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Only in my dreamstate, probs. I hate my life when I read some of his posts.

take the hero shot

this is it.

vote me.

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this is it.

vote me.

Do you not feel doubt when you read cabd's posts?

There will always be doubts. In Xenoblade 2 and smokefilled I townread the absolute hell out of him and there were doubts big enough to occasionally hit the thread. I have to find my path through it all.

I could write a book, but I won't. I've seen as much of his scum-mind as it's probably possible to see unless you're PA.

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Peta what is your prism read?

town

that's what I thought. you two have your own dance steps and it's been interesting to read. I also thought you'd be out there pushing against this wagon more.

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There will always be doubts. In Xenoblade 2 and smokefilled I townread the absolute hell out of him and there were doubts big enough to occasionally hit the thread. I have to find my path through it all.

I could write a book, but I won't. I've seen as much of his scum-mind as it's probably possible to see unless you're PA.

He feels very different from both of those games right now.

He does. Those two games were anomalous in a lot of ways. For both of us, and I hope to keep some of the backbone I've developed.

I'm not going to wall about his scum game.

The thing that's going to wake me at night about him this game is trying to figure out how much energy to expect of scum-him, and how that would manifest. Apathy used to be more of a town tell.

This isn't even apathy. He's been quite direct about how he's approaching this game even if the whys are more complex than what he's stated. He squandered opportunities that I don't think scum-him would let slip.

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Extremely intentional. Did you follow xeno?

nope, i'm just referencing cakez laying down heaps of praise at your feet like you are a godking of scumhunting

I was literally on performance enhancing drugs.

It's so weird to see Norco described this way.

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I'm not going to wall about his scum game.

My ego demands this; although tbh it's all old and dusty and probably not true any more.

This is why I'm tilting back into insomnia.

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Maybe scum-him is being more careful this game than most games because he thinks this PL is exceptional?

He would be fucking exuberant drawing scum in a player list like this one. I don't think he could keep a lid on it.

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I'm not going to wall about his scum game.

My ego demands this; although tbh it's all old and dusty and probably not true any more.

that's one reason why you're not seeing it! there's a lot more than mere extrapolation of the past involved. arms race 2021.

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At some point I will have to buckle down and actually try to sort both of you and that terrifies me.

I'd really like to here from Syr who essentially has gone AWOL, even Monday's content really wasn't very filling.

Same. Nothing like a dance broken off mid twirl.

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At some point I will have to buckle down and actually try to sort both of you and that terrifies me.

I'd really like to here from Syr who essentially has gone AWOL, even Monday's content really wasn't very filling.

also, fwiw I'm the easy one to sort.

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Maybe scum-him is being more careful this game than most games because he thinks this PL is exceptional?

He would be fucking exuberant drawing scum in a player list like this one. I don't think he could keep a lid on it.

so why are you scumreading him then ... the things you're saying don't all 'gel' with each other.
if it would be apparent that he'd be excited to scum here, and, well, it's not, why are you scumreading him exactly

goddamnit.

I'm not scumreading him. I get occasional hellacious paranoid flashes and some of them hit the thread, but that's just how it works when we play together. It's one of the reasons why I really prefer playing with him en hydra. Either Morph where I fucking know his alignment or players who can talk me down from the rafters when I need it.

I can white knuckle it, but it probably just makes for spectacular fireworks in the long run.

Would probably help a lot if Syr showed up about now.

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I woke up wanting to vote Cabd.

Ffery ur approach to this game is honestly kinda baffling me

i'm just gonna repeat this - i think that your pov/progression on, like, everything should make a lot more sense than it has been thus far to me
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total lack of minds meeting. last night was extremely frustrating. maybe I'll have the capacity to work through this at some point before the day ends.

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total lack of minds meeting. last night was extremely frustrating. maybe I'll have the capacity to work through this at some point before the day ends.

But given the last game i dont think there

should

be a total lack of minds meeting?
And sorry i wasnt trying to be frustrating ....

I was in the middle of writing a long whine and was saved by the thread lock.

Suffice it to say I'm sorry, too. Medical and sleep issues I hope resolve by early next week. I'm probably going to iso myself in a few days and wonder wtf I was even talking about.

Meanwhile paranoid about faces will probably continue on a semi regular basis. I'm gonna bookmark one of my Cabd defense posts and reread it every time I start to lose it again.

Syr? Ffery? I wish to drink punch and watch waltzing.

I don't even remember what I wanted to dance with him about besides taking stands on you and me.

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Yeah your poor ego needs some tlc.

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Cobra Kai!

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~impatient foot tapping~

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That’s disappointing, I liked being able to read things from a true null perspective

Ffery who in the cohort is scum

My first reads list was ass. :/

Cabd's townreading bork but ehhhhh I don't know what I think now.

Syr left me standing on the dance floor.

Of the cohort, Cabd and peta are. gulp. town.

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You're voting me.

It's not a good look.

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Not gonna be able to get to this til later tonight

Hi notty <3

If one of you wants to start dancing I'll followup when i come back later

How caught up are you?

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I'm not sure what you mean about low inpact vs high impact times.

Mean mostly around the Prism wagon, and the "oh you want me to read the wagon about the player who is at F-2, what a bother"

I'm rereading and am reacting a little more charitably around the interaction w/ Elements; I had filed away that he didn't really follow-up on that interaction but not true actually

Eh, I'm feeling different about it on reread; circa 1039 that's where I was at

What were you feeling different about here?

[fferyllt]

You're voting me.

It's not a good look.

>:(

shoo

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Now that you've turned my question into a question can you explain what you meant?

I don't know what you're asking?

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i mean i take issue with 'it's not a good look'

rephrase: it won't be a good look.

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Cabd's townreading bork but ehhhhh I don't know what I think now.

now that what?

you just completely ignored this?

Was trying to pick back up where we left off last night.

Now that I'm more or less caught up is what I meant. I said last night that I don't know where to put you. Seeing you at the top of Cabd's list made me think I was missing something significant in your play.

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Might just hunt and peck and snipe at shit tomorrow.


Unless Ffery writes me a tribute slash fic.

You realize that if I did this it would be as worthless at predicting what I think of your 2020+ meta trajectory as I can possibly make it?

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at 792 you seemed to be on the cusp, i'm just not sure how I went to no man's land

I think I had reread up to about page 18 or so at the point where I posted that. As the game was unfolding, starting around page 15 I was still reading in more or less real time but I wasn't taking much of anything in. Maybe I'm never going to feel confident about that section of the thread because I wasn't poking at stuff as it happened.

"maaaaaybe bork" is still where I am. You're not a strong townread. If I were doing my usual, and I have no idea why I haven't, I'd be struggling with whether to put you in weak town or null.

Do you feel like you've towned it up such that I should be seeing a townbork beacon?

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i mean i take issue with 'it's not a good look'

rephrase: it won't be a good look.

y not

notsci has demonstrated that he can still read me in year of our lord 2020.

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What? He clearly townread syr. Your posts and Tammy's posts were obvscum but syr shone bright enough anyways.

I was actually talking about illicit.

xenoblade was a gimmy as far as reading me goes.

