, so we dont get any info." (weird interaction for someone you supposedly scum read)

Post 179 "(and frogg, just ignore him, you know its best for town, even though im not sure he does)" (Trying to get Frog to focus elsewhere other than Sheep)

Post 202 "Frog being dismissive and non-caring and then having this quick turn. I can't tell if it feels forced or not since i dont know the guy" (tries to discredit Frog who is pushing Sheep, also doesn't "know the guy" yet in Post 61 claimed to know all about Sheep despite never playing with him b4)

Post 379, he has a reads list with 5 town reads (including Penguin), and 4 null reads (including Sheep). His scum reads include 3 players. Pretty much how I'd expect scum Terata to act, 1 scum in each of his two biggest groups.

Post 487, making pre-excuses for his vote on Wheme "i really feel like this is not inexperienced town but inexperienced scum. but im gonna feel so bad if im wrong :/"

Post 505, New Reads List "Sheep- is trying but not being towny" What the heck does "he is trying" mean? He's doing a bad job at faking his towniness? Slip much???

Post 509, responding to Wheme's reads list "Frogg is pretty obvious, but Naomi im more interested in" (4 posts earlier Terata lists Naomi as his #3 town read)

Post 603, new reads list "PenguinPower- he's confident, but need much more from him to lock in as a real read, it's mostly tone so far." Yet never once engages this slot to further his read
Post 603 "Sheep- i have real problems reading this guy because of his poststyle/personality. i'd rather lynch elsewhere for now since i have worse feelings elsewhere, but i won't hard defend him if my townreads agree together on lynching him." Despite throwing him in the scum group, semi defends him "real problems reading this guy" and tries to deflect elsewhere.

Then there was the post by Unknown looking for connections. He list my slot as being the worst for having no interactions with Sheep, yet he put's Penguin's slot at null for the same reasons.

Unknown1234 · Post Post #2127 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:07 am

In post 200, ECMitchell wrote:Hi Everyone,

I'm glad to see this game got shunted right out of the RVS. I've read through all pages up until this point, and I do have some general reads. First, I want to say that I deliberately skipped reading Naomi's introduction post the moment I realized what it was. No offense, Naomi, but if you start all of your games that way, I'd very quickly want to avoid playing with you. It's an excuse in advance of scummy behavior; despite it likely being honest, the fact is, if your behavior is scummy regardless of alignment, you're still a detriment to town. Rather than attempting to safeguard your defensiveness from the start—hoping it serves to keep you in the game longer—I recommend learning to evolve your play style so as to not appear scummy, regardless of alignment. The "Green" vs. "Red" clarification is helpful, though, so thank you for that.

Fro99er, you certainly have an abrasive play style. Not something I appreciate, but likely something I can get use to. Voiding your posts of connotations, I generally agree with your sentiments, up until now at least. You are parroting your defense of comparing Cooperative Sheep to Axel from another game, however, which is coming across as slightly desperate. Despite some pressure coming off of Cooperative Sheep, you still seem very committed to going after them. To confirm, would you like to see Cooperative Sheep lynched today?

Cooperative Sheep has handled the initial pressure
very
scrupulously, and at the moment I wouldn't have any issue going through with a D1 lynch on them. Terata's responses throughout have also rubbed me the wrong way, particularly how he appearingly defended Cooperative Sheep in saying, "It's likely you just handle your defense awkwardly, regardless of alignment." Shortly after, though, he joined in on the pressure on Cooperative Sheep, flat-out calling him scum. To me it appears he was attempting to play both sides in the event Cooperative Sheep might have actually been lynched so quickly—or in the event everyone backed off and he could be seen as one who wasn't as aggressive in an uncertain lynch.

Gerryoat's posts up until now have been primarily filler.

In post 20, gerryoat wrote:I hardclaim town.

In post 21, gerryoat wrote:Was hoping to flip scum but alas, we are where we are

In post 30, gerryoat wrote:R u calling me maf

In post 49, gerryoat wrote:someone else vote so i can activate my 1 shot triple vote

In post 58, gerryoat wrote:I hardclaimed town. You can't be suspect of me

In post 136, gerryoat wrote:At least me saying something was a slip got this game moving out of RVS. lmao

In post 152, gerryoat wrote:My role is powerful btw. So I don't get lynched today
While true that your call-out on Cooperative Sheep got things rolling, you really haven't contributed anything at all yet, despite the game clearly exiting the RVS. Quite a bit of discussion has occurred in the past several pages. Do you have any reads or opinions at this point in the game? I am curious to know your thoughts.

