The Fonz wrote:More inclined? Seriously, are you actually on the same planet as me here? She claims to have role info that someone is 100% scum, he flips town and you think that makes her MORE likely to be town?
Yes. More inclined.
The Fonz wrote:And flash wagon? WTF? I'm voting her because this may actually be the biggest no brainer in the history of mafia. Good God, how egregious an act does a player have to come out with in this game to get a wagon going? What the heck is wrong with coming in and getting straight to the point? I mean, later in this post you come in and make out that enigma not voting for or attacking his top suspect straight away is scummy. Here you're making me out to be scummy for voting the obvscum straight away. I don't get it... what do you think the protown thing to do when posting right at the start of the day is?
The way the discussion was going yesterday, it seemed that people (you and LMP come to mind) were already setting this lynch up yesterday if Feysal flipped town. It isn't out of the question that everybody would jump on board immediately on this smargaret wagon. I think there are other things to think about, instead of jumping up and down screaming "LIAR." Yesterday, you said this:
The Fonz wrote:That leaves a couple of possibilities. Mod error, intentional bastardry, one or other didn't read the PM properly, or that Smargaret is lying.
The 'we should trust each other' thing does give me pause, and I'd like an explanation of that, but I'd also like both to request mod clarification here, because something isn't adding up. If Smargaret comes back and says 'Yes the mod has re-iterated that Feysal's rolename is East German' and Feysal comes back and says 'Mod has confirmed my rolename is soviet, not East German' then we have an either/or since the alternative would be directly lying to the players.
But I want to exhaust all other possibilities first.
You wanted to exhaust all possibilities first, right? So what is the hurry now, and how did you eliminate the mod error possibilities or intentional bastardry? Given the fact that the moderator flaked on this game I am just not ready to get out the pitchforks on smargaret yet. The fact that you see the situation just the opposite of how I do, especially with regard to the conflicting statements you made yesterday, sends flags up in my mind.
The Fonz wrote:It's quite possible the scumgroups have different power roles. I mean, we've seen a scum jailkeeper, and generally there isn't more than one of those in a game. I'm sure the mod will have tried to ensure that the scumgroups have basically equal amounts of role power, but that doesn't mean they have to have exactly the same roles.
I'm not suggesting that both the scum groups have the exact same roles; my point is that neighbor doesn't really have a balanced equivalent in terms of equal power. Do you agree or disagree?
Enigma wrote:Day 1 was 50 pages. Normal people start reading from day 1 without the knowledge of two scum teams (even if you are scum). Day 1 made up the bulk of my notes, and I actually read Day 1 more detail than the rest because reading 80 pages isn't fun. So when making my notes and looking at the player list with only one revealed scum, I only read in relation to the two flipped scum. A few days down the track it's still not obvious there are 2 scum teams.. could easily be a vig and a SK, especially with the lack of crosskills... Only this day do we confirm a second scum team.
We established that there was a vig at the beginning of day 2 when the odd night vig flipped. There was equivalent kill flavor on the even night, so yes there is still a vig out there.
Enigma wrote:And there mass minimal discussion on the probability of two scum teams during day 2 so don't bullshit me mate. I have the luxury of having recently read the game, it was bought up and it wasn't a massive discussion only a bit in the first few stages, nor was it in massive agreement.
Even so, there is no way that it should come as any sort of a shock to you that there are two scum teams. And especially so because, as you just said, you just recently read the game. If your objective by telling me that you only recently re-read the game was to get me to suspect you less in any way, you have failed miserably and in fact accomplished the exact opposite.
ThAdmiral wrote:Beasts of the Sea wrote:I'm currently deciding which of The Fonz or Enigma is the best lynch for today.
The Fonz - you willing to help me lynch Enigma today?
Enigma - you willing to help me lynch The Fonz today?
This sounds your just going to go for the lynch that's easiest.
Not at all. I intend to see both lynched and since our job is to lynch scum I want to know if either of them will help me lynch the other. It might also help determine if they are on the same team or not, given their answers and then a flip.
ThAdmiral wrote:btw...
Lowell
Furcolow
BotS
Thad
voting bloc?
Yes. As long as we are voting Enigma or The Fonz I'm in. I would be open to other reads but I'm sold on these two both being scum. The Fonz's most recent "pushing" on Enigma for his inability to vote for his strongest suspects without The Fonz actually voting is sending flags up as likely scumbuddies. The Fonz's argument looks to me to be a justified reason to vote someone.
bvoigt wrote:@PeregrineV: RedCoyote was "poisoned," and someone was "assassinated" on Night 3, when we presumably had no vig shot. So the vig flavor must be "removed from the bunker."
All town night killing actions are "removed from the bunker". As far as I am aware, there is no real reason to think there is an SK in the setup. Also, there would have been many more deaths by now.
Enigma wrote:Also, before I forget I just want to say. First I want to say screw you all for calling me scummy for saying 2 scum teams.
I have a feeling that there may be a third party, looking at the night actions, I'm definitely feeling a 3rd party, I was going to head with vig, but the combinations just don't cut for me. A complementary odd/even night isn't working. And two shot vig is out of the question, and you don't find any 3+ shot above.
So in my little caffeine induced headache, I have decided that one (or even both) scum teams tried to shoot this SK who obviously needs some sort of bulletproof with so many night kills around, so they know who the SK is and probably are hinting to get them lynched.
Something worthwhile to consider a few days down the track.
^^Trying to muddy the waters on flavor and game setup when it is already obvious there are two scum teams, an even night vig, and an odd night vig. The classic 'Look at my right hand moving around while I steal your wallet with my left hand.'
VOTE: Enigma