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Do you feel like you've towned it up such that I should be seeing a townbork beacon?

Sure.

Your move

I don't. Not yet, anyway. Maybe I'm just too damn lost in the weeds. kinda feels that way. I wanted a stake in the ground. Cabd noped and Syr left me standing.

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This reads list?

I feel so unsorted here. I know you and prism are yelling at each other and maybe that just gets in the way of seeing how your other reads are forming. It's fucking insane that I need more data from you, but such it is.

ok, stream of consciousness:

I like vax. Haven't liked any pushes on vax.
I scumread syr early but I think syr's been very town since the shitposting phase stopped.

I'm acutely aware that skitter has been on my side during this prism thing, but it seems like the sort of push that is almost necessarily not an SVS interaction with prism; it feels like it's plenty easy for scum prism to just go after me and ignore the cheerleading that skitter is doing for me.
peta just seems off and weird and interactions with prism are especially weird.

I have very little opinion on DGB. I think her style doesn't lend itself to a strong D1 read; to a certain extent this applies to pooky too but I think pooky just feels more town to me through various tonal aspects in the teen page regions
I'd put ben below both of them probably
mod pizza i need to reread - been mostly glossing over everything they post because it's been extremely focused on a narrow part of the playerlist.
Elements seems reasonable and pretty transparent but is not really something I can take to the bank with that ISO

I don't like that cabd has been cutting in at low impact times and staying away at high impact times. To even get him to comment on prism was like pulling teeth and that was at F-2. Cabd has also been really guarded about me and then throws me in top tier town suddenly which just I guess doesn't match the sort of attitude toward me I'd be expecting around that.
FFery, I notice also that you have prism pretty high up without really a reference to anything besides 129 and I'm wondering if you can elaborate on that considering

Do you have a strong townread? It sounds like if you do, it's Vax? I can't tell how this sorts out to tiers so I can't really tell if I agree with your sorting or not.

What are your thoughts on skitter's me-push?

I never answered your question about prism. I will get to it but not tonight. To do it right will take time and happy brain cells.

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Maybe I'm setting the bar too high, bork.

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I agree with peta ^
I think that forcing a 1v1 here is unnecessary and will ultimately harm the gamestate more than it will be helped.

I'm also not convinced that prism/bork is tvs and even, like, needs to be solved

Also peta is ++town (i think)

It would take an unlikely amount of scumposting to shake off the town in this post.

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Syr! I will make a point of being here tonight.

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Why are you hating this game, Syr?

Was talking about you, though I like peta's post too. given my opinion of your tunneling, seeing a game health maintenance post was a pleasant surprise.

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I mean i *try* not to tunnel or take over games, that's why trying to descalate the thing with mena was p important to me cuz that could have easily gone on for pages if that didnt get checked early

I feel like you're following me around and taking gratuitous potshots at this point.

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You're voting me.

It's not a good look.

>:(

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Anyway, you do you. I've endured the likes of wisdom-tunnels. This isn't going to tilt me.

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I almost made a similar post but kinda glad I didn't.

Which post?

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Ffery i'm baffled why that post should garner that strong of a townread from u

I have a soft spot for posts that deescalate, mediate, etc (unless it's Nacho :/). I wasn't surprised to see peta make that post. I was a little surprised to see you, but looking at your iso, I probably shouldn't have been!

[fferyllt]

I wasn't surprised to see peta make that post.

I was incredibly surprised to see it, peta is a man of very few words that range from off the cuff to very carefully selected.

He definitely knows it's time to kind of return the favor now that he's convalesced while I'm on the downswing but that post was very, very long and preaching to me principles that I'm typically the first to espouse. It did not feel like a genuine attempt to talk me specifically but instead make a global appeal, which he seems to have kind of admitted to.

My very first instinct on reading it was a hard scumclaim but I'm not going to follow that.

Interesting.

It reminded me a LOT of Assassin post d0

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I probably shouldn't use that game as a peta yardstick, but I do.

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Every rule has an exception. I go very far out of my way to remove myself and avoid forcing these issues, even in the cases I am most confident in my read.

My distrust of my own reads is so strong that

I literally insisted on playing for a ~2% EV increase over voting someone I felt had no way of being town in white flag.

If he's going to try and talk me specifically off the ledge that's fine but everything about that post says that its target was a general audience and that he's fine letting my beliefs stick.

This carries some weight given your histories. I'll mull on it.

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he does. I had some concerns about his first few posts, but liked how he settled in.

Any waganomics thoughts? or too soon?

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:/

I know he gets disinterested as town sometimes ~points at a buncha Rift games~

Post hiatus he's been at least fairly high energy in every game, if not Fermi level boisterous.

Game-hate is a thing, though.

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Actually "fairly" doesn't describe any of the games. FGO in-thread, maybe, but we were spamming up our neighborhood.

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My read is not "game hate"

It's- I think his accusation of Cabd getting in the way of you/Bork and you/syry linking up looked more like Syry getting in the way of you/Cabd linking up. I feel like as scum syry's gameplan would be to get in one of yours/cabds pockets and hope they can soothesay the other half.

ninja-
I mean, all of you are lurking compared to your normal standards

Cabd has been the major obstacle to our linking up. That and my fade.

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So you do agree he's been an obstacle but your stance is that's not how he'd approacb you as scum? (just making sure we're on the same page)

Based on morphtalk, etc., I expected him to take a different approach to a normal game as either alignment. I could list a few things here that I would expect scum-him to be trying, mostly in the realm of manipulation, but that's info that will never be someplace where he gets to read it.

I'm probably going to spin the whole game but this is part of what I'm holding on to as an anchor.

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He kiiiinda did some of this super early in the Xenoblade game. Pushed me away at first and said he was going to read us based on Tammy. But, he was reaching out pretty quickly after that, especially given the blistering pace of that game.

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The point I'm referencing was Cabd's early vote on you and how Syry kneejerk response seemed more like the one putting up a barrier between the two of you. I mean yes, Cabd is keeping you at arm's length more than normal, I'm not disputing that. But I distinctly got the impression of Syry putting a barrier up vs Cabd trying to put one up between you and bork by naked voting you?

That happened when I was pretty out of it. I remember thinking Syr was townreading me (despite not doing many dance-steps at that point) and gut-voting Cabd over it. Not sure that was what was actually going on though.

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When did your prism read go town?

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Ah yeah. I was exercised over you having them lower than I did.

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Peta is very likely town (we also quoted me saying that on like the last page ...)
No opinion on syr whatsoever

Thought about Prism's peta concerns?

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Peta moved up a tier or two since my reads list.

I'm at the enviable point of having no scumreads.

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Because of course we're all one big happy town and nobody's trying to kill anyone.

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Expand on peta/skitter?

I think I understand your syr concerns.

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^ to notsci, but happy to hear all the thoughts!

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The WKing Vax thing, I felt like they were helping to stir the pot on the whole Prism/Bork debacle earlier (keeping them pointed at each other instead of moving progress forward).

Regarding peta, I didn't like that big wall about the power of friendship. One distinctive thing I remember from playing scum with peta was how good he was at manipulating emotional responses to get his way. He's probably my weakest read of the three, but it is tricky to put more sense to it.

