DEFCON 6.0 - GAME OVER!

[Bell]

I just killed Gortash and his army of robots during his coronation.
And I got an achievement.


…for not activating any traps before killing him.
The hell. That’s like, slaying a dragon and getting an achievement because you did it while standing on solid earth.

[Bell]

Wait what.

[Bell]

Ah crap.

[Bell]

Abort nuke

[Bell]

Well that’s two down 3 more to go + 1 ep.

This is going amazing.

But oops.

[Bell]

What does this tell me.

[Bell]

Nuke: Marci

This is actually just scum

Are you fuckers shitting me? I get my first game with Marci in probably over a year and you pull this?

There’s only like a 51% chance Marci died from 2 nukes

Can we even use our nukes yet? I’d ask but I’m at work and too busy being a bad employee.

you either didn't read page one of the game or you are intentionally dumb telling

Why would scum!Bell intentionally dumb tell in this situation? If the dumbtell was sincere that wouldn’t imply anything about his alignment, no?

It just emotional
Altho I also don’t get why T3 thinks you’re scum enough to nuke you here

I moderately disliked Marci’s tone around the nukes and her reaction to people using random nukes. It seemed like she was scared scum, perhaps.

What even was my reaction lolol

16 and 18 gave kinda weird and insincere vibes.

U 2 bestie!

While I did scumread you, the nuke was also mainly intended as a reaction test. And you half-failed said reaction test. Your reaction to my nuke felt a little scummy in that you immediately started talking about random stuff and then got more serious a bit after that, which I find scummy. But it’s also not like you freaked out and super scumtelled.

Chell is the slot with the most reflection in their posts so far.

What in particular? I liked Chell’s progression from 131 to 137 but it’s definitely not unfakeable and I’d guess that it’s well within Chell’s scumrange too.

Is chell bad at faking confidence as scum?

Idk who Chell is lol, but they're an alt playing in a large theme, chance are they're an experienced player.

What in particular? I liked Chell’s progression from 131 to 137 but it’s definitely not unfakeable and I’d guess that it’s well within Chell’s scumrange too.

What's good about that progression?

It seemed like genuine scumhunting, especially this early in the game

I feel like scum would really try to shitpost as hard as they possibly can in this game to delay discussion as much as possible so Firebringer shitposting on page 12 when asked a genuine question is weird. First, FB said that he didn't believe that I had a genuine read on Marci. Then when pushed further he said "actually, I'm not scumhunting, let's just joke around and forget anything happened"

T3 and gob are top of my scum list

You scumread me in literally every game lmao

This probably means Andante is town.
But then again I just thought Marci flipped spewed T3 town and, uh.
That did not pan out. /:

Also bussing.

[Bell]

Mmm.
I guess I shouldn’t have aborted there. Rather maybe I should have. It’s best just to think even though I had forever . They slaved their shot to FB, so it doesn’t really count even though they should have hesitated slightly more with increased lethal as a pick.

They can do selective listenig. On the other hand, it puts them in an awkward position and then they asked FB for reciprocation as if they didn’t want to waste it.

[Bell]

Oh, I didn’t actually abort and I have what, 24 more hours to decide.

[Bell]

DOCTOR DREW IS TOWN

Why?

[Bell]

Just fyi, my nuke is still in the air. It’s targeted on Drew. I may abort it after thinking some but I would like to hear more in regards to Drew and what conclusions people draw from T3 flip.

[Bell]

Ceph, ambiguous statements are bad for my heart.

[Bell]

Turns out I did it wrong

[Bell]

Hypothesis could still be wrong. FB, if you didn’t have a read on T3 why did you ask to nuke them?

[Bell]

Turns out I did it wrong

ur telling me ANDANTE managed to format the abort correctly and u failed.
Well ngl this is first time i think ur a bit sus and adding scum points to andante for actually doing the format right

Why? god knows I don’t pay attention to the minutiae of mechanics.

Also, I already said I didn’t abort, but nobody responded so I said it again to be clearer.
You know, the clear communication that town’s supposed to do.

