Micro 1089: the coalition, again [game over]

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its crazy that anyone thinks I am scum this game I'm actually kind of annoyed with myself with how far outside my scum range I've let myself get and now have to incorporate to some degree into my scum game.

i think you're town

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i think skitter's town

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but he only barely ever voted for a coalition that would have him lose!

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i dont know why people say that sheep cant be scum with people in the car. the only coalition he ever vote for that didnt have either himself or both brass and fire was one that he voted for only three minutes.

Assuming by "the car" you mean the people not in the coalition I explained why in some detail. Because it requires him to be pushing aggressively for the day to end with a coalition that he knows kills him. He was not pushing any specific option, he just wanted a coalition for the day to end. In order for him to be scum with someone not in the coalition it would require him to be sitting on the sidelines, taking no actions to not die, while screaming "kill us kill us kill us kill us" over and over again at the top of his lungs.

If you really think that's the scum teams plan to not lose the game I don't know what to tell you.

Hm ok VOTE: tris

no!!!!!!!!!!!!

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whats the vote count at

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going off of votes, it is as i said in my post. now maybe theres more to be said about his words he was saying

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gimme a sec. i wanna look at the past

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sheep and brass looks very possible to me

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otoh tris is pure and innocen

true

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sheep and brass looks very possible to me

like idk. does sheep have the power to force himself into the coal rather than juts trying tk look towny so people will let him in?

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I mean you can go back and reread that part of the game yourself. Does sheep really seem to you like he's acting like he needs to get either himself or someone else on the coalition or he loses?

I do not see it. Never in a million years.

what does acting like that look like.

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VOTE: aristea

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VOTE: skitter

but skitter says im town and therfore must be my friend

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why aristeia?

because skitter you and sheep are probably town. and im also probably town.

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because skitter doesnt want to vote me and aristea does. im only half joking. i vividly believe skitter's refusal to scumread me

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HEAL: skitter, hellbooks, shea, tris, sheep

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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/gba/56043 ... faqs/60496 provides the source for my signature btw. It probably doesn't have many hits because it provides the dialogue for FFTA for GBA and the use case of wanting to read the script of the GBA game you like, but not by playing it, is narrow.

I must somehow have more hits and relevance than the game since if i copy paste a different quote from the dialogue the gamefaqs comes up so it is getting crawled.

i think i was able to find this by searching once

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tris do you have any reads this game that aren't reciprocating a townread or townreading someone who feels familiar

shea town

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sheep town

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my sogniture is also the truth

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ari fire team

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I'm scum

that must be nice

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yeah exactly

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town town town town town town town town.
was that enough

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Here's what I'll do:

1. drink a lightly caffeinated beverage.
2. get on a train.
3. the train gets delayed.
4. read iso's on my phone while eating the free snacks they give me as the train heads out into the night time. except i'm gonna need a much longer train ride this time.

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this is my way of trying to relive micro 1078

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have we considered the fact that vp baltar is scum?

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Can you solve skitter 4 me

i can put that first on my iso-ing queue

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can we get a nightphase where nothing happens for a sec

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I think it is difficult for him to be scum but you can sell me on it

look at that avatar though. it's red. and is vp baltar who is always scum.

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and skitter is town because she's always the same alignment as me excepting third parties

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Survivor is a fun game because I always get to be scum.

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I'm still in the state of automatically agreeing with the most recent post so im not reading any of these posts because it would just lead to me confbiasing my already present read.

thats me always

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HEAL: isis

hellbooks i promsie not to misread u this time

"And in order to achieve this i will refrain from reading your posts at all" (sorry) (joke)

hey i read that post earlier when i barely started to read her iso

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i just like. don't think skitter is scum

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i wanted to hold on to my aristea town read because it was like the one original thought i had in the game, but its not actually enough

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oh sheep is voting ari

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oh hi. i forgot to go vla before i lost cell service

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i guess everyone townreads ari?

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im back to townreading fire, and wish i hadnt wavered

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what was the reason you had for it in the first place?

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i feel like isis has never really been trying to the into the coalition

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im talking about isis. ur statement made me think of isis fitting what you described more than ari

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oh so your like saying ari and isis act in different ways as scum wrt getting into the coal?

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i just wasnt sure ari hasnt tried to get into the coal and then seperately, i was observing that isis hasnt really.

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Paranoid skitter is benefitting from the lull in the game when she's consensus scum and triskitter is cornered. But if it's triskitter exactly we would get the comeback

I bus her and coast on the cred like six thousand years ago if i'm scum with tris

but what if she was like "hey... can you plz defend me... " in the pt

i would never

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also it doesnt matter, im not scum

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so the question for me is a white knighting one

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which. idk. this doesnt seem like thats whats skitters doing.