What game was this where you were scum with him?

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That newbie you and Cabd watched where I phoned it in with CyLo because real life was a bitch.

He replaced in to my scumbuddy's slot that I expected to get guiltited overnight, and almost managed to strongarm his way through the guilty to get the PR eliminated by virtue of shredding the response and the emotional response to it.

Ooooh yeah.

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I have a blind spot when it comes to relative strangers scumreading me.

I also think Prism is town and said wagon is bad.

Endorsed.


I think there's one and exactly one scum within (bork Ffery syr) and maybe its something else but Ffery has felt off so I'm keeping the two of Ffery and syr at arm's length a bit. I townread bork most of the three.



I mean I guess it could be none of them or all of them but one feels right for how this day has shaped up so far.

This is hives-inducing.

I'm going to take a break and clear my head.

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Fiery I agree with that post of Cabd’s

Agree re 1 scum in syr/bork/me?

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How does bork's play feel to you after illicit?

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He's certainly not trying to pocket me.

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Which would be fatal after illicit.

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Just woke up and have stuff to do. Back shortly.

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ffery/skitter can you lay out those townreads on peta minus his the state of the union address

address its value as needed but anything else

Not sure if you still need this, but here it is.

i think you're just jealous we don't have a complicated meta dance like the cool kids in this game

Not AI but I laughed when I reread this a couple days ago.

i think you're just jealous we don't have a complicated meta dance like the cool kids in this game

Don't know if it's usual for you, but I feel like there's definitely a dance happening here, it just doesn't seem to resolve.

then try harder. the burden is on you to find me as town and not the other way around. i will not explain further.

I liked this. It's easy to post something like that as any alignment but I like it anyway.

Prism I feel like your reservations about peta are seeping into my impressions. :/

R u going to go after cabd peta?

i don't really expect most people here to make themselves obvious as scum but if they haven't made themselves i'll go after them especially if they're playing like they think they have a free pass

This I liked for reasons that are hard to words. Cabd and I have been joking about his hypothetical tickets to Day 3s since we un-retired this year. It's picking up on some of our shitposting, but Cabd HAS been playing like he has a free pass. Given my waffling he can't feel certain that he leaves day 1 with my endorsement. I don't think that's the import of peta's post, though. He's finding Cabd's play here lackluster compared to smokefilled and xenoblade. As he should.

1450 and 1451 gave me thinking what I'm thinking vibes, though given my thoughts were there first, that's meh.

I liked 1664. It is a sort of a from the trenches rallying post in a way, trying to center on what the struggles are likely to be in this game. This appears to be one of the cruxes of your scumread. Which makes me wonder if I have any business at all trying to read peta. On the other hand, I've been doing find reading town-peta all along since our first encounter.

And when Notsci reminded me of the Newbie game, I remember thinking that coming out so hard the way he did after night 1 in that game was maybe what he had to do given the circumstances, but the tone and the bite of the argumentation stuck out like something that didn't belong there.

I do expect that his scum game in general is considerably more subtle than that game. I may be riding for an eventual fall.

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There's a lot that happened while I was asleep and I see my name on quite a few posts. I'd rather do real time shit than go through all that and answer stuff, at least for now.

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For now, yeah. Unless the thread's died down?

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I mean I saw a bunch of stuff from notsci basically saying he wants to interact with me?

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Now he has two reasons to be mad at me if he's town FUCK

You're confusing me.

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...notsci went out of his way to expliclty generate data for YOUR consumption. And you want to leave it sit to play live.

I lied. I'm going back through it anyway.

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I mean, yeah, hence “hey ffery im done catching up let’s chat”

If I can get her back in here this game won’t be too rough.

My timing sucks. :/

I also think Prism is town and said wagon is bad.

Endorsed.


I think there's one and exactly one scum within (bork Ffery syr) and maybe its something else but Ffery has felt off so I'm keeping the two of Ffery and syr at arm's length a bit. I townread bork most of the three.



I mean I guess it could be none of them or all of them but one feels right for how this day has shaped up so far.

Notsci, agreed that one of these three flipping red is a softclear on the other two?

Yep

Can either of you explain this in small words I can understand?

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...notsci went out of his way to expliclty generate data for YOUR consumption. And you want to leave it sit to play live.

Either I can't read or you're bullshitting me here. I went back to my last post and read/skimmed forward and didn't find anything I thought notsci was asking me. Yeah, there's plenty of content and I LIKE it, but I don't see how it's addressed at me.

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Can either of you explain this in small words I can understand?

OG Cohort feel weird.

OG Cohort have scum.

Thog

Cabd hunt scum.

I was expecting something more ethereal

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that's fine
i just really don't like the implication that i may have hammered a newbie to influence this game, that would be really slimy :/

No such implication was intended; again I apologize if it came off that way.

As for that, I like how you keep questioning your reads and re-evaluating in this game. Reminds me a lot of your town-game in the newbie!

and i dont' think u should be townreading me here off of the newbie, which is why i'm kinda like ????

I don't really know how to explain this but I'll give it a shot; you're right, there's no specific thing you did in the newbie that really parallels to this game, but playing with you in the newbie I created sort of a mental model for what I think town!skitter's mindset is, and I haven't seen anything from you here to make me doubt the efficacy of the model.

It's different when you're actually in the game and it's no doubt a better place for making judgments. I agree that there aren't parallels. My viewpoint is probably skewed here.

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Ninja-
syry. I promise it’s just a game thing and if I’m wrong about it you can hold it over my head! You still rock even if I do think the mod sucks and gave you scum this game

I know but that doesn't really help rn
I'm gonna fuck off like peta suggested

<3

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notsci?

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That was a well timed pass-out :/

You want to point me at posts I've missed?

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...notsci went out of his way to expliclty generate data for YOUR consumption. And you want to leave it sit to play live.

Either I can't read or you're bullshitting me here. I went back to my last post and read/skimmed forward and didn't find anything I thought notsci was asking me. Yeah, there's plenty of content and I LIKE it, but I don't see how it's addressed at me.

I think it was pretty clear notsci went out of his way to generate syr data for YOU.

Heh. And here I was feeling my chance to dance with him got stompled.

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I feel really bad about it but I do feel like this could be scum-Syr. :/

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Cabd got most of it. One of the first things you said was that Syr fell to the backburner some so I tried to get some recent stuff out of him because everyone's been shutting down different sync ups but that might help you because noone's shut any of mine down yet

Ninja-
I do as well.

Do you feel like the shut downs have been tactical?

I feel like every time Bork and I are in the thread at the same time I get into distracting arguments with him, but I don't really feel like it's intentional.

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I've considered it? Cabd has done it some as had Syry. I've already covered the instance if its syry

If it's Cabd, he chose to keep you three separated and feed into my confidence after Xeno to keep town distracted? So meh.

He's right about your play in that game!

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It's different when you're actually in the game and it's no doubt a better place for making judgments. I agree that there aren't parallels. My viewpoint is probably skewed here.

i'm curious how or if that's influencing ur read here
there aren't that many parallels tho, i def agree

It was part of why I was scumreading you earlier. You eventually did some stuff here, in this game that I do like for town.