[Bell]

Marci town
Cakez scum ish

It's because Chell is like the towniest player in the game so naturally she must die and half the players sussing her are scum

I think the way t3 went for it, in hindsight even though I severely disagree with everything he said, was town

I'm hesitant to give T3 town but I can understand the why on it
I have a high opinion of T3's scum game

I think people who scumread gob are scummy

i do think bell has a point that drew is more likely to step on peoples toes when he is town rather than when he is scum tbh

I think this was true a few months ago but is no longer a reliable measure of Drew's meta

Who actually trs meuh pls raise ur hand

Why are you asking this question

Nuke: Gamma Emerald

Abort

I think this is on town with a marci-scum flip actually

I'm gonna come back to this in like half an hour and attempt to level up my reads slightly.

Nuke: Gamma Emerald

Abort

I think this is on town with a marci-scum flip actually

I'm gonna come back to this in like half an hour and attempt to level up my reads slightly.

+town for the reevaluation

I don't think Klick actually reevaluated anything - I'm pretty sure I and someone else also said that Gamma is town for the Marci interaction.

I thought a few hours ago that a post Gamma made felt kinda towny

Then I put the kids to bed and had a think while doing other things for the evening

Then I read this and looked at the first few posts of Gamma's ISO and thought she didn't make any sense as marci's partner

Then I made that post

TOWN
Cakez
T3
Roden
Gamma
Ceph

LEANING TOWN
Chell
Andante
Bell
NorwegianboyEE

SCUM ARE IN THIS POOL
2. Ircher
6. UNOwen
7. Andresvmb
10. PenguinPower
11. Firebringer
14. Save the Dragons
15. Doctor Drew
18. Meuh

I need to look more closely at some of the bottom group members, I'm sure they can be sorted further but that's as far as I've got in me right now

I'm here for like 15 minutes if anyone wants to call out my hot takes or talk about their own

PEdit: lmao. I'll leave T3 in the town pile for my own shame

Nuke: Gamma Emerald

Abort

I think this is on town with a marci-scum flip actually

I'm gonna come back to this in like half an hour and attempt to level up my reads slightly.

+town for the reevaluation

I don't think Klick actually reevaluated anything - I'm pretty sure I and someone else also said that Gamma is town for the Marci interaction.

I thought a few hours ago that a post Gamma made felt kinda towny

Then I put the kids to bed and had a think while doing other things for the evening

Then I read this and looked at the first few posts of Gamma's ISO and thought she didn't make any sense as marci's partner

Then I made that post

Fair

At least I know in my heart that I felt this was fishy as hell and can try to carry that feeling over for next time

I guess Drew can go in the town pile

Nuke: Marci

This is actually just scum

It just emotional
Altho I also don’t get why T3 thinks you’re scum enough to nuke you here

I moderately disliked Marci’s tone around the nukes and her reaction to people using random nukes. It seemed like she was scared scum, perhaps.

This is T3 bussing

Chell is the slot with the most reflection in their posts so far.

What in particular? I liked Chell’s progression from 131 to 137 but it’s definitely not unfakeable and I’d guess that it’s well within Chell’s scumrange too.

Is chell bad at faking confidence as scum?

Idk who Chell is lol, but they're an alt playing in a large theme, chance are they're an experienced player.

This is T3 shading a townie

Klick’s a lady I thought.

[Bell]

I really don’t think they’re boxing themselves into anything.

But I don’t think they’re having a particularly bad game. The “I didn’t know T3 is dead and scum” thing is surface consistent given they were trending that way.

But on the other hand, they did talk about being paranoid of them so I’m not sure why they placed so high.

I guess it could’ve been a scum pratfall. To add to the low cunning.

[Bell]

Can someone ban bell the next time he doesn’t use spoiler= on a long post?

I suppose even penguins have pet peeves, but you’re encouraging me here.

[Bell]

Please don’t openly buddy people Fire.

[Bell]

On the other hand regarding klick I absolutely do box myself in, in my own brain narrative.

It’s a weakness. I have no such difficulty as town.

[Bell]

Can’t you just…not give a shit?

[Bell]

Is there an actual rule to use spoiler tags or is this just a penguin crusade?
I follow the rules.
And I guess I can accommodate them just by their request alone, as strange as it is. But I’m not sure why it seems to genuinely bother them.

[Bell]

Sure, I’ll do it going forward.
I’m just trying to get a grip on the game in my own way.

[Bell]

I draw conclusions in the posts below the quote wall or I don’t verbalize it but internally I am. It’s also a means of controlling my attention while sharing where my attention is for town points and an invitation for others to comment on it.

[Bell]

Anyway, *pushes reset button on my defensiveness*

Moving on.

[Bell]

But not Roden?