Good luck, and have fun everyone.

Reading through this actually really bothers me. This is their first post when replacing into the game, and you can actually see a reference to Terata and how she is 'buddying' and defending Sheep. I can't tell if this is an early set up or a genuine thought.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #2128 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:09 am

I'm caught up. I'm pretty sure it is Terata. If not Terata, probably Unknown. Lowell is for sure town.

Unknown1234 · Post Post #2129 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:11 am

Havingfitz, if you actually believe it's me, lynch me first but if you are town I would rather see I am Innocent lynched over you right now.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #2130 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:11 am

In post 2124, Unknown1234 wrote:Honestly, Frogger had so much confidence in his read on Alisae. Given Frogger was targeted by Alisae in attempt to get rid of a leader, it is obvious that this reads must have been mostly accurate otherwise he would have been leading incorrect lynches. It makes me much more confident in Terata.

Why not have ECM or HavingFitz in that case do the fake claim? It doesn't make sense to have Alisea do it unless Alisea's partner was more town read than Alisea?

Who fits that bill. Not me or Fitz. Terata is #1. Followed by Lowell and prob you. Fitz and me, tho, nope, try again.

Unknown1234 · Post Post #2131 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:12 am

I don't like how both people who questioned me are your Town-reads. Seems to conveniently easy to just pick me off and then put a strong case against a relatively harder lynch.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #2132 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:13 am

In post 2131, Unknown1234 wrote:I don't like how both people who questioned me are your Town-reads. Seems to conveniently easy to just pick me off and then put a strong case against a relatively harder lynch.

I'm ready to lynch Terata, what are you talking about?!?!?

Unknown1234 · Post Post #2133 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:14 am

Given EC was entirely inactive actually makes more sense for Ali to do it. Leaves less options and a replace out leaves for a fresh start. Could be a matter of activity and the fact that very few people trusted EC.

You just went sassy which I find funny. As if you are going completely aggressive on me for suspecting you.

Unknown1234 · Post Post #2134 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:15 am

That's my point. You can spend your time getting miss lynch #1 off if you're scum with your strongest case. The other two have already gladly shown support for my lynch.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #2135 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:16 am

In post 2133, Unknown1234 wrote:Given EC was entirely inactive actually makes more sense for Ali to do it. Leaves less options and a replace out leaves for a fresh start. Could be a matter of activity and the fact that very few people trusted EC.

You just went sassy which I find funny. As if you are going completely aggressive on me for suspecting you.

Did you miss the part where ECM was at L-1 Day 2. Including Alisea, who pushed hard when people hopped off that wagon. And that was with 2 people unvoting when it got to L-1.

ECM was universally scum read. Try again.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #2136 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:16 am

In post 2133, Unknown1234 wrote:Given EC was entirely inactive actually makes more sense for Ali to do it. Leaves less options and a replace out leaves for a fresh start. Could be a matter of activity and the fact that very few people trusted EC.

You just went sassy which I find funny. As if you are going completely aggressive on me for suspecting you.

Did you miss the part where ECM was at L-1 Day 2. Including Alisea, who pushed hard when people hopped off that wagon. And that was with 2 people unvoting when it got to L-1.

ECM was universally scum read. Try again.

Unknown1234 · Post Post #2137 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:16 am

Also, you can say that I didn't interact with Penguin, but Penguin didn't make a SINGLE post after I made my first post, so that isn't accurate. I did interact with Alisae a lot more however and questioned them as soon as they arrived.

Unknown1234 · Post Post #2138 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:18 am

You didn't read what I said if that's your response. I never said EC was town-read I said nobody would believe them.

Unknown1234 · Post Post #2139 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:18 am

FYI, you said "try again" implying you think I'm purposely trying to make you look scummy or discredit you. If you thought Terata was scum, what need would you have to say that.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #2140 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:19 am

In post 2134, Unknown1234 wrote:That's my point. You can spend your time getting miss lynch #1 off if you're scum with your strongest case. The other two have already gladly shown support for my lynch.

And wouldn't scum IAI be smart to take it them (assuming your town) and then go 1 vs 1 with Fitz tomorrow.

Could it be I'm really town and really trying to figure this out. Forget ECM, trust me I read that crap, and I can't change his play. I've played with him before, he is a pretty crappy player. But if I'm right about Terata, ECM did hit on 2 of the 3 scum, though not really pushing either of them.