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It was part of why I was scumreading you earlier. You eventually did some stuff here, in this game that I do like for town.

out of curiosity, where do u think i started doing things?

You're reading that wrong. I'm not saying that you didn't do things earlier in the game. You did, I just wasn't getting a lot of townpings from it. Initially my read weakened due to your reaction to being at the bottom of my reads list, especially when you finally explained why you'd been scumreading me. Since then, I've really liked your stance on Prism and on your concerns about Prism/Bork becoming a 1v1.

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Why?

I just haven't
I've been doing and thinking about other stuff

I'm on the edge of my seat. Go on.

It's a townie response, I don't need to know anything else.

<3

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With regards to your big long posts I’ve made similar posts as scum and as town before. I’ve seen others do similarly, but that’s besides the point. I could see an argument for NAI.

tbh, i never make that post as scum here. in a newbie game, i might make a similar post like that to make myself seem like a leader, because new players are going to respond favorably to someone who acts formal and officious-sounding. here, i wasn't expecting that. that is just an entirely serious post about strategy and how i want to approach this game.

What scum motivation is there? Creating a peacekeeper “sane voice of reason” persona this game feels like a pretty safe place for scum to occupy.

I’m scumreading you for it because given my experience with you (and I understand the differences between all three games) I found you more apt to give in to emotion and try to leverage it as scum.

why would that be necessary for me, though? at that moment i wasn't in any particular danger. some ambient reads putting me toward the bottom of the poe, but no

real

pressure anyway. as scum my first goal at any given moment is not "get townread". that's not a productive strategy (though i often do get townread from the way i play).

i can be an emotional player as both alignments, although this game i have been pretty sedate after getting out of my early-game mope (although prism is starting to piss me off). i think the newbie game we played together is a pretty poor baseline for my approach, for obvious reasons. i was in the game for barely any time at all before getting guiltied by a town PR. this threw me into an immediate confrontation, and i decided to counter claim and make a fight of it. this goes back to my roots as a player on epicmafia. there, the setups are open, typically night start, and with a small number of players (7-10). often the game will revolve around a day 1 investigative role claim, and to have any prayer of winning, a member of the mafia team pretty much has to counter-claim. i've done that CC battle literally hundreds of times. it is something i am extremely practiced in. i am always going to ratchet up the intensity in that situation because for most people, they will side with the loud voice.

i think you're showing a lack of understanding of how i approach the game as scum. here, the environment is completely different. it's a wide open field. everyone's still kind of trying to figure everyone else out. at any given moment as scum my number 1 goal is figuring out who i can push to get chopped. getting townies executed is how i win games. to that end, trying to defuse a toxic TvT fight as scum is phenomenally anti-wincon. any amount of "towncred" i would garner isn't worth it in comparison to taking 2 potential executions off the table. i laid out in that post i think that sort of fight is how towns lose games like this. you can absolutely bet i'd be looking to exploit it. it wouldn't be hard, either. here, i'm doing the opposite. i'm visibly trying to limit the amount of executions available by assembling a set of townreads i am hopeful can win the game. because i don't really expect scum to be easily "caught" here, so to speak. sure, i will often white knight a town player who is being pushed, but that's because i can't look like i'm willing to kill everyone, and at times like that i'm going to weakly posture against a wagon while hoping it goes through, and/or push a counter wagon on someone else, to establish another target. (or i might throw a weak bus vote on a teammate while not acting forcefully enough for the wagon to go through). here, i'm doing none of that. i just don't want prism and bork to burn everything down for no god damn reason.

in comparison to the strategy of trying to get townies killed, a single vaguely emotional paragraph where i talk about how the game is going to be difficult is, like...nothing. as a scum play it'd be pure dogshit.

Pondering how much weight this should bear in reading you.

[fferyllt]

Why is peta town dgb?

Vax, I don’t get how your read on me being null would have any effect on my predecessor reading as scummy. Are you saying I’ve improved the read or you have no opinion on anything I’ve done? If it’s no opinion, would you like to engage me and change it?

I cant separate the 2. I tried, but I can't, and im not entirely sure I should, which is probably why I cant.

I like some of the things you have posted about. I don't really want to tell you those things because I don't trust you enough not to take that info and try to interact with me accordingly.

I realize town!notscience could want to do that as much as scum!notscience.

Do I want to engage you to change it?

No.

I don't.

I don't want to change it as it would feel like you would be making that change. I have no questions for you that need answers. I will engage with you when I do.

I hope this doesnt come off a rude, its just how I feel about the game, not you or anyone else for that matter, personally

Is this your approach to scumreads in general?

[fferyllt]

I want Bork to do things then I think I’m ready to end the day.

Ffery, I’m giving you this heads up just in case- I was thinking more on syry’s AtE. I feel like I remember being it targeted just at us, and not Cabd and that twinges me a bit. Not enough to drop my read but enough that I want to say something about it. I’ll look more later to verify what I’m seeing/thinking.

K. I felt like I was heading in the direction of a Syr townread when we had interaction earlier in the gameday. It put me off when he pushed back at Mod with the masons expansion bit. Nothing got resolved, but we haven't been active at the same time to speak of which makes resolution kinda difficult. :/

[fferyllt]

I’m talking potential buddy tells ffery. My read on Cabd is more on flux than my read on syr

I'll spare you my ongoing headspins.

[fferyllt]

Pondering how much weight this should bear in reading you.

i think that is the most words i have written about the game of mafia and the most words i have written in a game of mafia

I think the most I've written in a mafia game might be my moon cancer/zmuffin paranoia wall addressed to day 4 or whenever.

[fferyllt]

fail

What's this in reference to?

It feels like I'm playing this game from inside a cocoon.

[fferyllt]

quote fail

[fferyllt]

Who did it fail to reach? I can only think of ffery.

ffery, cabd, syr, none of whom really engaged me on anything i ever put

I've kind of boarded up a wall regarding you this game, which isn't fair to you as either alignment.

[fferyllt]

^^ That's an invitation.

[fferyllt]

It's a two-way street.

[fferyllt]

I just want to link to their iso, bork. Have you really looked at their not-about-you posts?

[fferyllt]

is 1257 still more or less where your reads are?

[fferyllt]

I just want to link to their iso, bork. Have you really looked at their not-about-you posts?

Can we make this about you and not me?

Is a Prism wall going to help? You probably won't get a wall, but w/e.

[fferyllt]

Incoming.

[fferyllt]

Is a Prism wall going to help? You probably won't get a wall, but w/e.

Yes

Hope you're still around. Shit happened.

I like the way they've pushed back on my various reasons for townreading them (which you could have found if you were reading my posts, instead of just coming back to the same thing with me every time you re-engage) as flawed is also probably more of a town thing than a scum thing. I do this as both alignments, but tend to keep at it more as town. In that vein they'll probably hate just about everything I cite here!

The trajectory of their scumread of Skitter based on posts about the you/Prism swirl feels unforced to me, like it's real things they're thinking.

The way they tried to rethink their focus on you before doubling down looks town, though it's probably a weak indicator.

