Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over

[Nachomamma8]

Do you think he might not be a neighborizer at all? Though that would be risky as hell since he didn't know Mala's role at the time.

That was my thought, yeah.

[Nachomamma8]

Town QT cop can find at least one confirmed town in the virgin. The rest of the neighborizers seem to only have one hit by D2, meaning there's the potential for the town QT cop to get innocents on 7 players, minus however many town were neighborized and + however many neighborizers neighborize the virgin.

Like its a hell of a lot more useful than a tracker. It makes sense as an investigative role, and if no others come forward to counterclaim Mala is pretty much confirmed town. It doesn't make as much sense as a scum investigative role, and it doesn't make sense as scum with any of the neighborizers (because wtf kind of scum power is that). So...

[Nachomamma8]

But so are all the neighborizers, right?

[Nachomamma8]

...Not enough what?
And, why would I know this is a mod hosting her second game?
And, what does it have to do with anything?

The theory shook my townread on you at first, but then I remembered this is Elyse's second game and she probably wouldn't come up with something as crazy as that; what she's done thus far with the neighborizers and the QT cop is enough craziness on its own.

I am tired so mostly read to keep up, but townread on ooba and Mirari gets strengthened in the last 6 pages or so.

[Nachomamma8]

I am tired so mostly read to keep up, but townread on ooba and Mirari gets strengthened in the last 6 pages or so.

For what reason?

Probably the same reason I think you two look better: there's a tag-team energy to your most recent posting that wasn't present earlier.

And that tag team energy was formed in a town-ooba looking way; when he was scum, he setup speculated only a *tiny, tiny* bit and came to the conclusion he wanted to push for scum purposes fairly quickly. As town, he formed some decent looking hypothesis, I got to see his thought process, and you did it together!

There should be one of those in {Nacho, ika}

I've been around the block quite a few times, so not I.

1/ Nachomamma still not scumhunting.

I'm pushing people I suspect.
I'm defending people I don't suspect.
How else do you expect me to scumhunt?

4/ Both of the above's early strong defending of Malakittens with objectively stupid arguments.

I could go around this merry go round again but you probably don't want me to.

Virgins claiming narrows down power roles very hard and it's not at all worth confirming the theory.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm pushing people I suspect.

I have very bad news for you. I do not doubt for one minute you are telling the truth here, but it appears all those posts you made, at least those where you are pushing someone, have dissappeared into the void. They are now probably in a galaxy far-far away and have taken the form of Zsngrhl'ghlok-excrements, unfit for human reading material at this point in time.

Could you remind me who you've been pushing and how, before this dreadful anomaly took place?

Shock and gasp I have my vote on penguin and currently want penguin dead, and have put forward thoughts as to why I want penguin dead.

Virgins claiming narrows down power roles very hard and it's not at all worth confirming the theory.

Yet you have no qualms with claiming you're NOT a virgin.

Claiming a virgin is equivalent to claiming being useless.
Claiming not a virgin is not that same thing.

[Nachomamma8]

I repeat my question, to everyone:
Is there flavor in your abilities?

...

[Nachomamma8]

Neighbors have confirmed that they have QTs in place already, which makes me like the idea of having them neighborize one another to aid in sorting.

Virgin-hunting seems less useful. Flavor-wise it's possible to have multiple virgins, but it's pretty speculative, plus given that all the neighborizers that have claimed work differently, it's likely that multiple virgins would work differently as well.

All neighborize mala the likely target of protection for confirmations sake.

[Nachomamma8]

Can we stop guessing what he will claim before he actually ends up claiming?

[Nachomamma8]

It wasn't a useful question, thus no useful answer.

Second bit surprises me. Why do you think Whiskers is scum again?

[Nachomamma8]

Most wagons are vetted and cleared to go through, although if another virgin claims there's about an 80% chance I will lynch grim groove.

[Nachomamma8]

You can't lynch shit even if you wanted to.

What's the point of this again?

[Nachomamma8]

You can't lynch shit even if you wanted to.

What's the point of this again?

Just telling you to stop talking big about lynching me if you don't have a single argument to back that up. You're posturing and that makes you look very scummy.