I'm town. My play is town. You think that catchup is faked? You don't know I spent the last two days tracking ever vote and unvote:

Day 1
Post Date Player Vote Unvote
4 2/3/2017 Fro99er gerryoat
5 2/3/2017 WhemeStar Unknown1234 (Lil)
7 2/3/2017 AJ The Epic WhemeStar
10 2/3/2017 Cooperative Sheep WhemeStar
11 2/3/2017 Fro99er gerryoat
11 2/3/2017 Fro99er WhemeStar
13 2/3/2017 Lowell Unknown1234 (Lil)
23 2/3/2017 Fro99er WhemeStar
23 2/3/2017 Fro99er Cooperative Sheep
28 2/3/2017 gerryoat Cooperative Sheep
29 2/3/2017 Hawk Cooperative Sheep
51 2/3/2017 Lowell Unknown1234 (Lil)
51 2/3/2017 Lowell Cooperative Sheep
52 2/3/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) Cooperative Sheep
54 2/3/2017 ChaosOmega WhemeStar
62 2/3/2017 Terata Unknown1234 (Lil)
75 2/4/2017 Hawk Cooperative Sheep
75 2/4/2017 Hawk Unknown1234 (Lil)
117 2/4/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) Cooperative Sheep
117 2/4/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) gerryoat
158 2/4/2017 Cooperative Sheep WhemeStar
158 2/4/2017 Cooperative Sheep Fro99er
213 2/4/2017 AJ The Epic WhemeStar
213 2/4/2017 AJ The Epic Hawk
222 2/4/2017 Fro99er Cooperative Sheep
222 2/4/2017 Fro99er Hawk
223 2/4/2017 Cooperative Sheep Fro99er
223 2/4/2017 Cooperative Sheep Hawk
229 2/4/2017 Fro99er Hawk
229 2/4/2017 Fro99er Cooperative Sheep
233 2/4/2017 WhemeStar Unknown1234 (Lil)
233 2/4/2017 WhemeStar Hawk
247 2/4/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) gerryoat
247 2/4/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) Cooperative Sheep
253 2/5/2017 gerryoat Cooperative Sheep
284 2/5/2017 Terata Unknown1234 (Lil)
284 2/5/2017 Terata ChaosOmega
324 2/5/2017 I am Innocent (ny/ECM) WhemeStar
346 2/6/2017 Alisae (Penguin) Cooperative Sheep
355 2/6/2017 Lowell Cooperative Sheep
355 2/6/2017 Lowell ChaosOmega
359 2/6/2017 Fro99er Cooperative Sheep
359 2/6/2017 Fro99er ChaosOmega
391 2/6/2017 Havingfitz (Naomi) Lowell
405 2/6/2017 Fro99er ChaosOmega
429 2/6/2017 Fro99er Lowell
458 2/6/2017 WhemeStar Hawk
458 2/6/2017 WhemeStar Lowell
460 2/6/2017 Terata ChaosOmega
460 2/6/2017 Terata WhemeStar
461 2/6/2017 Fro99er Lowell
461 2/6/2017 Fro99er WhemeStar
527 2/7/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) Cooperative Sheep
527 2/7/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) gerryoat
540 2/7/2017 Alisae (Penguin) Cooperative Sheep
540 2/7/2017 Alisae (Penguin) WhemeStar
545 2/7/2017 Fro99er WhemeStar
552 2/7/2017 Fro99er WhemeStar
572 2/7/2017 Hawk Unknown1234 (Lil)
572 2/7/2017 Hawk Cooperative Sheep
601 2/8/2017 Terata WhemeStar
605 2/8/2017 Terata I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
612 2/8/2017 Lowell ChaosOmega
612 2/8/2017 Lowell I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
613 2/8/2017 Fro99er WhemeStar
613 2/8/2017 Fro99er I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
628 2/8/2017 AJ The Epic Hawk
628 2/8/2017 AJ The Epic Lowell
650 2/9/2017 Fro99er I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