[Bell]

Rules:

You can choose two upgrades per 7 real life days.

Speed, MMRV, stockpile, lethality.
Speed: cuts the time down from launch to death.
MmRV: allows you to multi target with one nuke at the cost of accuracy.
Stockpile: how many nukes you can hold at once and the number of nukes you generate per week.
Lethality: increases % hit chance.

Scum have day chat.

There is no voting.

You say Nuke X in bold.
You can abort your nuke by quoting your post nuking the player and holding abort nuke.

[Bell]

This is awkward but I must be honest,
I was making fun of your formal entrance into the game by emulating the same style.

[Bell]

You always enter in late to games but I’m not *not* looking forward to playing with you given you’re fine once you get here.

There are 2 dead scum and two dead town so far.

There are 5 scum and 1 third party.

[Bell]

Yes.

[Bell]

Another thing about Chell town is that they haven’t been phased by the flips any.

No awkward comments. No seeming need to process and going quiet or at least seeming any different.

Gameplay equivalent of They’re not stuttering in other words.

[Bell]

I guess it’s counter intuitive?
I thought it was pretty much settled science that the cognitive load for scum is higher than for town. Because there’s more to consider, *because* they know more and have to figure out how to manage additional information.

That said. ambiguity.
I guess it depends on the person.
I’d be pretty quiet rn if I were scum or at least frantically trying to talk to avoid looking like I was disappearing.

[Bell]

i wonder if scum are annoyed at all the failed attempts for nukes on town and successes on scum

As a recent current loser in which I was roundly mocked by the entire town for managing to miss when trying to hit a Mason 3 times.

Yes, yes they are.
It was a skill issue.
I am a storm trooper.

[Bell]

Really want more input on why Drew’s not scum other than scum’d never ever shoot each other.

[Bell]

Sorry, I meant somebody other than the third party that I deeply suspect is trying to even the scales.

[Bell]

… ugh fine.

VOTE: Nuke drew

Abort nuke

I outright missed those comments by T3.

[Bell]

You’re super unfocused this game Meuh.

Why?

[Bell]

Probably cause it's a large

Does that make sense given the flips? Normally you’d focus on what the two dead scum people said, which should help narrow your focus and use your time productively.

[Bell]

Some people have played with some other players in this game for years on and off.

Are there any players here that would be demotivated if they were scum that don’t appear demotivated?

[Bell]

I guess it does say third party and not terrorist so

Maybe ur right

This post alone negates the possibility that Ceph is 3p.

I shall take progress.
Still dunno if Ceph scum.

[Bell]

^ 3P

[Bell]

Eh, I don’t think we have a fantastic grasp on the game. 2 out of 5 is still a long way to go in my opinion. But I also, don’t want to burn down the good vibes because the last time I did that town had found each other and then I found each other.

And I felt bad.

[Bell]

Maybe drew and FB are both 3P and Meuh is also 3P.

I dunno why people are breaking with their meta so hard this game. I want them all to spontaneously combust just so I have answers to these mysteries.

[Bell]

Also, I’ not scum wondering why other people are all seemingly scum while I know they aren’t. My 3p focus is mainly a joke.
Based off deviations. In play.
I want to clarify because I am simply always self-aware and I don’t drink so alas,
Sleep take me.

And yes, Drew could still be 3P, though that’s a little on the nose for someone to literally hide behind another player if they missed.

[Bell]

I also wouldn’t voice the above or the 3P spec at all because I’d be very aware of that.

But since I acknowledged it here it cancels out.

[Bell]

So speakith the survivor mod, survivor of one thousand survivors who could not identify a player as scum who literally models themselves after a survivor champion (Marci).

[Bell]

..man, I’m mean.
Lay off Bell.

[Bell]

A mere year or two years ago, Marci was talking in the discord chat about how they were approaching a survivor game and how they were trying to emulate the first Black survivor champion who won, largely (according to the champion themselves) by pretending to be super personable and kind of ditzy while being highly educated and it being divorced largely from her communication style outside of the game.


…I may be misremembering a huge amount of this information.

[Bell]

Then they tried to incorporate it into their mafia play with some success.

Which makes sense to me because survivor and mafia have a lot in common.

I say this as someone who has never watched a full episode of survivor, let alone a season.

[Bell]

Actually it was probably marrianne oketch, because she’s Canadian and those crazy Canadians like to hang out.