If I don't have a single argument to back that up? I was trying to draw ika into claiming virgin because it seemed he was sort of expected to do so but I was starting to doubt the virgin claim into the end of the day. I can post to support my suspicions; I just don't think that you're scum despite lackluster posting.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho wHo are you willing to lynch today

You or penguin and maybe even ika.
Not willing to lynch outside those three, though.

[Nachomamma8]

Yeah it is and it's incredibly frustrating

[Nachomamma8]

I dont get the ika lynch. Seems to me like the entire reasoning on him is 'has a chance of being a lying scum virgin'.

Ifvwe really go by setup spec then i dpnt see why we arent lynching from the nei pool, whiskers first.

What is your theory on whiskers-scum again?

[Nachomamma8]

Is that why all you've done lately is ask for arguments?

[Nachomamma8]

@ Mirari

wrt Post 2009...why am I sketchy?
 

@ Whiskers

wrt Post 2071...why at the Neighborizors all being viewed as anti-town roles? 
Because Mala ~can see they have a QT and QT automatically = anti-town?  Or some other reason?
 
@ Desp wrt Post 2134...ok. 
 
Kind of don't like Whisker's posts at the top of page 88 that question the utility of a QT cop.  Not that it's wrong to think it out...but she goes on a bit more than I think is necessary.
 

@ Whiskers

wrt Post 2197...that's wrong.  A town QT cop is more valuable than a scum QT cop because wtf would scum care who the neighbors were and who they might have neighbored?  Whereas a town QT cop (as has been mentioned several times already iirc) can catch people in a lie.  Unless every person on the scum team has claimed neighbor...then there are players out there who would come back to a town QT cop investigation has having a posivive result...and have some explaining to do.  I will probably neighbor but it will only be on other neighbors.  I think it is in our best interest to minimize the number of players who are claimed to be in QTs to maximize Mala's chance (if telling the truth) of finding someone with a QT who didn't fess up to it.  Your inability to see this is concerning.
 
@ Desp wrt Post 2312...very minimal paraphrasing.  Just enough to make me feel like I wasn't breaking a rule.
 
Not sharing shos' high praise of ooba's bucket theory.
 
Why would there be a scum virgin?  Since scum (IMO) would have a QT to begin with...to say a scum couldn't be neighborized because they were a virgin would be giving them an inordinate amount of town cred.  Though...if the QT Cop is legit and decided to investigate a virgin (which is only GG atm...correct?) and the virgin had a QT...that would be a pretty bad result for the ~virgin.

OK...read up again...for the moment.  I'm sure I'll be several pages behind again before I know it.
 
Not a fan of ika's posting.
 
VOTE: ika
 
I still have a hard time believing there are three town neighborizors and if I had to lean towards one being scum...it's still be Matt.  But not by much.
 
I do not plan on neighborizing any of the unknowns.

This post is seriously lacking in anything interesting.

[Nachomamma8]

Btw i find it funny that you said nothing can be said about my post and then you post a lifelong wall of china aboit it

This has nothing to do with anything.

[Nachomamma8]

It seems that none of my scumreads (whis, mat, mal) are viable lynches. It also seems that many people are voting ika for reasons i cannot parse. This feels like the wagon is full with sheep and scum; not a single person defends that slot(apart for me, i guess you can say that), not even ika himself...

I truly believe we shoild be lynching from the nei pool; 2 of those 3 are in my scumlist, AND it fits with the setup spec, so yeah.

Dunno when deadline is, but we should plan night actions as best as possible, and well - lynch scum preferably lol

Matt is probably the least bad of all of these lynches, but still wanting a Mala lynch is just weird, which explains why no one wants to join you on it. Scum don't want to jump on such a horrible wagon, town see its a horrible wagon.

[Nachomamma8]

Eh not really liking that ika wagon

Simple solution: come join the penguin wagon instead!

[Nachomamma8]

She would totally be lazy as fuck and waste all of D1 tunnelling on someone based on rote confirmation bias.

Sure, but her scum tunneling usually doesn't take such a weird turn. Accusing him of cyberstalking in particular didn't really seem like lazy scum mollie tunneling for stupid reasons.

[Nachomamma8]

Is that why all you've done lately is ask for arguments?

What more do you require of me?

Nothing at all.

[Nachomamma8]

Shos, here's a good one. I was going to wait for Fitz. He neighborized me. I'd presume he neighborize someone without a QT. What does it gain us to neighborize ourselves? That is why I voted him. I wanted an answer to that. I mean, we could play telephone but give me a break.