650 2/9/2017 Fro99er Alisae (Penguin)
677 2/10/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) gerryoat
677 2/10/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) WhemeStar
684 2/10/2017 Havingfitz (Naomi) Lowell
725 2/11/2017 Fro99er Alisae (Penguin)
725 2/11/2017 Fro99er Cooperative Sheep
727 2/11/2017 WhemeStar Lowell
727 2/11/2017 WhemeStar Cooperative Sheep
780 2/12/2017 Fro99er Cooperative Sheep
780 2/12/2017 Fro99er Hawk
782 2/12/2017 Terata I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
782 2/12/2017 Terata WhemeStar
790 2/12/2017 Fro99er Hawk
790 2/12/2017 Fro99er Alisae (Penguin)
816 2/12/2017 I am Innocent (ny/ECM) WhemeStar
816 2/12/2017 I am Innocent (ny/ECM) Lowell
854 2/12/2017 Alisae (Penguin) WhemeStar
880 2/12/2017 Fro99er Alisae (Penguin)
883 2/12/2017 Alisae (Penguin) Lowell
892 2/12/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) WhemeStar
944 2/12/2017 Fro99er ChaosOmega
950 2/12/2017 Alisae (Penguin) Lowell
950 2/12/2017 Alisae (Penguin) ChaosOmega
953 2/12/2017 WhemeStar Cooperative Sheep
953 2/12/2017 WhemeStar ChaosOmega
964 2/12/2017 Alisae (Penguin) ChaosOmega
964 2/12/2017 Alisae (Penguin) gerryoat
986 2/13/2017 Havingfitz (Naomi) Cooperative Sheep
1003 2/13/2017 Hawk Cooperative Sheep
1003 2/13/2017 Hawk ChaosOmega
1008 2/13/2017 gerryoat Alisae (Penguin)
1023 2/13/2017 Hawk ChaosOmega
1023 2/13/2017 Hawk gerryoat
1040 2/13/2017 Fro99er ChaosOmega
1040 2/13/2017 Fro99er WhemeStar
1074 2/13/2017 Alisae (Penguin) gerryoat
1074 2/13/2017 Alisae (Penguin) WhemeStar
1076 2/13/2017 I am Innocent (ny/ECM) Lowell
1076 2/13/2017 I am Innocent (ny/ECM) WhemeStar
1089 2/13/2017 Fro99er WhemeStar
1107 2/13/2017 Hawk gerryoat
1107 2/13/2017 Hawk WhemeStar
1129 2/14/2017 Alisae (Penguin) WhemeStar
1138 2/14/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) Havingfitz (Naomi)
1181 2/14/2017 Lowell I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1181 2/14/2017 Lowell Havingfitz (Naomi)
1183 2/14/2017 Cooperative Sheep Hawk
1183 2/14/2017 Cooperative Sheep Lowell
1185 2/14/2017 Havingfitz (Naomi) Cooperative Sheep
1185 2/14/2017 Havingfitz (Naomi) Lowell
1219 2/14/2017 Fro99er ChaosOmega
1263 2/14/2017 Hawk WhemeStar
1263 2/14/2017 Hawk Lowell
1277 2/14/2017 Fro99er ChaosOmega
1277 2/14/2017 Fro99er Lowell
1300 2/14/2017 Terata WhemeStar
1300 2/14/2017 Terata Cooperative Sheep
1320 2/14/2017 Fro99er Lowell
1320 2/14/2017 Fro99er Cooperative Sheep
1322 2/14/2017 Hawk Lowell
1322 2/14/2017 Hawk Cooperative Sheep
1324 2/14/2017 Alisae (Penguin) Cooperative Sheep
1352 2/14/2017 WhemeStar ChaosOmega
1352 2/14/2017 WhemeStar Cooperative Sheep
1354 2/14/2017 I am Innocent (ny/ECM) WhemeStar
1354 2/14/2017 I am Innocent (ny/ECM) Lowell
1360 2/15/2017 Lowell Havingfitz (Naomi)
1360 2/15/2017 Lowell Cooperative Sheep
1420 2/15/2017 ChaosOmega WhemeStar
1420 2/15/2017 ChaosOmega Lowell
1430 2/15/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) Havingfitz (Naomi)
1430 2/15/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) Cooperative Sheep