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like it feels like if shes scum, shes putting her energy towards poketting me of all people. why

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Tris how do u feel abt voting sheel

if u insist

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VOTE: sheep

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i wanted to just sheep you a while ago. but i wanted to try being a strong independent woman for a bit.

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she thought you were going to flip and was trying to get credit for being right on you.

but she was hedging in a way that weakens the towncredit she could get.

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i have the power

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like if skitter is mafia she all but told you that tris is not mafia because she thinks its bad play to not bus in that scenario

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clearly i am not not mafia because i havent hammered yet

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which means im mafia, but im mafia with skitter so i dont want to hammer her

pedit: cont. from my previous post

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im frozen

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VOTE: skitter

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you are?

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i cheated in this game by peaking at skitter's role pm

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i should havr waited to see what other people do i guess?

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What if small creature aggro is my worst matchup tho

I think you'd just tell your opponent regardless of the match outcome/odds because you care more about playing honestly than winning the game.

thats true

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whee

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yeah :33

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isis, why did you kill shea?

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i can try

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@fireis: you townread hellbooks just because?

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I don't think a hellbooks/skitter team would have hellbooks point her laservoter at skitter forever unless skitter told her to and I don't think skitter would tell her to because she never felt like she had enough time to thread presence enough to avoid being chopped d1.

true

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I kind of think she was telling the truth about just bussing Tris 5 days ago if she were like partner'd with Tris though. Sitting on her hands why tris!partner goes to 4 votes is p ??

i would let her do that for sure

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I don't even remember who voted skitter

i did. and i should get all the credit even though i was saying she was town all day

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can we form a 4 player coalition now?

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VOTE: brassherald

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if i get wagoned, let me make the hammer so that i will have hammered both scum

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i kinda think its fire but i havent actually reread anything because I am lazy.

sorry fire i promise i will try to be more open minded and less confbiased.

my poe is {fire, sheep, brass}

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I thought you scumread me

you're a mason

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I kind of think she was telling the truth about just bussing Tris 5 days ago if she were like partner'd with Tris though. Sitting on her hands why tris!partner goes to 4 votes is p ??

idk i think if i am hard townreading my scum partner and everyone else is and then suddenly a bunch of people suspect them my first thought isn't to go "oh haha you guys are so right my bad ill vote there too"

i think you probably either do what skitter did which is try to look as stubbornly town and uninformed as possible or you hard push out someone else (sheep) but that probably doesn't win you endgame

ok but she wasnt hardpushing sheep when tris was getting shoved. she was just sitting on her vote not using it

yes i know, i gave two possibilities of what she could do. hard pushing sheep was the second one

if she hard pushes sheep she yeets a townie but what happens next? one of her or tris is going to get flipped and when they do she's just tied them together pretty strongly

my point is that if she had gone in townreading tris i don't think she had a lot of good options once people turned on tris, and made the best with what she had, to make people think she was white knighting

solid theory tbh

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tbh if she's not partnered with sheep or tris i don't see a lot of reason for her not to push sheep harder so maybe that should just be the poe and i forget about brassherald

idk. why didnt she do that if im scum

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rawr

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who should i kill tonite

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everytime i think about trying to think about this game, i see how big the thread is and then i do something else instead

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i wanr to interact with people, but how can i if i have no idea whats happened this gamd

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isis and ari are masons. hellbooks, im sticking with that townread, but why was that again? i guess the fact that hellbooks smacked a vote on skitter forever. but i gavent even reviewed the context for that.

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it would be nice if others could townread me like they did before

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the problem with when i dont make much effort is that im so easily influenced by whichever post i last read,

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oh i said that two games ago and then skygazer made a joke about it

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look at me im saying absolutely worthless posts. goodnight

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what section of the game would be most worth re reading

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fire is making sense to me

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sheepsaysmeep

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for sheep to be mafia, skitter would have been bussing. not an impossible concept. what motive would she have for it? maybe she wanted scate by on the towncred. the problem with that is the concept that sheep can only be scum with someone in the coal. so, after turning that on shea, what happens next? does she turn on me who she didnt actually townread much. but then the only one left is ari. ari seems like a hard towny to get the lim through on. maybe thats why she was putting the idea out there that sheep could be scum with brass. she probably might have been able to get me to side with her on that at least.

also, she may have expected sheep not to go through and for the lim to end up on me anyway. its not like she really did that great a job defending me.

skitter probably has to reckon with sheep getting limmed eventually anyway. why not do it now, and get the credit.

ok, that all describes how skitter could be scum with sheep, but is that world more believable than other worlds?