If memory serves right, we have a QT cop, 3 neighborizer claimers (Whiskers {whose role allegedly works like mine}, Fitz {who I haven't seen his claim post yet} and me), watcher, and a commuter. It wouldn't surprise me if one of the neighborizer claimers was scum.

ISOing my predecessor in a long game makes sense when you don't have time to read all of it. Y'all broke the day 1 record and still didn't lynch scum. I wanted to see where MattP was considering I knew he had to be town and so did PA. Start from knowns and work outwards is how I operate.

How did you manage to pick up on all of the claims but didn't manage to pick up on the plan?

[Nachomamma8]

Whiskers? It's absolutely okay, the game won't go to hell without Wisdom, I promise.

[Nachomamma8]

I am not an alt of mollie. I am anohter being ientirely. i will admit though tit and i are somewhat similar though in level and abaility. i am still wanting to know what you want from knowing where i origonate. i can tell you post game but untill you give me good reasoning i have no intention of doing it for it is irrelivent. i will igve youthis, my home site username and this site usernames are the same.

Oh, so now you're outright refusing to answer questions? If you had done this, oh, when I'd asked the question, this would have saved us a lot of time.
That was pretty much it-- I was sneakingly suspicious that you were an alt of Mollie: Mollie replaced out, you replaced immediately in. You were a brand,

brand

new account. You seemed to have about the same skill level of Mollie. And while I'm not so egotistical to think that Mollie replaced out because of me, I

am

egotistical enough to think that, it might be her style to replace back in using an alternate account, if she wanted to play the game and was worried about me bullying her and "stalking" her, that would fix it. Right?

Anyway, like I said, seeing you all together in a game makes me more-sure that you aren't an alt of her (that'd break the rules).

Anyway, I'm not going to waste

my

precious time trawling the internet looking for your homesite. Since you don't (or, didn't) know why I wanted it, there was no way of knowing if it were "irrelevant".

But, since it was "irrelevant", why is it the

only

thing you comment on, coming back into the game? You've been gone for about 200 posts. Since you wanted to "see what you missed", that

one

thing is

THE

MOST-IMPORTANT thing, The MOST-

RELEVANT

Thing?


CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME, WHY WE DID

NOT

LYNCH THIS YESTERDAY??

i only commented what i needed to say. i have my reasons for not saying much else but i will hold off on that. just about everyone here expects me to bend over and listen to this site meta and how they play. well heres some info, im not going to do that, im going to play how i play all the time and go with it.

The problem isn't that we want you to bow down to site meta and worship it or some shit, the problem is that you're being absolutely useless and doing morning so far, which is typically not a town tell in any site meta anywhere. I mean, Titus does things when she plays, so I'd assume you would too. Do things.

[Nachomamma8]

Ika, what the fuck are you doing? Meta is fucking wothless, especially with the special roles there. You should be sharing this in case you misunderstand something, such as roleblockers not being loud.

Our homesite is sc2mafia.com. Eat until your heart's content.

VOTE: ika

I can interpret ikaisms but you must try. I don't give two shits about site meta either, but you have got to try.

I actually don't understand why you're voting ika here.

[Nachomamma8]

I'd see someone in the Mafia QT filling Titus in on the plan of 'neighbourize mala or none at all' plan - plus earlier read of MattP=town does nothing to change that read

Regarding the 'Let's lynch neighbours' plan - I think it's a bad idea. Mod's already shown one red herring by dropping a virgin type association and not making Hestia fit the mould - so playing to mod-outguessing of 'one must be scum' might put us in trouble. I'm still wary of fitz but I can see all three of them being town. I'd rather focus on the others segment. [Unless Elyse went the other way and made two neighbourizers scum but I'll say unlikely and pass it on]

2756 sounds extremely harsh from Mala. -> As in harsh to the level where it feels fabricated and not true emotions.

"I am not an alt of mollie. I am anohter being ientirely. i will admit though tit and i are somewhat similar though in level and abaility. i am still wanting to know what you want from knowing where i origonate. i can tell you post game but untill you give me good reasoning i have no intention of doing it for it is irrelivent. i will igve youthis, my home site username and this site usernames are the same." -> another being or not, the spelling mistakes in this post is also faked. This isn't as suspicious as the above one from mala.