Day 2
Post Date Player Vote Unvote
1487 2/17/2017 ChaosOmega I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1530 2/17/2017 I am Innocent (ny/ECM) WhemeStar
1536 2/17/2017 Alisae (Penguin) gerryoat
1538 2/17/2017 Fro99er I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1563 2/17/2017 Alisae (Penguin) gerryoat
1563 2/17/2017 Alisae (Penguin) I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1580 2/18/2017 WhemeStar I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1646 2/19/2017 AJ The Epic ChaosOmega
1667 2/21/2017 Lowell I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1670 2/21/2017 Lowell I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1687 2/22/2017 Havingfitz (Naomi) I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1689 2/22/2017 Fro99er I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1708 2/22/2017 WhemeStar I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1708 2/22/2017 WhemeStar ChaosOmega
1714 2/23/2017 Lowell ChaosOmega
1737 2/24/2017 ChaosOmega I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1737 2/24/2017 ChaosOmega WhemeStar
1747 2/24/2017 Alisae (Penguin) I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1751 2/25/2017 Alisae (Penguin) ChaosOmega
1752 2/25/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) ChaosOmega
1754 2/25/2017 Fro99er ChaosOmega

You think that's scum IAI faking it up?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #2141 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:21 am

In post 2138, Unknown1234 wrote:You didn't read what I said if that's your response. I never said EC was town-read I said nobody would believe them.

Ok I missed that, my apologies. Tho I strongly disagree, fake claim is a fake claim, I've played on this site long enough to tell you nearly 100% of the time people go with the fake claim in a non LyLo/MyLo situation.

Unknown1234 · Post Post #2142 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:21 am

You can't act like that is AI. Specific people will put lots of effort into catch ups, but I don't know you at all so I can't say that you wouldn't do this as scum. Without meta that point is invalid.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #2143 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:22 am

In post 2139, Unknown1234 wrote:FYI, you said "try again" implying you think I'm purposely trying to make you look scummy or discredit you. If you thought Terata was scum, what need would you have to say that.

Because as good as I am, I'm not perfect. Could I be wrong on Terata, sure, I've been wrong before. I'm on wrong on him, based on Alisea's 1vs1 and your play on this page, could you be the likeliest #2, probably. So no, I won't take these shots lying down, esp if there is mafia agenda behind it.

Unknown1234 · Post Post #2144 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:23 am

I change my mind way too quickly and jump to conclusions sometimes. Normally I'm confident in my reads but for some reason I'm not confident right now.

Going to look again.

Unknown1234 · Post Post #2145 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:24 am

In post 2141, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 2138, Unknown1234 wrote:You didn't read what I said if that's your response. I never said EC was town-read I said nobody would believe them.
Ok I missed that, my apologies. Tho I strongly disagree, fake claim is a fake claim, I've played on this site long enough to tell you nearly 100% of the time people go with the fake claim in a non LyLo/MyLo situation.

They key part is "this site" because I don't play on this site. Things work differently.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #2146 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:25 am

In post 2142, Unknown1234 wrote:You can't act like that is AI. Specific people will put lots of effort into catch ups, but I don't know you at all so I can't say that you wouldn't do this as scum. Without meta that point is invalid.

Sure I can. Isn't scumhunting AI? Isn't that all about effort? Trying to see if someone is faking it vs. really doing it. I can give you my scum meta, last two games I replaced out because I lurked it out as scum. Not interested, unfortunately I prefer finding scum, hence the effort. If you can't see the effort and thought I was just saving all that for my back pocket to use at said moment, then you have a long way to go (or are scum).

Unknown1234 · Post Post #2147 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:25 am

My issue is that I'm not entirely convinced that Terata is scum, and I know I'm not scum. Right now it looks like two misses already and so I'm very skeptical.

Unknown1234 · Post Post #2148 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:27 am

In post 2146, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 2142, Unknown1234 wrote:You can't act like that is AI. Specific people will put lots of effort into catch ups, but I don't know you at all so I can't say that you wouldn't do this as scum. Without meta that point is invalid.
Sure I can. Isn't scumhunting AI? Isn't that all about effort? Trying to see if someone is faking it vs. really doing it. I can give you my scum meta, last two games I replaced out because I lurked it out as scum. Not interested, unfortunately I prefer finding scum, hence the effort. If you can't see the effort and thought I was just saving all that for my back pocket to use at said moment, then you have a long way to go (or are scum).

This is where I disagree. If what you are saying about your meta is true, then I could believe what you are saying about you leaning more towards Town than scum. However, when I'm scum I tend to put just as much effort in as town, which is why I disagree with you saying effort is AI.

Unknown1234 · Post Post #2149 (ISO) » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:30 am

Two questions, if you think effort is AI, why are you less suspicious of the Havingfitz site, who lurked out and got replaced and the current slot actually hasn't said very much.

(P.S, my slot replaced out because Havingfitz slot did, i wouldn't be pointing out an AI case to you if it was hypocritixal).

Second question,: you must assume I'm Town since Terata is your strongest scum-read. Which also means you think Havingfitz is Town. How can you have confidence in someone who can't find a single townie thing in your town-reads play?