I could have also, made this all up in a fever dream.

It wouldn’t be the first time.
I remember a conversation between LLD and Penguin Alien that never actually happened apparently.
*psyduck*

[Bell]

v is certainly a niche answer for what survivor player you want to model your game after for new contestants but maybe that's because they prefer to pick people who will say parvati

I find the idea of a controversial winner versus oketch just based off my understanding of teenagers,

To almost always end up with oketch being who they were actually talking about.

Oketch was widely liked and admired,
The First Lady was not and thus, not a teenager that someone would model themselves after.

But enough about my utter weirdness.

Other things call my attention.

Like hunting scum and being able to kill scum.

It’s also possible, nay likely that Marci is in the dead thread now or later wondering wtf I’m talking about because, no they did not model their play of mafia off of survivor.

[Bell]

Are we talking about survivor now

No. This was a stupid derail that I genuinely don’t know why I let myself do. *focus bell*

[Bell]

Can I nuke Ircher?

You can’t nuke Ircher because you asked first.

[Bell]

That’s probably just the seismic activity from all the nuclear impacts.

[Bell]

Look guys, Fire is signaling to the mafia that they are 3P and they are definitely not a mafia.

You saying this makes me think you're a 3p trying to signal to the mafia cause I hadn't even had the thought of 3ps trying to signal to the mafia

Are you going to or have you responded to my question about why you appear not to be processing scum flips?

[Bell]

Yes I imagine if I exempt the events in which you had incorrect reads and later learned about it your world view would be a straight line,

In the same way that if I was given a set of numbers and then excluded all of them I wouldn’t have a line at all

[Bell]

So you’re saying because you didn’t have any associations or opinions about what Marci was saying or doing in regards to other players and were stricly only thinking that they seemed townie and didn’t agree or disagree with any of their takes that them flipping didn’t affect you or your reads in the slightest?

[Bell]

And you didn’t retroactively investigate what Marci was saying or doing after they died to form new opinions?

[Bell]

Thinking.
Cutting out dead-end dialogue before dialogue happens.

Which particular shit did you gobble up?

[Bell]

On a scale of 0 to 10 how paranoid should I be that marci asked to be nuked or said she wouldn’t mind being nuked. Because of her paper.

Paranoid in what way? She's fucking dead

Did you ever answer this? I have 0 clue what you were saying here

This isn’t an equivalent exchange or a leveled playing field in terms of questions and answers.

I was asking about whether Marci would have been gung ho about their scum partners bussing/nuking them/gambling on them because they have a paper to complete. The game becomes easier if they dodge all the missiles and one of the scum flip and how much I should be weighing that in regards to the players that nuked Marci.

See: Roden, Drew, Sircakez, who have received town cred largely based on them hitting with a pretty low chance of landing the shot.

[Bell]

Looked for posts of me engaging with it but there were none, guess I've been lurkier than I thought
I think Chell had some posts on it that I liked?

Well, here we are and that’s the problem I have to solve.

[Bell]

Somewhat.

[Bell]

What,
Not everyone speculates about mechanics in their scum PT.

Also, T3 might’ve been going for that “see guys, I don’t have a scum chat, look at how clueless I am”

[Bell]

So you’re just taking T3 at face value that they didn’t know the set up.

The counter argument for scum not really speculating is based on how curious they are and what each player feels about the group they’re in and their own role pm.

Cephrir usually isn’t very proactive in scum PT’s for example. They guide, facilitate, say “that’s fine,” “maybe kill this guy, maybe kill that guy instead”

But they’re not entering a scum PT looking to lead their football team to victory single handedly.

[Bell]

Not everyone speculates about mechanics in their scum PT.

That's not speculation of mechanics - that's ensuring your team knows basic functions of the game.

I did not use the right word for the job, yeah.

[Bell]

The rule of three Ircher, really?
A pox on your great great grand children.

[Bell]

Already cursed.

[Bell]

Which means I am putting very little confidence in my accuracy here.

Are you accurate when you’re confident that you’re accurate?

[Bell]

Which means I am putting very little confidence in my accuracy here.

Are you accurate when you’re confident that you’re accurate?

Not necessarily.

I think you misinterpreted me here.
What did you think I was asking? Or did you think I was making a rhetorical point?

[Bell]

Nope. Cancel this line of questioning. It’s bad.

*hits cancel button*

[Bell]

I'm town btw

Noted.