Vote: Mala

The watcher flip makes the QT cop claim a bit strange, but I think that ignoring the sheer number of QTs in this game and the weird mechanic of them would be a mistake. I don't really see why else Elyse would make this the case (unless she was looking to center the game around a role such as QT cop), so I don't think watcher flip is enough to make that a scum claim quite yet. I mean, even if Mala knew about the neighborhoods beforehand, the claim would still be creative as hell and a pretty impressive thing to pull off, don't you think?

[Nachomamma8]

I was also think about the Aesthetic part of the flip, and I believe in ooba's three virgin theory more than I did before, just implemented in a different way... Three people who are immune to neighborization in different ways: one by being Aesthetic, one by being a Virgin, and one by being a commuter, perhaps? I don't believe the setup is as easy as one scum in the virgins, one scum in neighborizers, and one scum in the others, although that would be elegant, but I believe there is a possibility of it and now am doubly looking forward to the grim groove slot investigation.

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: Whiskers

This vote seems more geared towards Whiskers being obnoxious as opposed to Whiskers being scum, which isn't a good vote.

[Nachomamma8]

Actually, for the record, I

could

probably argue with the rest of Mala's post. I don't really see the point, it's mostly discussion. I'll probably be able to use it in an attack later, although I'm not sure why I'd bother, since everybody is all "Oooh, Mala's a conf-town role!"

Mala is a mostly town role with mostly town play so I see no reason to pursue her wagon right now, considering she's going to have to start producing results come tomorrow.

[Nachomamma8]

Assuming all players are town (since we don't know which are and aren't; Schrodinger's cat), who should scum have killed last night?
This is a question that everybody feeling bold can feel free to answer.

Wisdom.

[Nachomamma8]

Assuming all players are town (since we don't know which are and aren't; Schrodinger's cat), who should scum have killed last night?
This is a question that everybody feeling bold can feel free to answer.

this was the first post i quickly saw when i came back so before i answer this question, i want to ask you the very same question. i always find it that if someone ask a question in fm like this they should be the first to answer it.

If I answer it first, any subsequent answers become completely useless to me (the person who asked), since I've given away "the right answer."

But I'm not sure why I'm explaining this to you, who refuses to answer any question. It's not like, if I explain it, you'll adapt your playstyle in a pro-town way.

Vote: ika

I predict that, with my vote on this wagon, other players will begin hopping off.

ya becasue i am town and just about everyone is using mollie as the reason to get a myslynch off me. that is itself is bad reasoing.

The second piece of reasoning that is being used is that you have continued to do absolutely nothing, which is pretty much the reason you're ruining the townread I had on mollie. All you had to do was come in and push someone, anyone, and sound vaguely convincing while doing it and I honestly wouldn't consider pushing you today. But right now you're not doing even that, so how could anyone be reading you as anything but scum?

[Nachomamma8]

My opinion of Titus is pretty much going to be decided on what ika flips, for the record. As of now, I still lean town on him, but a few more posts like the one we've seen so ad and I'm sure it won't take to long until that townread is shot to shot.

Vote: havingfitz

What are your reads? Yesterday your scumreads were Titus, ika, and myself, with everyone too town to vote to avoid a no lynch: are those your thoughts today?

[Nachomamma8]

The watcher flip makes the QT cop claim a bit strange, but I think that ignoring the sheer number of QTs in this game and the weird mechanic of them would be a mistake. I don't really see why else Elyse would make this the case (unless she was looking to center the game around a role such as QT cop), so I don't think watcher flip is enough to make that a scum claim quite yet. I mean, even if Mala knew about the neighborhoods beforehand, the claim would still be creative as hell and a pretty impressive thing to pull off, don't you think?

Yeah, unless

it's her actual role

, except scum.

Mala is a mostly town role with mostly town play so I see no reason to pursue her wagon right now, considering she's going to have to start producing results come tomorrow.

What, you don't expect an "oh, I was roleblocked!" and a couple of "oops, I investigated the player who is dead now!"
Not to mention the, "Aha! [Scum partner] has no QT, so is cleared and conf-town!"

Her "mostly town play" might just be debatable.

To the first point: QT cop has no utility to scum because delayed neighborizers seriously kind of suck if we're all being honest with each other.