Their coolness under pressure (getting to E-2? Is that a thing that actually happened?) felt town.

Their dance with petapan and the level of skepticism has a decisiveness and persistence that looks town. I'm watching both sides of that dance because if one of them is scum, I think there will eventually be a falter of some sort.

Some of the posting what I'm thinking or maybe should be thinking examples, (this is not as tight a linkage as I'd usually want but that's my fault for being in a fog for parts of the game)
- The Vax discussion with Skitter30 (which was part of my not liking Skitter at that point), and a lot of the further interactions up to the point where Skitter and I had a go-around. Their interactions still resonate probably more than anything else outside my own interactions with Skitter.
- The post about Syr/Cabd/Me gave me a small stake in the ground in terms of figuring out how I felt about our interactions at that point

[fferyllt]

I hate literally everything about the tone of 2099 :~(

You should be voting me then.

[fferyllt]

I'm also kind of curious as to what the "falter" the dance of me/petapan is they're looking for given that petapan has failed the dance with flying colors in my book.

I'm not sure what I'm looking for. I know the sorts of ways that I would falter interacting with Cabd or Nacho as scum, and am kind of looking in those directions.

[fferyllt]

their vote on vax is gross and exactly what i'd expect from scum

Neither you nor I liked Vax's entrance either, though you were willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for playstyle.

Vax's entrance is #121-#128. They had one more post in #149 to try a wagon vote on ffery. Elements voted them in #150.

This timeline makes me tilt my head. When you said "entrance" did you mean strictly the first 1/2 posts, only for the next 3/4 to be better?

It is, however, worth noting that my/petapan's history of dancing is very different from yours and Cabd.

90% of the time one steps on a foot, the other says to watch where you're stepping you clumsy motherfucker, the first replies "Who you callin' clumsy?" and before you know we're whacking each other with our heels and both of our dresses are torn and we never liked the other anyway and we both flip town

10% of the time Usher or Adele is on and hell yeah that's our jam and it's all okay

Yeah, that's not my dance. With me/Cabd from my side it's more of a pleasant round about the dance floor punctuated by disliking the hell out of a post or two, and he immediately IMMEDIATELY self-corrects. Within a page or two it's like nothing happened. And repeat.

It's been so incredibly long since he's been scum against me that I only have theories about how the dance will differ, and I hope they're good theories.

[fferyllt]

first quote is idunno. must have hit the q+ button when I was writing what passes for a wall.

[fferyllt]

I hate literally everything about the tone of 2099 :~(

You should be voting me then.

I mean if that's what you want, then sure.

This is so weird from you.

Bluff called. Oldcabd might have been a sucker for this but not here.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ffery

This feels so much cleaner than all the murky crap you've been tossing my direction.

[fferyllt]

I hate literally everything about the tone of 2099 :~(

You should be voting me then.

I mean if that's what you want, then sure.

This is so weird from you.

Bluff called. Oldcabd might have been a sucker for this but not here.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ffery

This feels so much cleaner than all the murky crap you've been tossing my direction.

Me to you right now?

Is you to Bell in antechamber.

If you get your way today, I'll probably be screaming how town you are all the way to the dead thread.

And hating myself for the rest of the game.

I KNOW my play is not my norm. I want to fault you and bork and everybody else but I know what my play has been.

I hope I'm getting decent reads on you guys in spite of it.

[fferyllt]

But I realize if ffery is scum you die tonight and then I have to get there and that’s stressful too. But no mercy.

Scum-me would never N1K Cabd.

I recall letting him live to like Day 4 or 5 or something when he was crumbing vig at me in Nati's mini normal. Though to be fair I didn't have access to the scum nk until you targeted me!

[fferyllt]

I hate literally everything about the tone of 2099 :~(

You should be voting me then.

I mean if that's what you want, then sure.

This is so weird from you.

Bluff called. Oldcabd might have been a sucker for this but not here.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ffery

This feels so much cleaner than all the murky crap you've been tossing my direction.

Me to you right now?

Is you to Bell in antechamber.

I can't leave this alone. it hurts to read. I want to just take a break and maybe that's what I should do.

I'd rather clear the air.

[fferyllt]

What are your thoughts on that interaction I highlighted Cabd? Bork when you read up this is open to you as well.

What interaction?

[fferyllt]

Why exactly does it hurt to read?

That you're thinking about my play in those terms. I can't even take offense at it.

[fferyllt]

When syry voted Cabd for interfering in your interactions with both him and Bork

Ah. thought it was something more recent you'd pointed up and I'd missed.

[fferyllt]

I guess I didn't think syr had NEARLY the strength of the townread on ffery required to snap to that vote, but his vote was as good as an explicit statement that he does.

This is what's bugging me. The implied read in that vote isn't anywhere else in his trajectory.

[fferyllt]

Initially I thought maybe there was no implied me-read and it was more about you. But that's not the impression I got reading his last-night posts.

[fferyllt]

You understand that by telling Cabd to vote you that took attention away from that, right? That’s the disconnect for you that’s bugging me

Was not even on my radar at that point. I'd had it with Cabd's low-key sniping over the last 24 hours. But, I own my play.

[fferyllt]

If I’m ffery here I find one of the cohort to dance with and sort then base the game state around.

She wasn’t able to for various reasons and this is how it ended up.

ok and i guess my followup question is does 'ffery being town in an environment that's rough for her to be town' look substantially different than just 'ffery being scum'?

ffery, confirm/deny: is 'ffery being town in an environment that's rough for her to be town' the type of game you'd try to emulate as scum? just curious

In the before times I tried to keep my scum-play solidly inside the envelope of where my town-play lives. There are obvious problems with doing that, which I've not had a whole lot of opportunity to work on due to the way rng works in my vicinity. Nacho has gently bashed me over the head a few times about it, though. I did feel like I broke pretty solidly out of that paradigm in a 2017-18 newbie scum game, and it's my goal to keep going in that direction with my scum play.

So that observation probably fits the majority of my solo scum games, but it's a little off-trajectory at least in terms of my intent wrt scum play.

[fferyllt]

Anyway, my bad town games gave my scum games a place to hide.

[fferyllt]

that post next to that avatar

[fferyllt]

I’m taking this to mean you are back on the ffery town page. Okay.

Let’s proceed. Ffery and Bork come get your towncred while it’s hot before syry’s buddies hop on

I think there's a decent chance I pull a zmuffin today. Without the humor and confidence, unfortunately.

[fferyllt]

<3 Syr

[fferyllt]

Pooky where's your head at currently outside cohort and peta/prism?

[fferyllt]

Sigh.

Extreme mixed feelings.

[fferyllt]

Are you asking me?

[fferyllt]

I don't even know anymore.

Maybe?

I don't need the tell burned. I have enough niggles of my own.

Was going to break me to vote him even so.

[fferyllt]

Day 2 Guillatina level?

[fferyllt]

The best masonries are the ones we make for ourselves.

That's the saddest part of all of this.

[fferyllt]

Vote: Syr

[fferyllt]

The Russians have finished their vodka and know who is kicked off the ice berg.

Baileys

Soon

[fferyllt]

I was dead day 2, but Fermi would have been voting Day 2 Guillatina if we'd survived the night.