[Bell]

Who scum Meuh

[Bell]

I’ve been asking for that since beginning of game

Nothing is free.

[Bell]

Someone really does need to explain this townie FB tho. FB isn’t explaining why they’re playing so conventionally. Even after repeated indirect request.

[Bell]

also idk what it is, but I don't think fire is town here

Why
He reads town like everywhere to me

That’s just it tho. That’s not normal for him.

[Bell]

Irchers tone is scum who is close to giving up

Details of your tone analysis please.

[Bell]

Irchers tone is scum who is close to giving up

Details of your tone analysis please.

he literally said he isn't going to read to catch up to get comfort over his reads.
he is either defeated scum right now or lazy town.

Can you please explain why you’re so different this game compared to all the other games you’ve played?

[Bell]

Cool.
Hopefully that lands.

I’m guessing that Ircher/andres/Meuh/Unowen
Are going to get cluster bombed on restock.

[Bell]

To note, I am not ardently town reading any of those players. I feel like I should be on meuh/unowen. But that would be dumb.

[Bell]

I’m also not town reading Norwe.

[Bell]

I’m also not town reading Norwe.

I don't trust u either for this shading.

*sits forward in chair*
Tell me more about why you think I’m scum?

[Bell]

also idk what it is, but I don't think fire is town here

Why
He reads town like everywhere to me

That’s just it tho. That’s not normal for him.

Is there evidence that this is scummy for him

Nope, just a deviation they’re not explaining.
At all. For some reason.

Hence my pet hypothesis of 3P.
Which is likely to be wrong.

[Bell]

I’m also not town reading Norwe.

I don't trust u either for this shading.

*sits forward in chair*
Tell me more about why you think I’m scum?

Contrapoint.
Why are you a slot that should be townread?

You've talked a lot about wanting to be townread.
Your only action has been to target a slot that killed a mafia and then retracting that shot.

Guaranteed mafia? No, but someone i'd trust at this point? Nope.

Wait so, are you scum reading me because I Shaded you or are you scum reading me because I launched and then aborted a missile at someone that blew up scum?

[Bell]

I feel like I should be on meuh/unowen. But that would be dumb.

What’s the dealio here?

My sticking point for Meuh is that they’ve matter of fact said they’re town a lot. Which makes me hesitate even though their progression is poor and they’re being mercurial asf.

For you, it’s just because you’re town reading me and you feel kind of like you always do. I think I’ve played with you 3 times and you were always town. But you’re not quite as townie in this game as you were in those even though I remember you not appearing super town to other people. I think it’s mostly the first part.

Neither of those are good reasons to town read you two, they’re not even good reasons to second guess myself.

[Bell]

Is me town reading you the reason you feel you should be town reading me or the reason it would be dumb to?

I assume with the Meuh it’s her saying she’s town a lot which makes you doubt she’s scum.

The first one, it’s just that plus giving you space has always been rewarded when done. So minor habit formation.

[Bell]

Someone really does need to explain this townie FB tho. FB isn’t explaining why they’re playing so conventionally. Even after repeated indirect request.

Like this is just so strange to call my play here.
First off, I have literally been asking for nukes on myself. Claiming scum, and giving out straight advice to scum in this game thread.

What part of convential am i doing here to Bell. Like giving a reason or read or two? That isn't out of ordinary for me to do in any game.

There’s a difference between joke open wolfing and scummy behavior. You say shoot me, I’m scum, but then you direct someone to blow up T3 which says don’t shoot me, I’m town.

In previous games your trolling and general unhelpfulness was murkier and more frustrating to play with. It just feels lighter here, like window dressing. You also seem more active here than I’m used to seeing.

[Bell]

I’m not saying FB never solves or plays to their win condition, but they seemed more willing to let players stew in their exasperation with him for a few days before throwing them a bone, and often that bone was thrown with faux reluctance.

[Bell]

I don’t particularly remember FB being a hyper poster no. Usually they’re middle of the road in activity.

I want to stress this, I actually do think they’re more likely town than not. I’m just bringing up anything that stands out to me.

[Bell]

Sure.

[Bell]

Oh, I’m not disbelieving you. You know your own activity way better than I do.

Pedit: yeah that makes sense to me, Roden.

[Bell]

Yeah, I’m okay with bombing everybody else not on that list and then having them bomb each other at the same time sans Roden who bombs the players that were missed.