The second point is a problem with all cop claims. But it doesn't mean all cop claims are scum (minus the investigating a dead player part, that's just scummy as fuck and if Mala claims that I will powerlynch her to the ends of the earth).

[Nachomamma8]

Whiskers: If I claim cop that claimed player X, what information do I need in order to do so? Knowledge of alignments, right? Scum don't need that knowledge in order to clear their scumbuddies because they already have it. Hence, a role that allows them to clear scumbuddies is useless because they can clear scumbuddies without it.

The QT Cop doesn't hurt town. Using the neighborizers hurts the QT Cop, the QT Cop hurts the neighborizers. Both roles are mutually antitown if they are both town, but both offer different benefits. For scum QT cop, using neighborizers HELPS the QT Cop (oh hey you have a QT, you're probably scum), but is utterly useless for doing anything except for outing neighborizers, which is dumb. Neighborizers are cool, but not that strong. They are certainly not significant threats to scum over something like a watcher.

[Nachomamma8]

The watcher flip makes the QT cop claim a bit strange, but I think that ignoring the sheer number of QTs in this game and the weird mechanic of them would be a mistake. I don't really see why else Elyse would make this the case (unless she was looking to center the game around a role such as QT cop), so I don't think watcher flip is enough to make that a scum claim quite yet. I mean, even if Mala knew about the neighborhoods beforehand, the claim would still be creative as hell and a pretty impressive thing to pull off, don't you think?

But I disagree with this. Mala probably did not lie about the role - and Elyse designed this around QTs and QT cop - yes but no reason to not have made the QT cop scum. Let me think about this a bit more.

For fakeclaim purposes perhaps, but otherwise...

[Nachomamma8]

How is asking who Sosh is bad? I didn't know Titus misspelt your name. I thought something else. Good god I don't see how that post by it self makes you want to lynch me. In fact it's stupid. Had Titus went Sohs I would have realized but the spelling was beyond noticeable and thought maybe it was something else.

Someone attacked you because you asked who Sosh was? Little distracted at the moment, but what.

[Nachomamma8]

Assuming all players are town (since we don't know which are and aren't; Schrodinger's cat), who should scum have killed last night?
This is a question that everybody feeling bold can feel free to answer.

I'd kill wisdom too. he was vocal, he was unstable, and was nowhere near getting lynched. also, with the current role count, killing mala could wait, all the others don't harm, so picking a kill from the unclaimed pool was probably a good idea. I hope they didn't get the best kill they could..

Assuming all players are town (since we don't know which are and aren't; Schrodinger's cat), who should scum have killed last night?
This is a question that everybody feeling bold can feel free to answer.

this was the first post i quickly saw when i came back so before i answer this question, i want to ask you the very same question. i always find it that if someone ask a question in fm like this they should be the first to answer it.

why would you say that? I'd say exactly the opposite, asking such a question is probably in order to examine the answers. giving your own answer first might lead to sheeping of it, copying reasons, etc. post 2802 has a good point ika - you should start playing the game as we do. when in rome, act like roman; I don't give a fuck about your homesite, if you're not going to do shit here my gut will stop stopping me from voting you

your posts contain lots of shit about playstyle, people liking others and not caring and not changing etc and it might be all good and well but these are discussions not for the game and meanwhile you're doing shit here and I wanna vote you

@Nacho 2809, that's really NOT an impressive claim. considering the fact that three QT related claims were out in the open before mala claimed, it would be reaaaaaly neat. And should I mention the HOORI-FUCKING-BLE 'crumb' that mala supposedly used? that claim is terrible, was terrible and now it is much worse with wisdom's flip.

VOTE: mala.

and the aestetic & commuter don't make it BETTER, they make it WORSE. because these are not only roles tat cannot be neighbourized - they are also roles that cannot be INVESTIGATED. as in, if mala targetted them, she would recieve 'no result', not 'no qt'. assuming three neighbourizers, three scum, possible overlap betweent he groups, then there are 5 people starting with a QT, possibility that more are added, 2 people who are immune to investigation, and all the rest- can be neighbourized, and probably will in a completely random game with no massclaim D1. ADD THE FACT that the claim is DELAYED qt cop, and that role is freaking bullshit. add to that the play which is scummy even regardless, and not protown almost at all, this is a very good D2 lynch imo, and when it flips scum, we will see what the role actually is and decide later what we do regarding the neighbourizers. should mala actually flip *town*, I'd be quite in shock, but that would mean that there's *gotta* be scum in the neighbourizers, and town should invest its powers in finding that thing.

