Micro 807: Lynchpin 8p (Game Over)

[UnrealSeal]

this game is too hard for me.

It's actually quite easy: First we lynch either you or stungun. If your town, then stungun's mafia and vice versa. Creature is confscum.

Can you walk me through this?

not much to walk through, I think stungun's vote and posts are too opportunistic to be bussing, and both players are too scummy for this to be TvT. So I think it's SvT and I'm leaning towards stungun more than RC right now for the S.

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

Hmm Idk why he's refusing to talk to you properly. Maybe because you're being so antagonistic and locked him as scum early? Lols

If you think I've been antagonising him, you haven't seen me antagonise others. But no, I've been civil. I really don't think my behaviour is questionable in the context of „playing nice with others.” Also, when I have a read I want to push, I'll push it. I didn't know that could traumatise anyone.
But you're giving in to his narrative too. He doesn't have to talk to me, this isn't a private thread. Giving content about his Creature read would benefit the entire town, yet he doesn't do that. „Yet” isn't the good word, really, it should be more like „that's why”, but you get the point. Him not talking isn't about me, it's strictly about him.

this game is too hard for me.

It's actually quite easy: First we lynch either you or stungun. If your town, then stungun's mafia and vice versa. Creature is confscum.

Can you walk me through this?

not much to walk through, I think stungun's vote and posts are too opportunistic to be bussing, and both players are too scummy for this to be TvT. So I think it's SvT and I'm leaning towards stungun more than RC right now for the S.

Which of them does the interaction make look scummy in particular?

My main problem with your post is really that your lining up lynches in the worst possible way. Although I don't like the SG wagon in general. 155 seems very much town to me. Some good points & some extremely silly things I don't think mafia would dare to do.

[UnrealSeal]

"good points" you and i apparently have a very different definition of that.

RC has never been as aggressive as stungun implies with other lynch wagons, his first two votes were very jokey and RVS and his vote on me was defensive in response to the Creature debacle. Other than asking a question I had already answered, asking about meta, and townreading/

buddying up to me in his attempt to join the RC wagon without looking suspicious

his post is incredibly vapid and I can't even make sense of his second point.

And what are these "silly things" that mafia wouldn't do? There's nothing risky about that post

he exposed himself as scum

[UnrealSeal]

*other than the fact

damn I need to proofread better

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

I had played a game where NSG and RC are both town, and what RC did here is similar to what he did there.

viewtopic.php?p=10156125&user_select%5B ... #p10156125

This is his ISO there. You can find that...

I've read up to page 6. I might read more, but do tell me if you think I need to.

- He wanted NSG to post early so he can read her properly.

That's true. Then he moved onto other players, which he allegedly didn't want to do here. I'm not saying that that start was particularly scummy by itself, but it was different.

- Townred me but decided to let go of that since he didn't see it in my ISO, kind of like what happened here when he imagined UnrealSeal as scum but didn't find it in his ISO either. (Don't know what to make of him mixing up games tho.)

Firstly, context is different, again. Context is key. There's „I thought I thought CJ was town, but I actually don't”, & there's making a scene, placing a vote, disregarding question about the read (it was way before I made the post he's sulking about), then hours later „realising” his „mistake”, but still refusing to give anything about the read. We know nothing about the progression of a read that resulted in a vote.
Secondly, it's not necessarily mixing games up. US isn't playing anything else right now. (just a remark)

- His reads are flip-flopping there too

I've addressed this before. Here's the point: I can understand the RC you linked. He interacts with players who are present, gives reasons, answers questions. The RC in this game does none of that.

"good points" you and i apparently have a very different definition of that.

RC has never been as aggressive as stungun implies with other lynch wagons, his first two votes were very jokey and RVS and his vote on me was defensive in response to the Creature debacle. Other than asking a question I had already answered, asking about meta, and townreading/

buddying up to me in his attempt to join the RC wagon without looking suspicious

his post is incredibly vapid and I can't even make sense of his second point.

And what are these "silly things" that mafia wouldn't do? There's nothing risky about that post

he exposed himself as scum

RC was somewhat aggressive early on. Not the way he was talking, but what he was saying: he pretty much expected to waltz through D1 right into D2, he tells us two other players alignment, we believe him for some reason, lynch the player he wants lynched, then who knows what he was planning further down the line. That was my impression, & that was his attitude up until page 6. So that's one good point. He noticed RC's tone shift, that's another. The one about your post is another one.

By silly things, I mean literally silly things. He seemingly takes one of RC's trashtalk posts seriously. He claims that yeah, NSG posted in the thread because he was voting her. Not like she had just been prodded or anything. I've no idea if these were meant to be jokes or not, I'm kind of leaning more towards that they weren't. & that's hilarious, but it's also not something I think scum would do, because it'd be easy to attack, & there's nothing immediate to gain from it. I mean, he did gain townpoints from me, but that's more of a very high-risk gambit imo.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

RadiantCowbells

(2): Gosrir Elmer Odels, stungun0404

stungun0404

(1): UnrealSeal

UnrealSeal

(1): Mohab500

Not voting

(4): northsidegal, Creature, RadiantCowbells, ceejayvinoya

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[Creature]

So are we still going to wait nsg?