Uh, not sure if andante can actually stick to that sort of plan tho.

[Bell]

Eh. I’m more focused on bombing the difficult to read ones next phase than that strategy for now. It’s in the future.

[Bell]

Imo, I think Andres should be nuked.

[Bell]

I'm bored

If we can get 6-7 communal townreads we win the game
I think there are at least that many obvtown at this point

Hero shots are actively antitown at this point

This will make the game even more boring.

Short term relief for long term problems.
Is there some reason you really want to get nuked this game Ircher?

[Bell]

Both town you and scum you knows that failing to catch up here and choosing to make a nothing comment is going to result in you being a pile of ash.

I know it’s partially play style/or natural deviation.

But still.

[Bell]

Unforgivable.

[Bell]

Would prefer hero plan to hero shot.

[Bell]

Would prefer hero plan to hero shot.

Wut

I’d rather trap the scum in an unwinnable situation than have a hero shot that may or may not land and may or may not be on scum.

[Bell]

If the plan was flawed and you didn’t communicate with people beforehand they’re going to think you’re anti town and kill ya.
That was an *anti-hero* shot

The current plan by Klick is not solid, but I can’t or rather I haven’t invested the time in to plug the holes beyond “force everyone else to invest in MMRV and supply, with a side of lethality” “make Bell the player that shoots everyone else”
“Scum claim until 10/10 upgrades on supply, speed, and lethality for me if anyone fires anything at anyone”

[Bell]

fucking deepwolves

As mentioned, please place ambiguous statements into the box so I can’t see them.

[Bell]

Shocking.

[Bell]

Also fuck yeah.

[Bell]

Also, why do all the scum have a position on me.
It’s like they want me to die.

[Bell]

It’s a safe shot because
-1: you’re not doing anything so it’s hard to criticize: see, general player response ambivalent.
2. Nobody is scum reading you, and they’re arguing that math is hero.
3. Wifom/and or you’re scum. More clear.
4. Pretty realistic response tho.

[Bell]

Not enough associations off that one.
Unlike the last two.

[Bell]

I don't really think Meuh is that scummy anymore fwiw
I am getting the opposite of demotivated and it has happened as the game has progressed

I don’t really see this.
They’re enjoying dancing out of the way of all the nukes but they aren’t solving off the flips.
Just acting amused that they’re dodging.
It’s appreciated they keep trying to kill Ircher tho.

[Bell]

I will nuke FB, but only after the last scum has been bombed.

[Bell]

No, this is unusual. I think if there were 2 leaderish types of scum the game would've looked very different.

[Bell]

But they can still win.
So can 3P.

[Bell]

I think they probably just lacked initiative or good ideas.
It would probably have been easier to convince other players to nuke town with humor/memes/whatever you need to get a band wagon going,
then defend T3, Marci, and Andres. Most players aren't going to put themselves underwater trying to defend them.
They can be leaders but they're missing initiative or miscalculated with player responses.
Or there's a schedule issue.
Dunno.

[Bell]

Herding cats isn't leadership.

[Bell]

Sure.
We're clearly winning. If the 3P is a survivor and listening:
please claim. I'm happy to win with you.

[Bell]

This offer expires in the next 48 hours.

[Bell]

It's mountainous,
we know exactly what they're capable of and when we would not be able to work with them.
Scum can't nuke them without claiming scum if an agreement is made.

[Bell]

The 3P presumably knows this too. They're also safer now than later when the lethality requirement increases and their chances of dying increase as well by a spite shot from the scum.
Otherwise they can pray that they don't get nuked all the way to the finish line.
Scum's only advantage or hold over them is removed if they claim early, but only in this particular context here a 1 for 1 trade with a risk of missing is an extraordinarily bad move.

[Bell]

I will just nuke the 3P if they claim 3P if they don't do it in the next 48.
As one of them paranoid types.
But I do keep my bargains.
It sounds mostly reasonable to me.
I of course know that there are probably flaws to it. But on the surface. It would make sense to just do that with a time table attached.
You can probably hit the correct math where there is an optimal time to claim where the town are willing to negotiate. I don't think now is a bad time.
I'd claim if I were 3P here as a survivor.

But that's mostly because I love being town and being honorary town as a 3P has largely been how I played 3P (This goes about as well as you'd think).

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If they're not exactly a survivor though, the idea goes up in smoke because town can figure out where and when they would need to kill them to ensure they couldn't win.
But a survivor probably has better odds of just siding with the town now and the earlier the better.