[fferyllt]

I was dead day 2, but Fermi would have been voting Day 2 Guillatina if we'd survived the night.

...Tammy permitting!

[fferyllt]

I am a 3-shot vig and I can use all three in one night. If you're wrong you'll all be machined gunned in your sleep.

If I'm wrong it will be a mercy killing.

[fferyllt]

The Russians have finished their vodka and know who is kicked off the ice berg.

Baileys

Soon

regretting life choices

[fferyllt]

You know what sucks, Cobra Kai?

The presidents have two votes to deny us on obvscum instead of one.

At least we have fermis this time.

1/3 of Fermis. Remember who you're voting ffs.

[fferyllt]

bork I know it's left in the dust but anything to say about my prism town post?

[fferyllt]

I'm not going to lie man I'm basing this literally 0% on anything you posted

Some people just have bad games, feel left out, or just aren't feelin' Mafia

I however

Yeah but see like syr and I are best buds and I would argue when it comes to his mafia mind I know it better than anyone here. Even Ffery.

Trying to decide if I disagree with this.

[fferyllt]

Hope you're still around. Shit happened.

I like the way they've pushed back on my various reasons for townreading them (which you could have found if you were reading my posts, instead of just coming back to the same thing with me every time you re-engage) as flawed is also probably more of a town thing than a scum thing. I do this as both alignments, but tend to keep at it more as town. In that vein they'll probably hate just about everything I cite here!

The trajectory of their scumread of Skitter based on posts about the you/Prism swirl feels unforced to me, like it's real things they're thinking.

The way they tried to rethink their focus on you before doubling down looks town, though it's probably a weak indicator.

Their coolness under pressure (getting to E-2? Is that a thing that actually happened?) felt town.

Their dance with petapan and the level of skepticism has a decisiveness and persistence that looks town. I'm watching both sides of that dance because if one of them is scum, I think there will eventually be a falter of some sort.

Some of the posting what I'm thinking or maybe should be thinking examples, (this is not as tight a linkage as I'd usually want but that's my fault for being in a fog for parts of the game)
- The Vax discussion with Skitter30 (which was part of my not liking Skitter at that point), and a lot of the further interactions up to the point where Skitter and I had a go-around. Their interactions still resonate probably more than anything else outside my own interactions with Skitter.
- The post about Syr/Cabd/Me gave me a small stake in the ground in terms of figuring out how I felt about our interactions at that point

This just seems like it boils down to "tone/gut" to me and that it's more designed to make me satisfied that you believe it rather than convince me I'm wrong

Also I feel that you've slapped my hand away again after "inviting" me (your words) by just suggesting i should read your posts and I'd have all the answers I want

I'm not slapping your hand away. I'm trying to take a can opener to my head and let you have a look inside.

I AM annoyed that you haven't read my iso regarding Prism. Given the extent of your tunnel or Prism I don't think I can directly convince you you're wrong. If you acknowledge that I at least have reasons to think what I think about Prism, that should mean something?

[fferyllt]

I'm not going to lie man I'm basing this literally 0% on anything you posted

Some people just have bad games, feel left out, or just aren't feelin' Mafia

I however

Yeah but see like syr and I are best buds and I would argue when it comes to his mafia mind I know it better than anyone here. Even Ffery.

Trying to decide if I disagree with this.

You are the only person who could convincingly claim otherwise.

We masonized ourselves to each other two games in a row. I really thought we would do it again here if he's town.

It didn't happen. I was a dead thing in the game when it mattered and maybe I missed the incredible townie handclasp that should have happened. Now I'm left with dust instead of a handclasp and I'm leaning HARD on you and notsci because I missed that opportunity.

And on the gripping hand you've really fucked over your read of me and I'm holding on to straws because of that.

BUT! I don't think you'd offer to burn a tell if you didn't 100% believe it's correct.

[fferyllt]

What Pooky said there is probably true but it is also unproductive

If you're in Uzbekistan then at least try to learn the language, or at least drink the beer

Your referral to that Vax is actually another one of my problems this game

So we're not Russians on a train?

[fferyllt]

If you only knew

[fferyllt]

Ffery I woke up though.

I'm sorry I hurt your achy breaky heart but it's okay now.

You're going to have to find a funk/punk reference if you want to resonate with my heart.

[fferyllt]

Look, all.

My good friend Syr is many things.

But his primary weakness as scum, the entry in the binder that has been there since the beginning of my mafia career, practically? It's only a few words, but they've never been wrong.

Scum-Syr Model: "Leans into shitposting/memes early, runs out of stamina, grouses once he runs out of steam"

I know this is like... an anticlimactic tell from the metabinder. But I'm burning it and it's 100% and I am going to throw that page of the binder a funeral with copious amounts of liquor this weekend.

The only thing that doesn't fit with Rift-Syr meta is that his posting was always minimal and I kept on keeping on when he was out of steam.

Regardless of alignment.

It followed when we were cult leader in Majiffy's abomination of a bastard game. It followed when we were SK in Nati's micro. And it ALWAYS followed in our town games, unless I called on him late game for the perfect memes. 98% of the posting was always me.

He's the best emotional support in the universe in our hydra chat<3.

[fferyllt]

Look, all.

My good friend Syr is many things.

But his primary weakness as scum, the entry in the binder that has been there since the beginning of my mafia career, practically? It's only a few words, but they've never been wrong.

Scum-Syr Model: "Leans into shitposting/memes early, runs out of stamina, grouses once he runs out of steam"

I know this is like... an anticlimactic tell from the metabinder. But I'm burning it and it's 100% and I am going to throw that page of the binder a funeral with copious amounts of liquor this weekend.

The only thing that doesn't fit with Rift-Syr meta is that his posting was always minimal and I kept on keeping on when he was out of steam.

Regardless of alignment.

It followed when we were cult leader in Majiffy's abomination of a bastard game. It followed when we were SK in Nati's micro. And it ALWAYS followed in our town games, unless I called on him late game for the perfect memes. 98% of the posting was always me.

He's the best emotional support in the universe in our hydra chat<3.

I think Paradox Prime was contra to this. And the Vengeball game. He showed up mid-day 2 and called both scum teams. It was beautiful to behold.

[fferyllt]

Look, all.

My good friend Syr is many things.

But his primary weakness as scum, the entry in the binder that has been there since the beginning of my mafia career, practically? It's only a few words, but they've never been wrong.

Scum-Syr Model: "Leans into shitposting/memes early, runs out of stamina, grouses once he runs out of steam"

I know this is like... an anticlimactic tell from the metabinder. But I'm burning it and it's 100% and I am going to throw that page of the binder a funeral with copious amounts of liquor this weekend.

The only thing that doesn't fit with Rift-Syr meta is that his posting was always minimal and I kept on keeping on when he was out of steam.

Regardless of alignment.

It followed when we were cult leader in Majiffy's abomination of a bastard game. It followed when we were SK in Nati's micro. And it ALWAYS followed in our town games, unless I called on him late game for the perfect memes. 98% of the posting was always me.