@nacho: how strong actually was your townread on mollie via meta? I know you guys played like a hundred games together, but mollie's play was oof, and she didn't post very much, and ika makes that slot a very possible lynch as well.

^^^nachomamma is currently my strongest townread.

:O :O :O :O :O
holy momma whiskers has a good observation in 2816. that role could be scum! it makes even more sense!!
and,

mala

, remember when you said there were lovers?? can you please restate what you think about that part???

@Shos: my read on mollie-town was fairly strong, but not as strong as it usually was. In this game, mollie made a pretty strong push on Whiskers for reasons that essentially equalled "the way Whiskers is treating me is for outside of the game reasons like she knows me and is cyberstalking me". I have seen mollie scum try many things, but generally singling a random player out and being obnoxious to them isn't her style as scum; she plays around people that she knows are able to read her and will most likely make or break her lynch. In Hidden Temple, she played around Majiffy, was pretty actively manipulating him the whole game until they needed his mislynch. When she plays off site, she usually emulates her town meta as closely as possible and goes for "fake paranoia" angle, discredits those who can play with her, etc. What happened here was definitely 100% not that.

I think the majority of your case on Mala is getting lost in tunnel vision,though (for example, the whole Sosh point). Why not vote having fitz? When did I become your strongest townread and why?

[Nachomamma8]

How is asking who Sosh is bad? I didn't know Titus misspelt your name. I thought something else. Good god I don't see how that post by it self makes you want to lynch me. In fact it's stupid. Had Titus went Sohs I would have realized but the spelling was beyond noticeable and thought maybe it was something else.

Someone attacked you because you asked who Sosh was? Little distracted at the moment, but what.

Yes

It was a joke. Nobody "attacked" you. Shos was like, "this makes me want to lynch you soooo muuuuch", and if you're playing it off like it was a serious attack, mala, then you're scum.
I will point out though, that maybe shos just has huge confirmation bias, since he quickly found a reason to vote mala anyway.

I don't think that was a joke, Whiskers.

[Nachomamma8]

Well first off is scum shot me while being their scumbuddy is really a bitchy move, but I think you meant why wouldn't scum shoot Mala if she is town? First, we don't know what type of powahs scum have. They could have a roleblock that could block me until that said person dies and then kill me. Second, they could be unsure if there's a doc and a kill on me with a protection is a shot they could have used elsewhere. Thirdly, they can be banking on town disbelieving the claim and using me as a free mislynch.

I just wanted one because it would help me to COMMUNICATE to someone so I can actually have help to see what would be the best plan in play to use my ability on. I'm not a robot and I'm not perfect. Having two heads is better than one and it would probably be more accurate then me randomly using my ability.

I don't have a result today. I'm delayed and can't use my role until N2.

Wisdom was more of a town-leader or they could have shot him because his reads might be right. We don't know. When an obv town player is NK it's more WIFOM territory than anything.

Shos - I already explained why I thought there was lovers. My whole role pm is flavored around 'love' I took the lovers at actual value instead of taking it at face value. I'm not going to try and explain where you can just read back to the post i explained and understand it from there.

I doubt scum have a roleblocker, FWIW. The big reason for Wisdom being Aesthetic is so that he couldn't be protected when he claimed, which wouldnt be that big of a deal if scum had a roleblocker to block him instead of killing him or blocking the doctor to break up the unbreakable watch/doc combo.

[Nachomamma8]

True, I have my suspicious of Whiskers. I see a scum thought process in how she approached her claim (assuming she'd be the same as the other neighborizer {she probably intended to mirror}. My biggest concern is that her play is sloppy as scum and I don't see her play as sloppy. Before I go down that road of lynching either of you, I'd like to be certain one of you is scum, but I don't know how to make that obvious.

Play around claim would be incredibly sloppy, but his play outside of that claim would be incredibly impressive.

[Nachomamma8]

@Shos: It still counts as a fairly strong townread.

I still think town on Whiskers; my read on someone's play generally outweighs how strange their claim was as long as messing up that claim doesn't have any clear scum motivation.