I think.
I'm not good at this.

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I was in the last game and this game is very different in terms of set up and mechanics.
In terms of balance, no idea.

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How does it disadvantage town if the 3P claims. I don't really think the risk is that high that they get lol nuked as long as it's made understood beforehand that it wouldn't be okay for someone to lol nuke them.

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It sort of dismisses the idea that we can coordinate or communicate because the lolz.
But besides Ircher who is going to die in the next say, 50 hours.
I don't see any other players nuking for the lolz as a serious move.

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Even Andante can be reasoned with.
I know this because one time I managed to do it.
It felt good though, I'm not sure exactly if they had any actual idea how it helped afterward.

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Aw.

RIP Sircakez.

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gamma shot up a lot in my Town reads after some review.
I know it’s late, but let it not be said I didn’t say anything.

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I’m going to wait to see what happens to Drew before nuking Ircher.

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I’m going to wait to see what happens to Drew before nuking Ircher.

Drew is dying.

I’m not wasting a nuke if they flip maf. Odds are low. But there’s no reason not to wait.

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so if I nuke gamma and gamma flips scum or 3p, what happens?

You receive one pat on the head.

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yes i have played this game like a survivor or serial killer or whatever

You have? In what way?

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he's literally outing and nuking the towniest slot because he's about to die this is not brain surgery

can just nuke him one after the other. No reason to waste perfectly good nukes By bombarding them all at once.

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Congratulations FB. You did it!

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Oh you fuckers,

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Sorry for the language!

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Whelp.
This has been an extremely embarrassing game for the scum team.
I cringe out of empathy.

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My dream is that FB is the last scum and this bomb lands.

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It only seems fair to quote from a movie of questionable quality for a questionable strategy: “Whenever you gamble, my friend, eventually you’ll lose”

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Replace eventually with immediately and that they played against the house and when they rolled the dice and it landed on snake eyes and then a nuke landed on them.

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You’re witnessing the myth of the ouroboros for a modern age.

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Also, am I clear yet or am I still maybe scum/3p.

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I am.
Have you seen my role PM?
It’s green.
But not administrator green.

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I promise you, if I were mafia, I would not be nuking my teammate and making myself the last one standing.

Why,
I know this is going to be dumb and used against me later for no purpose.
But genuinely your presentation this whole game indicates that strategy to improve win con is not foremost on your mind, nor’s winning.

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Drew and Ircher chatting in the Scum PT about how they've lost anyway so they might as well try the nuts gambit is absolutely a conversation that would happen
It would be Drew's style specifically

Sunk cost fallacy is not something they’re silly enough to do, surely. They’re educated adults. I won’t call you surely.
Is what I’d say if that wasn’t exactly what happened.

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Your posting motivation is trying to reduce the number of nukes landing on you

Bit late for that motivation to show.

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You can choose to make up facts to fit your opinion, or you can choose to make up opinions that fit the facts. Most of you are currently doing the former.

I love making up facts to fit my opinion. *psyduck*
You know you can’t make up facts right, 98% of respondents think I’m cool. Isn’t a fact, it’s a lie dressed up as a fact.

Hell, your sudden interest in defending yourself after showing utter and absolute apathy the whole game toward suspicion *and* nuclear missiles coming your way was your shtick until 5 minutes ago.

Also, I’m tired of scum saying it can’t be me because I was nuked by or I nuked scum.

Statistically you’re likely town but this scum team is just extraordinary.

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Lethality - production - D1.
Lethality - speed- D2.

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Are you fucking kidding me.

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Well, this explains why they may have been salty.

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Watch us lose. Just watch.

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I’m out of scum reads btw.

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Maybe.
It’s odd in the concerted effort but a PSA seems reasonable.
Ish. If you’re negotiating with someone who appears to be self-destructive.
Let’s just make sure they don’t make it to end game.

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Roden isn’t scum, I think.

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2 more lol.

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Good for him.

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Not Owen, I think.
Please note, I'm only modestly confident.
Just in reaction and response to some scum posts don't feel right for buddies.

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I'm just considering who to shoot rn, because I can.

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No particular order.

1. Not Gamma.
2. Not Andante.
3. Not me.
4. Not Roden.
5. probably not Owen.

Leaves.
1. Ceph.
2. Chell.
3. Klick.
4. Penguin.
5. Norwe.
6. STD.
7. Meuh.

