Pick Your Power: Double Deck (GAME OVER)

[Maxous]

Grey needs to submit the kill on Kison before the 48hr mark so scum don't kill him in advance.

Kison flips scum = Dunnstral and Gerry double-lynch
If Kison flips town = TWIE and idk. we would need to discuss that

[Maxous]

Look at Dunnstral's reaction to Uzi yesterday

[Maxous]

Scum that was reluctant to bus at the end-game, IMO

additonal note: I was saying this to Vecna before but early Day 1 Uzi-Vifam interactions actually look good for TWIE's slot
especially when you consider how reluctant uzi was to bus sinking ship Maria

[Maxous]

oh yeah also Fishy:

thoughts on Uzi and Vifam both picking no.12 in the draft?

[Maxous]

Kison voted Uzi when he was already being wagoned for a fairly weak reason.

I actually remember me and Titus discussing that.

could be bussing whereas i doubt the Uzi-Vifam thing was.

Uzi seems like someone that would absolutely not bus on day 1

[Maxous]

i've been through way worse Day 1's but OK.

we do need to sort the Dunnstral thing out though

[Maxous]

I would not be shocked if maxous were scum

Have you explained a single read in this game?

[Maxous]

Kison's absence makes me more confident he's flipping scum here

[Maxous]

yup

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Maxous]

additonal note: I was saying this to Vecna before but early Day 1 Uzi-Vifam interactions actually look good for TWIE's slot
especially when you consider how reluctant uzi was to bus sinking ship Maria

could be bussing whereas i doubt the Uzi-Vifam thing was.

Uzi seems like someone that would absolutely not bus on day 1

i'll try and get a more in-depth read later though

- -

points against Dunnstral:

a) he had a bad reaction to both Uzi and Kison wagons. Telling us to shoot Gerry instead of Kison for example
b) still think the Davesaz kill implicates him
c) Uzi was supposed to shoot Dunnstral but shoots SpyreX instead. Didn't want to shoot a buddy?
d) Dunn's OMGUS pushes on Menno, Math and Gerry have been very poor
e) he has been repeatedly asked to give basic explaination of reads but has never delivered

[Maxous]

a) he had a bad reaction to both Uzi and Kison wagons.

I was saying I thought it could be kison before you were even contributing to the game.

Yeah, you soft bussed him but then hard pushed Gerry.
That's kinda the point.
Also your very soft bus on Uzi before ignoring him and again hard push Gerry.

I think you are scum that seen the endgame and didn't want to realistically bus.

[Maxous]

Gerry, did you send Uzi some fruit on Night 2?

[Maxous]

I don't mind losing if gerry is town

why are you so sure Gerry is scum?

you never convincingly answered this.

[Maxous]

i'm re-reading Day 3 - The Maria lynch - and frankly I think it suggests Gerry!town

particularly when he refused to vote Maria and voted Uzi instead.

that makes so little sense as scum to me

[Maxous]

DAY 3 VOTECOUNT #6

MariaR

(10)

- Dunnstral, kraska77,

Kison, Lil Uzi Vert

,

gigabyteTroubadour

, Vecna, drealmerz7, Fishythefish,

SpyreX, Transcend

Kison

(2)

-

Titus

,

MariaR

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

- gerryoat

Not Voting (7)

-

Vedith, milkshake, davesaz

, Maxous,

McMenno

, TheWayItEnds

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

there is 100% a third scum on this Maria wagon.

very possibly a fourth

Kison and Uzi threw Maria under the bus early. I would guess it was discussed the night before in the scum PT

[Maxous]

Kison I'm not ascums areu a scums

No way, I'm the town champ.

UNVOTE: SpyreX
VOTE: MariaR

VOTE: Kison

again, early Vifam interactions with flipped scum look good

[Maxous]

i'm mulling over my Fishy read tbh.

his reaction to maria wasn't that great actually.

He did hard-push Uzi instead of Kison yesterday which would give him town-points though.

and his neighbourhood stuff with me has been quite town including his card-rigging for cop investigations.

what do you think about kraska in retrospect, Dunn? <==

anybody can answer this question

[Maxous]

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #28

Lil Uzi Vert

(5)

-

SpyreX

, Fishythefish,

Kison

,

milkshake, Titus

Transcend

(5)

-

McMenno, gigabyteTroubadour,

kraska77, Maxous,

Jackel98

Drone

(4)

- Vifam,

MariaR

,

Vedith, Transcend

Vedith

(3)

-

davesaz,

gerryoat,

rb

Jackel98

(1)

- Vecna

rb

(1)

- drealmerz7

milkshake

(1)