He's the best emotional support in the universe in our hydra chat<3.

are you saying you think the loss of motivation is a nulltell?

I'd like for Cabd to speak to the Trust Fund games.

[fferyllt]

If you acknowledge that I at least have reasons to think what I think about Prism, that should mean something?

It does mean something or I wouldn't have asked. I still stand by what I just said; I don't think "seems like they believe what they say" or their tone under pressure is a really high bar to hit as scum. I don't consider myself a good scum player and feel like I hit all those tonal marks in IS pretty handily.

That's not what got you my townread in IS though. Not even close.

[fferyllt]

Look, all.

My good friend Syr is many things.

But his primary weakness as scum, the entry in the binder that has been there since the beginning of my mafia career, practically? It's only a few words, but they've never been wrong.

Scum-Syr Model: "Leans into shitposting/memes early, runs out of stamina, grouses once he runs out of steam"

I know this is like... an anticlimactic tell from the metabinder. But I'm burning it and it's 100% and I am going to throw that page of the binder a funeral with copious amounts of liquor this weekend.

The only thing that doesn't fit with Rift-Syr meta is that his posting was always minimal and I kept on keeping on when he was out of steam.

Regardless of alignment.

It followed when we were cult leader in Majiffy's abomination of a bastard game. It followed when we were SK in Nati's micro. And it ALWAYS followed in our town games, unless I called on him late game for the perfect memes. 98% of the posting was always me.

He's the best emotional support in the universe in our hydra chat<3.

are you saying you think the loss of motivation is a nulltell?

I'd like for Cabd to speak to the Trust Fund games.

This is a thing

[fferyllt]

it can wait til tomorrow. I'm ~indeterminate timeframe~ from a fade.

[fferyllt]

I see this shit

And I'm going to sleep.

[fferyllt]

unwnd why are you at null lean town on me? Why is Cabd sitting below me in your list? Of the two of us Cabd's playing WAY closer to xenoblade than I am.

[fferyllt]

Not sure what you mean by back and forth.

[fferyllt]

I don’t think Cabd has leaned into the traits he used in xeno at all. Before I came in it kinda felt like the game was in a stalemate.

Initially, yeah, but since unwnd replaced in it's been much more xeno Cabd IMO.

[fferyllt]

From memory something about burning the metaread from him

You disagreeing, offering another game of Syr's

And then him going on about masonry/PTs

I told him he didn't need to burn the meta read.

Since he did, I still want him to opine on Trust Fund games because I only know of one TF game where Syr did basically stop posting partway through day 1. I'm not aware if there IS another TF game out there.

The part about grousing isn't something I experienced hydraing with him in non-town roles. Hydrae are different.

I don't think any of this data will change my Syr read at this point. I still owe it to him to poke in the corners and be certain.

The masonry stuff is in joke with a side of backchannel.

[fferyllt]

Well If I'm interpreting correctly you disagree with him and that's the bottom line yes?

I'm not disagreeing with him. I want more data.

I'm scumreading Syr. It's independent of Cabd's meta tell.

[fferyllt]

The data I'm asking for comes from Cabd?

I'm not going to set my Syr read aside, but I am looking at what you've posted and initiated this convo?

lol this is reminding me of an ancient Morphgame. I think this is the first time I've seen the mindset come out so strongly since then.

I'll look it up and post it later. I kinda want to see if Cabd independently spots it first.

[fferyllt]

@MOD I voted a few pages ago.

Vote:

[fferyllt]

Vote: Syr

Damn

[fferyllt]

Talk about why you don't want to vote them?

[fferyllt]

I see "Rising" and think "Urge to burn".

[fferyllt]

It's dnd night. I won't be around much for a few hours.

[fferyllt]

is unwnd the new syr ?

Yes

[fferyllt]

I am thoroughly squicked.

[fferyllt]

I'm back.

[fferyllt]

Can we walk this whole fucking thing back and get back to why unwnd is scum other than "syr seemed demoralized after the shitposting phase stopped" because I still feel like that's what all this shit boils down to and I am utterly uninclined to move there

it's more complicated than that but for me he puts an early townread on prism (139 224 232 314) but then sheeped skitter on prism in a not very good looking way (1027 1035) and

gave a townread on skitter that was not very well justified and seemed to be giving little too much leeway (1896 1901)

. those were what gave me issues.

i didn't like ffery's response there either

What's this about?

[fferyllt]

I guess it'll take me more time to read ffery but stumbling on this post again greatly bothered me:

It's probably naive of me to think this way, but I feel like I got a useful-ish grasp of how you think as scum from the dead/spectator PT in the FGO game. I may get around to reading some of the scum games you linked, but for now I'm kinda happy with the scum-prism model I have not really matching your play here.

The post she's referencing are about how scum have to take a stronger voice and throw their weight around to prevent townblocs from forming.

Every single player in this game thinks that I have done this, but this doesn't really seem to factor into her read of me later. I get that she has individual reasons to townread me but where's the model?

It's E-2. I will immediately hammer when you vote.

I thought what you said was as much about how to infiltrate townblocs as to prevent them. Which was what I'd been looking for initially and didn't really see.

[fferyllt]

Do you think that list of players who potentially have a deepwolf? Because Notsci said the deepwolf is elsewhere and I absolutely disagree

I don't consider peta/prism cabal members (yet?) - I barely know either's mafia personas outside of a few games, so if anything I'm on the outskirts of the group if they're a part of it.

Out of that list of people Cabd definitely has the range to pants the entire playerlist and he'd be the first to tell you. I'm not saying noddy doesn't at this point but I have personally never seen it. I know how ffery feels about her scumgame (I guess they're gonna probably reference Vi's game here but if you think i remember shit about that game you're drastically mistaken). I'm not the type of player that takes any of these takes to the bank because the minute I do someone fucking reaches for strength they didn't know they had and gets by everyone. This is kinda why I don't really care to meta people either.

Anyway there's a quote from DGB from SFA that i wanna bring out:

Even winning scum teams are usually disorganized and fairly incompetent.

like I kinda don't think anyone's drawn these kind of "i'm gonna deepwolf and you're the designated eventual bus target" lines, especially on D1, lol.

Peta has been assimilated.

As I keep saying in case you're tired of hearing it

I am in a a position as town where I am being incriminated for something someone else did. I'm not gonna repeat this but from my perspective

My best option here is to appeal to reason, moreover, I know it's wrong and I know that logic persists where there must be one of you either simply watching me go down or causing it to happen. I don't think focusing on that now works for me because my pool is there albeit limited. And it seems like nobody wants to entertain that thought despite somehow..agreeing with me

Cabd: not the best example, but unwnd's reminding me a lot of Hanasawa in Pick & Ban.

like I kinda don't think anyone's drawn these kind of "i'm gonna deepwolf and you're the designated eventual bus target" lines, especially on D1, lol.

ehhhhhhhhhh i can see that happening this game tbh
or at least i wouldn't entirely ignore the possibility

I'm not in the business of just pointing to possibilities

It's possible that prism/cabd/ffery are all scum (probably at this point the team I'm most scared of having a meticulous strategy just based on two people i know pretty well and one i'm armchairing) and the scum pt is 35 pages long right now and i'm gonna look like a fucking moron post game

I don't know how to quantify the existence of such a team with a designated "deepwolf"

Are you scumreading all three of us? Because this feels sort of like some of the scumteams April threw out there in Illicit. :/

Praise taloc.