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

She's posted once.

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

I'm fed up. You probably think that I'm fixated on RC, & I am. However, enough is enough, if some users cannot or do not want to play the game, they should replace out. I'm willing to lynch any of {RC, Creature, NSG}. Preliminary intent to hammer to all of them. RC is scum, no question about that. What Creature just did was atrocious, right now he isn't even online. NSG is on V/LA, although somehow she can still post in other threads (in which she plays. I get the situation with modding.)

I'm off to sleep now. When I wake up, I'll check the thread, check which of the three has the biggest wagon, vote on that one (intent to hammer), &

then

read.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm sad.

[RadiantCowbells]

On a personal level I feel fairly sure that GoE is town. At the same time the only thing I want to do in this game is lynch him because he's ruining the game for me.

I don't think I'm doing anyone a favour by staying around when I can't properly play to my win condition.

replace me.

[callforjudgement]

Now looking for a replacement for RadiantCowbells.

[callforjudgement]

Not_Mafia replaces RadiantCowbells.

[Not_Mafia]

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Not_Mafia]

Is this d1 only?

[Creature]

Did you selfhammer?

[Not_Mafia]

Nope

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

Good morning! I see RC's finally off.

VOTE: Creature]
VOTE: NSG
VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

Hi, Not_Mafia.

@cfj: Have you prodded NSG? It's her second one, so that's 36 hours to force-replace her.

[Not_Mafia]

Hey

[callforjudgement]

@cfj: Have you prodded NSG? It's her second one, so that's 36 hours to force-replace her.

She's V/LA. I did send her a PM at the 32 hour mark but players aren't officially prodded while on V/LA, so it was basically just a reminder to post when the V/LA ends.

[Mohab500]

Not_mafia was scum last game, quick maths shows he's town this game looooool

[UnrealSeal]

"good points" you and i apparently have a very different definition of that.

RC has never been as aggressive as stungun implies with other lynch wagons, his first two votes were very jokey and RVS and his vote on me was defensive in response to the Creature debacle. Other than asking a question I had already answered, asking about meta, and townreading/

buddying up to me in his attempt to join the RC wagon without looking suspicious

his post is incredibly vapid and I can't even make sense of his second point.

And what are these "silly things" that mafia wouldn't do? There's nothing risky about that post

he exposed himself as scum

RC was somewhat aggressive early on. Not the way he was talking, but what he was saying: he pretty much expected to waltz through D1 right into D2, he tells us two other players alignment, we believe him for some reason, lynch the player he wants lynched, then who knows what he was planning further down the line. That was my impression, & that was his attitude up until page 6. So that's one good point. He noticed RC's tone shift, that's another. The one about your post is another one.

By silly things, I mean literally silly things. He seemingly takes one of RC's trashtalk posts seriously. He claims that yeah, NSG posted in the thread because he was voting her. Not like she had just been prodded or anything. I've no idea if these were meant to be jokes or not, I'm kind of leaning more towards that they weren't. & that's hilarious, but it's also not something I think scum would do, because it'd be easy to attack, & there's nothing immediate to gain from it. I mean, he did gain townpoints from me, but that's more of a very high-risk gambit imo.

Your looking way too far into what's very obviously stungun trying to joke around, his "silly things" are just filler for his posts. Other than that, I'll have to look through RC's ISO again to get a feel for how aggressive he was actually being.

Also, and I know this sounds kinda shitty, but I think the replace out is pretty town. I can't imagine scum getting that frustrated at another player for scum-reading them.

[callforjudgement]

ceejayvinoya has been prodded.

Vote Count

Not_Mafia

(3): stungun0404, Not_Mafia, Gosrir Elmer Odels

stungun0404

(1): UnrealSeal

UnrealSeal

(1): Mohab500

Not voting

(3): northsidegal, Creature, ceejayvinoya

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[stungun0404]

this game is too hard for me.

It's actually quite easy: First we lynch either you or stungun. If your town, then stungun's mafia and vice versa. Creature is confscum.

Let me revoke my stance of you being conftown, because my theory

completely

relied on you being a newbie, which you stated is NOT the case in your post 156.

And, in fact, I'll let it be known that I despise of posts like this early in the game. Not only are you dictating this lynch, but also the one that follows it. Consider the case where you're scum, both RC and I are town, and we follow this gameplan. We town are endgamed, so all we did was follow the path it would take for you to escape with a scum victory. So I have to say

hell no

to logic like this. We lynch someone because they are scummy, not because 2 people are simply at odds with each other in the thread and

you

find them both scummy.

Saying all this in case I am lynched or nk'd; in that instance please refer back to this

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