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yay. i feel more clear headed today

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i've tried that before i think

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b

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what is being bought

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maybe she was trying to present herself as caring about getting the coal right and being a town who doesn't know things and is unsure about the 5th slot.

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i dont actually remember exactly how it all came together on sheep

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i will look at things first but might vote sheep : )

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happy birthday aristeia!

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If skitter was still alive shed probably be like "hm im getting some real scum ping from sheep"

if skitter was still alive, she would be town

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ahhhhhhhhh i don't know who the fifth should be

im geting townpings from this

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i guess skitter pushed back a lot on the coalition with brass

Ari voting my coalition for show and then unvoting it makes me extremely happy.

Pedit play with feet.

HEAL: brass, shea, fire, skitter, tris

e-1

I'm really, really not sure that this wins this ...

I'm .... really skeptical of this
I don't know why this coalition is a thinf

I don't know why brass is voting it

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ahhhhhhhhh i don't know who the fifth should be

im geting townpings from this

I'm like frustrated you posted this

D:

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i was trying to joke about how i might townread that if i didn't know her real alignment which also ties back to the previous concept that in the world where we didn't lim her, skitter would be town.

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also i wanted to use the word ping

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fire are u pocketing me

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i actually dont think you are. that is a joke. i think you say this regardless

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oh oops

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i guess skitter pushed back a lot on the coalition with brass

Ari voting my coalition for show and then unvoting it makes me extremely happy.

Pedit play with feet.

HEAL: brass, shea, fire, skitter, tris

e-1

I'm really, really not sure that this wins this ...

I'm .... really skeptical of this
I don't know why this coalition is a thinf

I don't know why brass is voting it

Those aren't about the same coalition.

thats right you were voting for one that didnt have you in it

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oh oops

this was to brass

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skitter pushed back on BOTH coals that didnt have sheep in spot 5

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can i be threadspewed again

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remember when everyone townread me : C

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yes

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i dont think its sheep actually

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no wait hold on

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ok i do think its sheep

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wow im so towny i can change my mind

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VOTE: sheep

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yes

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oh

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that was hammer

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im sorry. i didnt think that would happen

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you just believed me that it was a hammer?

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because i like fake hammers

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i did vote because i think sheep is scum, so we can pretend i did actually hammer

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How was yours a fake hammer?

because it wasnt a hammer

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woops, i mean it was. i was the one who hammered here and gets all the credit/blame

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oh... lmao

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ahahaha

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that will be so cool if ive hammered both scum

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disrupting skitter's mate in 7 by accidentally hammering.

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you can't give her two because it says you can only attach one tool

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ok, i wont tell anyone

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meow meow meow meow

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im sorrrryyy,,,

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hey look, the three people most likely to be voted out have just posted

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that would be cool

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i hope its me and i win

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i had a dream during the night where i was mafia in a mafia geoguessr hybrid game. and hellbooks was suspecting me, and i was afraid she was going to expose me.

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i also had a dream where i was going to get married with a guy i didn't actually like. isis was in that one, and was concerned about this. no mafia in that dream tho

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i dont think she was doing a very good job of making a case for me as town.

and, i don't think her behavior is at all inconsistent with partner in the fun car

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Occam's razor explains skitter's behavior as panic that a partner tris is going down. The other explanation is she wanted to do the s1ckest bus but we checked that and checked it first and sheep probly shouldn't have been first it's just that scum wanted to vote for sheep and

tris is cute

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I dismiss the explanation skitter tried to setup a partner and die by implicating townies cause I think she usually tries to carry.

I dismiss the explanation she drew jester.

Tris is playing fine but this associative reeks

isis definitely trying to pocket me

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oh wow

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HEAL: tris, sheep, shea, aristeia, isis

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i dont think she was doing a very good job of making a case for me as town.

and, i don't think her behavior is at all inconsistent with partner in the fun car

Thanks for your unbiased opinion, what with the gamestate being fun car+tris lol

do you think she doesn't do what she does is fire or brassbulge is her partner?

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HEAL: tris, sheep, shea, aristeia, isis

This wins if you're town, did you vote it day1?

skitter fooled me

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i dont think she was doing a very good job of making a case for me as town.

and, i don't think her behavior is at all inconsistent with partner in the fun car

Thanks for your unbiased opinion, what with the gamestate being fun car+tris lol

do you think she doesn't do what she does is fire or brassbulge is her partner?

Brass makes her day 2 play way too strange. She only needs to protect her slot in that scenario. She played to seize game control.