Arceus not a jealous god?

Bork and ffery if this wagon flips green and either of you neighborize pls come talk to me thx

It's going to be a lonely night. But at least it won't be 4 calendar days worth of lonely.

The amount of chaining me to syr is mindboggling. I can't look at it objectively. But, I think Syr wouldn't dance with me because he couldn't make it look real. That's how I'd always figured we'd be able to catch each other as scum because the dance is a town dance.

And NOW I find out he had a SCHEME with Cabd.

[fferyllt]

I guess, I was wondering how that model has been used/carried forward for you past the opening.

The model basically got overwhelmed with actual data in this game that I'm processing in the context of this game. I don't have time or energy for a major meta project and I doubt I'd get very far with you in the time I do have.

[fferyllt]

If I missed something that was addressed to me I'll be up for an hour or so.

[fferyllt]

ffery any objections to hammer? gonna go to bed soon ....

None from me.

I'm part of the problem, but I really didn't want a 100+ page day 1.

[fferyllt]

Homework on red flip is probably elements.


Homework on green flip is probably prism because at that point evrujing I know about this game is wrong.

elements is still my pet townread. :/

I have rereading to do overnight.

[fferyllt]

<3

Probs not artificial anyway.

[fferyllt]

you and your fruity liqueurs.

[fferyllt]

gentlebeings

[fferyllt]

I kept the gender dropdown blank when I first joined ms.

I think fferyllt looks somewhat feminine but it's actually Gaelic for Virgil.

[fferyllt]

I feel almost certain I knew you in the before times. If I didn't I wish I had.

[fferyllt]

Sleeping for now.

Somebody less lazy than me go find petas target.

I don't think he crumbed this, looking at his late-late posts.

[fferyllt]

Why hello there, miss "punching bag for my evil syr-scum-trapping-plots"

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[fferyllt]

Cabd I’m wondering if we had competing scum wagons now

We know scum on the wagon is in (Pooky, prism, skitter) and Pooky had very minimal interactions with both iterations of the slot and only voted bc we insisted

I was looking forward to reading amazing wagonomics today.

[fferyllt]

Sorry Boxer the horse but you've got work to do

When you and others say stuff like this, what on earth are you talking about?

It's a Russian proletariat metaphor in Animal Farm.

[fferyllt]

So did DGB/Elements commit any thoughtcrimes? Can we vote them to the Ministry of Love?

<3

[fferyllt]

I also think that there's at least 1 scum on wagon, from the vibes at eod

Pedit syr or unwnd. Or actually both ways - who are u talking abt?

elaborate?

[fferyllt]

Everyone felt like they were ready for the day to end when i was figuring out whether or not to hammer, including unwnd

Scum were either onwagon,

or very content

to let it happen - like it kinda felt inevitable at that point

or resigned

[fferyllt]

Everyone felt like they were ready for the day to end when i was figuring out whether or not to hammer, including unwnd

Scum were either onwagon,

or very content

to let it happen - like it kinda felt inevitable at that point

or resigned

True. But the point is if they're that resigned they probably figurw there's not much else they can do at that point - nobody was scrambling to get on wagon really.

It felt like they were fine with it ending as is, which makes me think whoever they wanted to get omwagon was already on it

I agree!

How would you describe your reasonings for voting unwnd?

[fferyllt]

I figured out where peta crumbed his target, and so we can assume he roleblocked Elements last night.

Is this shareable?

[fferyllt]

never mind. evidently not!

[fferyllt]

But I mean,

unless you think I'm the heavy-bus of the century

, you can take it at face value here.

I expect this to happen someday.

I don't think this is that day.

[fferyllt]

Are you writing some?

[fferyllt]

If it means you were looking for an interaction between you and Cabd that made him solidly town to you, did you get one? It doesn't look to me like you did.

Also bell did this in antechamber. Is this a new scumtell for people of cohort to mistake ffery townreading me for ffery NOT townreading me? Wishful thinking, perhaps?

A new one to go with an old one, maybe.

[fferyllt]

Oh?

Tell me of the deep lore, ancient keeper.

I mentioned it twice on day 1. It gets a name now so I never forget it: the Hanasawa tell.

[fferyllt]

Yes.

[fferyllt]

If you care about meta, I now have a completed post-hiatus scum game.

Hopefully it's not indicative of what my post-hiatus scum game is going to look like!

[fferyllt]

Cabd, thoughts?

[fferyllt]

That completed game is the reason I caught syr here.

I want to hear about this one day.

[fferyllt]

heh.

I need to sort you lot.

[fferyllt]

I have zero curiousity about the scumteam is and zero interest in the game. I will do the minimum and call it a day.

this feels like a very town!prism thing to say

i also dont think prism shoots peta

agree with the first statement.

Reasonings for the second statement?

[fferyllt]

That completed game is the reason I caught syr here.

I want to hear about this one day.

Today is the day, if you actually want it.

My sense is that I don't need to know it today.

[fferyllt]

That completed game is the reason I caught syr here.

I want to hear about this one day.

Today is the day, if you actually want it.

My sense is that I don't need to know it today.

I mean if you don't get it now, you'll get it postgame because tomorrow will open with:

"Cabd, Town Vanilla, died night two"

Is it likely to be useful again here?

[fferyllt]

Bork can you talk about why you thought the scum in the cohort was Ffery?

cause a lot of her mid game content felt like either just observational in nature or vague in conclusions: (1080, 1274, 2099 are all examples of this
i also didn't particularly like that she had me as right outside her townblock then all the sudden i was on some weird tangential plane where i didn't belong on her list at all

My day 1 was pretty awful from the inside.

I'm not sure what I expected from town-you after Illicit, given that game was protracted engagement with scum-you.

[fferyllt]

Nah but it's a cool story~

That tilde.

Ok what was it?

[fferyllt]

stalkers.

You said something like that on day 1 but more general. I think Syr reads me similar to how I read him. Doesn't involve one-post ah ha's.

[fferyllt]

The bottom three pairings are ruled out as S/S.

[fferyllt]

ffery too.

[fferyllt]

I don't necessarily agree that you wouldn't kill peta, and your shift to disinterest since the start of the day is not really what I'd expect either considering a scum flip.

I am miserable and I do not want to play.

The major source of my disinterest is long and convoluted, the tl;dr of which is realizing that petapan/Regfan both have something important I don't: A genuine curiosity and interest in the puzzle of the game. They can't help themselves from playing more games, spectating more games, and guessing as to who is what. I don't feel the same. I can grind like no other, and am a fierce competitor, but I simply don't have the same curiosity. I can grind like no other, and I am a fierce competitor, but the most important door is sealed to me. There are other games better suited for me to play.

The minor one is simply that I don't enjoy/like the table whatsoever, and it is probably mutual so we can leave it at that.

I hope you find at least a few things to enjoy in this game after all.

[fferyllt]

F5 is not my friend. :/