If anyone would like to argue why, specifically, they're absolved from being scum because of something or particular things they did in game. I encourage you to share.

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Yes…because I also nuked my scumbuddy.

Bottom rung my ass.

Noted.

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I’ve updated my list.
Top rung. Me.
Penguin rung: penguin.
Bottom rung. Everyone else.

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Andre’s play was totally indefensible.
So no.
You don’t get a pass for being the first to do it.

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Game time. Can talk about why you’re mad about this post game. If you’re town if you want.

But I keep my hard hat on when I play mafia. apologies, it’s for my protection.

Obviously, game will likely be over before you get nuked anyway.

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Who would your 12th choice be?

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The public has a right to know!

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I can’t see that, I can’t even see if Ceph is my buddy or enemy this game, even though I really should know by now.

I say as if this game hasn’t almost wrapped up in less than a week and therefore, no, I shouldn’t actually have them pegged yet.

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What a week though.

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I reviewed a bit more and I lean *slightly* more toward town cephrir than scum cephrir.

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Klick reviewed.
I feel very mixed on them. But I think they actually moved down slightly.
Their attitude is right, but their posts and direction feel kind of uncanny valley off. it might just be a writing or grammar thing though. I'm not very familiar with klick.
Their towniest posts were game plan type plays and one in which they said they felt cleared based off interactions but acknowledged they were biased. I don't really see their clipped responses as being anti-associative.
The best I can say is that they don't point toward partners, but they certainly don't point away from it.

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The only reasoning I can really see klick thinking they're cleared is if they think, specifically, that they'd either have more accurate reads if they were scum to cover themselves, acknowledging their limited influence in the game or if they would have interacted more with their partners in game in some capacity, either through a different approach such as shading them or writing longer, more meandering posts on them before failing to reach a conclusion or writing longer involved posts in which they strongly argued for town them.

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Partial review:
Chell went up slightly as town.
STD went up moderately as town.

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Drew had more associations than I thought.
I think the game is solvable if Marci+T3+Drew are reviewed by someone who is actually good at mafia.
Or at least, able to narrow it to about 3 players.

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Well, I’m certainly not against it. I haven’t got around to reviewing Norwe, but yes their engagement is pretty in line with how well scum has done. But RL coincidence could explain it just as well.

Norwe seems grumpy this game.

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Looked it over.
Can be wrong.
Not much harm if I am tho.

Nuke NorwegianBoy

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*ahem*

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See you in 24.

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Will Owen and Meuh survive another volley?
Inquiring minds want to know!

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Rip Meuh! Keep dancing.

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You fired it before they died so I guess it flops into the ocean.

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That sure was a combination of words Owen.
I don’t mean it as a criticism, but as an open question.

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Huh. Well.
Okay then.

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You lack leverage.
it pretty much doesn't matter if I die.
I'll just keep saying that you should be nuked until you're dead.
And then, you know, down the list if you're town.

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Yeah Meuh is pretty scummy, I agree.

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Nice.
*stares out into the distance*
What a send off.

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Why not. I'm mostly upset you didn't send a nuke FB's way.
It's all he ever wanted.

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For now it’s a waiting game but I’ll be reviewing again once the obvious answers are removed. If the game keeps going.

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As we wait

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Y tho.
As town or scum all you have to do is sit around.

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Well, maybe they couldn’t meet time obligations.

Apologies. I should not have speculated.

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Ah.
Thanks.

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Hi maybe Titus scum.
How do?

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Always?

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Well, it shall be a pleasure to send you to the moon.
Just get on the rocket.Please excuse the radioactive isotopes.

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You need to go door to door with cupcakes in hand. They’re all silo’d.

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The last defcon I was in I recall it being pretty intense.
Besides Pooky, who was also very intense.
But with patriotic fervor. It was kind of funny.

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But yeah, Titus. I’m just gunna nuke you when the timer comes back up. You replaced in too late to salvage Norwe’s slot.
Even if everyone misses the second I’m allowed to reload the next time I’ll do the same thing.

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did someone not say yes to fast week?

I said yes. I’m okay with asking and having everyone answer this question because I don’t want to sit through 3-5 days again and would like to speak with them about that

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It resolved, miss.

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We'll see. If it goes on tomorrow, then I'll try.

You’ll have 24 hours lol.

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Nuke Titus