[Nachomamma8]

Well first off is scum shot me while being their scumbuddy is really a bitchy move, but I think you meant why wouldn't scum shoot Mala if she is town? First, we don't know what type of powahs scum have. They could have a roleblock that could block me until that said person dies and then kill me. Second, they could be unsure if there's a doc and a kill on me with a protection is a shot they could have used elsewhere. Thirdly, they can be banking on town disbelieving the claim and using me as a free mislynch.

I just wanted one because it would help me to COMMUNICATE to someone so I can actually have help to see what would be the best plan in play to use my ability on. I'm not a robot and I'm not perfect. Having two heads is better than one and it would probably be more accurate then me randomly using my ability.

I don't have a result today. I'm delayed and can't use my role until N2.

Wisdom was more of a town-leader or they could have shot him because his reads might be right. We don't know. When an obv town player is NK it's more WIFOM territory than anything.

Shos - I already explained why I thought there was lovers. My whole role pm is flavored around 'love' I took the lovers at actual value instead of taking it at face value. I'm not going to try and explain where you can just read back to the post i explained and understand it from there.

I doubt scum have a roleblocker, FWIW. The big reason for Wisdom being Aesthetic is so that he couldn't be protected when he claimed, which wouldnt be that big of a deal if scum had a roleblocker to block him instead of killing him or blocking the doctor to break up the unbreakable watch/doc combo.

Inferences

1) We have no doc.
2) Scum have an rber
3) Mala is scum.
4) One of the above is true.

After eagle claim, looks like you're right!

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whiny? no, not at all, the whole trap is really easy to understand. if you really were a virgin, you'd just answer no, and not start running through 3000 posts in search of enlightment. funny that you added the 'half' there. GG never said anything about it.

Exactly, he never said anything else. There's more to it.

I'm the Virgin Weak Doctor. I (or Grim) protected Mala last night and Mala is confirmed town.

Makes sense now?

Eagle, you have a hell of a way of looking scummy as shit in response to reaction tests.

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Also, Wisdom is dead so reading him shouldn't be too hard.

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I don't really like the Mirari vote; she had some genuine sounding notes earlier and I remember getting a decent townread on her after everything was said and don. Let me go dig them up.

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Not liking Malakittens' defense against Wisdom either. It's got a big whiff of AtE around it.

Last time I saw Mala get emotional she basically made herself conf-town, to my scum-self's dismay. I don't think I've played with scum-Mala, oddly enough, but this isn't out of line with her town play.

mollie and AA9 apparently town-reading each other isn't surprising. AA9's confidence does look towny, and if mollie wasn't town-reading her I'd be surprised.

Oopsie daisy.
Why leave yourself out, Wisdom?

makes me not mind my vote on Mirari.

I just noticed something. Why were people so upset over my confidence in the reads I made?

She has now moved on from her reasoning to vote me because my vote is naked to a single post I made analyzing the intentions of Wisdom. This early behavior is why I have such a strong scumread on Penguin. She is really trying to read me as scum.

These posts 1, 2, 3 show what I consider typical "I don't understand" scum posts where a scum member doesn't want to give a definitive stance on something yet but feels compelled to say something on the matter.

I know penguin commented about the Nacho interaction but that is further defiance and unbending will in her reads. She doesn't want to read Nacho as town.

If what Desp says in this post are true I will be more inclined to change my read on penguin. The static reads is why I don't think she is town.

Yeah, I want to see where Mala's going with this, as she's never gone out this strongly after me before. Maybe she believes her ability to read me has improved, but I seem to recall the two of us being massively paranoid about one another in past games only for it to amount to either nothing or a blow to the town. There's been a town-Mala scum-me game completed since then, but I still think she's grandstanding.

As far as you go, Wisdom, you haven't been very interested in engaging me. You're more interested in talking about my play. Sure, you asked why I questioned ooba's AA9 vote, and then read my thought process as scummy. Your tunneling in spite of yourself reads as town-Wisdom to me, FWIW, which makes me want to give you more time to sort stuff out if you're so inclined.

Overall I think the post that this came from looks town, but these two paragraphs are handwave-y. I think penguin is trying to appease both Mala and Wisdom here.

I have not forgotten about my vote. Although Mala bugging mollie for a read on her is making me strongly consider Mala-scum.