-

Creature

MariaR

(1)

-

Drone

Not Voting (2)

Dunnstral,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #29

Drone

(9)

- Vifam,

MariaR

,

Vedith, Transcend, Titus

, Vecna,

gigabyteTroubadour

, Fishythefish,

Lil Uzi Vert

Transcend

(4)

-

McMenno

, kraska77, Maxous,

Jackel98

Lil Uzi Vert

(3)

-

SpyreX

,

Kison

,

milkshake

Vedith

(2)

-

davesaz

, gerryoat

Vecna (1)

-

Creature

rb

(1)

- drealmerz7

MariaR (1)

-

Drone

Not Voting (2)

Dunnstral,

rb

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT #32

Drone

(12)

- Vifam,

MariaR

,

Vedith, Titus

, Vecna,

gigabyteTroubadour

, Fishythefish,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

milkshake

, kraska77,

Transcend, McMenno

Transcend

(3)

- Maxous,

Jackel98

, gerryoat

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

-

SpyreX

,

Kison

Vedith

(1)

-

davesaz

Vecna

(1)

-

Creature

rb

(1)

- drealmerz7

MariaR

(1)

-

Drone

Not Voting (2)

Dunnstral,

rb

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

[Maxous]

kraska looking worse

[Maxous]

did someone verify getting a neighborhood on each of maxous' claimed neighborizing cards?

i neighbourised with my Ah once and my 3h twice

[Maxous]

dunnstral is not trying at all either and to me that feels more likely to be laying-low scum at this point

I've noticed Dunn is trying to give as little reads as possible when questioned.
it's possibly out of fear of giving away his last buddy.

[Maxous]

Some points for consideration:
-grey vigging titus, who was scumreading and pushing both kison and gerry hard. Ive been townreading the slot for the longest of times, and I fully aplauded the Titus kill at the time, but with the flip information this makes even more sense as a scum play.

hmm yeah.

possible.

yeah, i think i'll be voting Grey after Dunnstral tbh.
I remember not being super-hot on kraska around day 2 and the rb kill/transcend-tunneling.
I'm not sure who else i would vote for anyway.

[Maxous]

77 - -Grey- - Kd, 8h, 10h
5 - gerryoat KH, KC, 3D
5 - Fishythefish 4c, Js (gone), 2c (gone)
13 - Maxous - Ah, 3h, 5h
17 - drealmerz7 - 9h, 3h
2 - Vecna - Ad, 6d
2 - Dunnstral - 2d, 4s, 7h
12 - TWIE 5c, 9c (missed 8s)

@fishy:

i don't see your cards argument...who is left in the game that has pro-scum cards?

[Maxous]

dunnstral is not trying at all either and to me that feels more likely to be laying-low scum at this point

I've noticed Dunn is trying to give as little reads as possible when questioned.
it's possibly out of fear of giving away his last buddy.

No, I said to give some time

and you have it.

we're not quick-lynching anybody

[Maxous]

@fishy: i don't see your cards argument...who is left in the game that has pro-scum cards?

By "card information", I meant cards and their resulting actions. Many people in the game have taken some pretty protown actions (Dunn, Vecna) and/or attempted to take cards that make more sense for town (Dunn, you, drealmer, Grey). This figures quite heavily in my reads.

yeah but that's 7 out of 8 players
at least one of them has to be scum so the cards thing will only go so far.

:shrug:

[Maxous]

go ahead

i'm listening

[Maxous]

yeah, i think i'll be voting Grey after Dunnstral tbh.

Sure, vote the guy that's been screaming for Dunnstral's head... after lynching Dunnstral.

That makes all kinds of sense.

I'm thinking the Scum is Dunnstral and Maxous.

a) you haven't
b) i've been vocally anti-Dunnstral since the Davesaz kill so if you think i'm scum with Dunn that defence doesn't roll anyway

[Maxous]

Meh.
I think Gerry is a cop-out option personally.
The easy lynch

[Maxous]

Meh.
I think Gerry is a cop-out option personally.
The easy lynch

Nothing easy about it

Also funny, since you're pushing me

Why is it funny

[Maxous]

So..Fishy in other words?

Actually, why is Fishy voting Gerry instead of me?

[Maxous]

Hey maxous, should I self vote?

Sure

[Maxous]

I think he's caught scum flinging around a bunch of accusations to confuse association tells anyway

I'm ready for a hammer

[Maxous]

so much AtE in this game

i'm officially ignoring it because at least one of you has to be scum pulling this like Maria and Uzi did

[Maxous]

Honestly this shouldn't of been talked about at all

[Maxous]

Dunn should be lynched today regardless.
I don't have to kept alive today although I don't think anyone given an actual reason why I'm scum apart from a general process of elimination.