Fire.. that can make some sense but that theory is not occamming the razor as strongly. fire is my second favorite scumpick altho maybe I should be re evalling the game. I feel like she's the most individually scummy.
I've sometimes said shes townposting but she has like so much more content in total than hellbooks and brassherald and also maybe I'm hella confbiased

A tris elim doesn't raise as many confbias concerns so that'd nice. Then maybe some will nk my confbias into the dead pt

i don't understand the appeal to occam's razor here. why do the others require more complicated explanation

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goodmorning

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Her play day 2 was guaranteed to significantly change the trajectory of day 2 and it did. I think she may have wanted to try for Shea and miss and land leading a different miss but she was definitely trying to be in a position where she was a leading vote on a wagon instead of offwagon while tris died
Idk what game you played

i remember her push there being kind of from the sidelines

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i dont think she was trying to get killed

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Can you just be like "I'm never going to like this from fmpov but I understand this makes sense as a level 1 read" and case someone else tris I'm not gonna convince you you're scum

i just wanna defend myself . cause i know im not scum, so i know your argument must be wrong,

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Is your argument she pushed sheas slot from the sidelines

hm? whatever she was doing. it didnt seem super forceful. more like she was grumbling off to the side

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i can of course tryy to make cases on whoever i think is worthy of making cases on. i was just engaging with the words in front of me at the moment,

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i dont think your mafia!

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im hoping i can convince u im town

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thank you

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I do not think tris accidentally hammering is townie. I don't think tris takes careful account of vote counts when she draws scum. Most players do but it's just not her.

I think she's scummier since she voted a town etc

well, i knew HOW many votes therw were, but i forgot what the lim threshhold was >_<

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I feel like for today Isis may be the right choice. Either it's the last Mafia slot or it makes Elo tomorrow much easier because the slot seems basically unreadable.

??????

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I have conflicting thoughts. I've mostly been putting her in town because she has openly claimed Mafia and what Mafia does that? But also now that I'm thinking of it, is that just a genius level mafia play if it works?

i'm mafia

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brassherald. what is your read on hellbooks and why is she more readable than isis?

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meow

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tris whether you are scum in this game or not that avatar is a decepticon

it never said it wasn't moving!!

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what does it mean that i quoted the second one

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4041 to 4047 doesn't make that much sense as a string of posts that would have a final conclusion of a post on brass, since for a second you thought he was towny

are you kinda working through him attacking my slot and deciding if he's too bad at picking artillery targets to be mafia, or too mafia to hear the high pitched music of Isis threadspew obvtownness, and landing on the latter?

I have to add a lot of content that isn't there to make up guesses at why you're voting but i think the game is slow enough that like probably net benefit to the game for me to post like a goober

ive been thinking about does it make sense for brassherald to go after you as scum. and i have come up with a resounding idk

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brassherald's posts make no sense to me, but is that scummy?

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i dont even know what braid is

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yeah

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on the other hand i think maybe this is the product of having to make shit up, but like, couldnt he just go after me or something? wouldnt that be easier? but maybe also he's counting on this perception, aaaaaaah

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its moonlight sonata btw

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deathrowkitty submitted it to my avatar bracket and it won

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tris, isis, and fireisredsir all have an is or 2

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also datisi

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also georgebaisey

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Spoiler: i have the one only lesbians have access to, but it actually looks really pretty on it

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i remember there being a lot of discussion around her

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VOTE: brassherald
what does this do to your sunk cost falacy.
e-1 btw, i know how to count now

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yeah

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me too

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i should aswell

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ive barely done any of the things ive said i should do

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VOTE: unvote

i dont feel comfortable leaving my vote here for what was a silly reason

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i also kinda thought once i saw sheeps flip that y'all would just turn back and want to yeet me and i was kinds okay with that but now it seems like nobody really wants to so im left here like oh okay i guess i have to actually figure out who is scum now instead of letting you all deal with it in elo

no thats me. i had the same thought

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VOTE: brassherald

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no!

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right?

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i unvoted then revoted

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yeah, no one else voted inbetween

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You should hammer me bc I'm mafia

id have to go through hellbooks it seems

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Do you ever feel like skitter was so townie d1 that maybe Datisi flipped her wrong

didnt i say somthing like that.

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didnt you hate my joke about that

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Susan

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which ever one is telling you i'm town

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i've never ordered coffee, so i just made that up on the spot

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dont vote tris or your throwing

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if only he could be here for page 169

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i feel like brassherald doesnt know what he's doing and is just making stuff up

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brassherald probably!

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but literally, i have no idea what im talking about, so feel free to ignore me