[Maxous]

That's the million dollar question.

I was thinking grey but not so much at the moment...which would leave Fishy perhaps.

Vecna - absolutely not
Dreal - absolutely not.
Gerry - I've looked at him a lot but it's genuinely hard to see him as partners with the flipped scum.
Vifam/TWIE - not as confident as Gerry but again hard to see this slot as partners.
Maybe it's just Kraska/Grey.
I've said before that Kraska's interactions with the flipped scum aren't that great.
I wouldn't put it pass Fishy to completely fool me though.

[Maxous]

You mean the card draws?
Didn't even think about it actually.
I suppose that's a good point

[Maxous]

Ugh.
Yeah, I suppose. Seems kinda pointless.

Who's fooling me then?

[Maxous]

Because I feel like Maria was pretty shitty to him and I don't think she would of treated a buddy like that...unless they REALLY don't like each-other in the PT.

Plus Giga and Fishy have said he's absolute town.
I could be over-reading into that stuff but regardless I won't be voting him today unless there is a convincing case as to why I should

[Maxous]

I wonder if another scum fake claimed cards and they were afraid of drawing a 9.
Or they were afraid of drawing a 5 i.e. a watcher.
..Actually the 9 seems more likely.
Who has cards that haven't been proven?

[Maxous]

The kill makes me feel a little better about Fishy because the reality is if Fishy or I are scum then Vecna would likely be dead.
We couldn't of known who Vecna targeted.

[Maxous]

I wonder if another scum fake claimed cards and they were afraid of drawing a 9.
Or they were afraid of drawing a 5 i.e. a watcher.
..Actually the 9 seems more likely.
Who has cards that haven't been proven?

Hey; why are you still voting me?

Because I think you're scum and I want you lynched.
I wasn't aware of the rule 13 but the scum-team sure as hell would of asked the mods in the PT before they made that kill

[Maxous]

To elaborate a little more: if fishy or I are scum then we could of easily just waited until the night period to make the kill.
Because why not?
Any WIFOM that we were scum because of no day kill would of been weaksauce at best

[Maxous]

Why would scum bother to frame you, Dunn?

[Maxous]

Maybe the scum were trying to be too smart for their own good

[Maxous]

Kinda yeah.
Was more referring to making a sub-optimal night kill, in my opinion, but I don't buy the whole framing Dunnstral thing.
There was absolute no need to, he was being lynched anyway.
It would possibly make sense if it was a 'chance your arm' move to get heat OFF Dunn.

[Maxous]

not entirely comfortable with the 1 vs 1 lock in, gonna be honest

[Maxous]

What's our option on no-lynching and just getting the Dunnstral flip?

[Maxous]

Maybe a confirmed alignment would help analysis?

[Maxous]

Particularly if he flips scum

[Maxous]

uhhh

that's a hammer.

[Maxous]

I think it's Fish and Dreal.
I agree it's ridiculous.

@Gerry:

you want to get in here and start fucking obvtowning to make this easy?

[Maxous]

We don't need mass quotes.
Just a properly explained basis for the 100% town read in a lylo situation.
"Just trust me " isn't cutting it

[Maxous]

you know what, Fishy.

if you're scum, you can have your win

[Maxous]

i'm not voting you

[Maxous]

Vecna, are we going for Dreal or Gerry?

[Maxous]

Pedit: cheers, Max. I'm really, really not scum. Also, nor is dreal! If you end up in LYLO with him, do not vote for him.

so you want me to vote for Vecna?

that's gonna kill my soul

[Maxous]

well dreal is lynchproof so no point arguing about that

Dreal seems to want Gerry lynched,
Fishy does.

Vecna, you on board?
If yes then let's just bite the bullet and get it over with.

[Maxous]

we all in agreement about Gerry then?

[Maxous]

alright, we agreed.

if we're gonna lose then let's just get it over with

VOTE: Gerryoat

[Maxous]

Yeah, well done guys.

I think scum just outplayed town for most of the game.
Sometimes you just gotta put your hands up.

[Maxous]

I feel like protective roles were a little too useless, hoopla.
Only balance critique I would have

[Maxous]

Because I feel like Maria was pretty shitty to him and I don't think she would of treated a buddy like that...unless they REALLY don't like each-other in the PT.

LOL KISON LUV DREALS BITCHING BECAME USEFUL

oh, just got round to this

*sigh*

i guess that's pretty funny in retrospect.
it was the single biggest reason i townread him and all

Spoiler:

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