But since that vote, penguin has done nothing of the sort trying to further my wagon's progress. She was happy with her vote just rotting on my wagon. She was busy dealing with the Mala issue. In this post penguin is very clearly keeping her options open for either a Mirari wagon or a Mala wagon.

657 988 - more "I don't understand this" to avoid forming a hard opinion that would have to be justified later.

where it takes more than one post for Mirari to explain why ooba votes are bad. It's not helpful and reads as artificial to me.

This post makes me question my read on penguin actually.

What's protown? She's 'scum-reading' the person who's voting you? Why the weird phrasing about you liking the wagon on me because she was on it, given that that was an understated characterization seeing as she's pushed it the entire game so far?

penguin is very defensive in this post that I don't think is entirely warranted. She's finally grown a will instead of being a wallflower? She's enumerated reasons for reading me as scum that I've explained, but she's still voting me because she has to if she wants to have credibility among the town.

Basically, Mirari's post reeks of confirmation-bias.

Is this more likely to come from scum all of the sudden?

It isn't dismissal. It is saying ooba has a very good penchant for reading me. I am generally very good at reading ooba. We are town reading each other. You should that into consideration as it is true.

1486 keeping her options open for a Mirari or Mala lynch. She is angry that there is no support for a Mirari wagon yet she has done relatively little to drive that wagon home. Can only be made at yourself at that point, penguin.

Why not flavor claiming at this juncture? We're basically going to get flavor from Whiskers, GG, and whoever gets run up today. Plus MattP's out there. When everyone's a god, it's less telling to scum. And since flavor seems to line up with role, it'll reduce scum shenanigans down the road.

Did you ever think people were not going to be Olympian Gods? The name of this game?

It potentially reduces the "shenanigans" that scum can pull later in game at the cost of most likely losing the majority of town's power before it can become useful.

You say MattP has no scum motive to claim--what's the town motive then? P-edit: Wisdom asked it as well, but consider this me seconding the request.

I answered this.

Yeah, Mirari, your assigned motivations are not correct. Whee.

And you're saying I am the one being dismissive?

Working from the assumption you're town, can you take another look at Mirari--ignoring the crap about whether ooba has IRL meta tells that scum-Mirari would almost certainly be able to avoid replicating here--and give me your read?

You give me much more credit than I deserve. Why? We've never played together. You're making a very large assumption about my playing skill so that I fit into your scumread.

Caught up. I'm not lynching Mala, period. Her reactions make no sense from scum, and no way scum-Mala would keep fake scum-reading me all the way to the gallows. On a less personal level, the role just makes too much sense.

MattP looks worse to me, but I'd like to see where Mirari goes.

Now that the Mala wagon has gone to Hades and back, penguin continues to support my wagon without true selling of my wagon. Oh, and she now supports a MattP lynch. Another one of her scumreads that she has not furthered.

ooba, have you actually played forum mafia with Mirari? Because I don't see any overlap in your games prior to this one on this forum, and there's a huge difference between an hour-long f2f game and a months-long text-based game.

Really trying to discredit the rapport Ooba and I have together. It won't work.

As far as neighborizers go, what about having them neighborize one another? It lets them use their roles without giving everyone a QT and so maximizes Mala's role's utility. And since there is a good chance of having a scum neighborizer, it lets the town one(s) sort the scum one(s) a bit.

What is the use of neighborhoods at this juncture? Coordination of gambits is mostly useless and they can use the game to discuss things. Allowing the neighbors to action dilutes the usefulness of Mala's role which is what we should be trying to maximize.

Yes, not neighborizing at all is also an option that's been discussed. But if supposedly three of, what, ballpark ten townies here have a PR of neighborizer and we just ignore it entirely, it seems likely to put us at a disadvantage. They could all be town, I suppose, given Mala's QT cop thing. But they're going to look worse regardless as the game progresses. Letting them help sort one another is an option.

How is that going to put as at a disadvantage? Neighborhoods are entirely dependent on the people in them. Do you think the current neighborizers are good enough to warrant weakening Mala's role? I don't think so.

How are they going to "look worse regardless"? I completely do not understand that line of thinking. If it is dictated they don't take night actions by the town, it would be dumb to hold them accountable for that.

That wasn't as bad as I thought.
I am not as set in my scum read on penguin if Desperado's point is true. Otherwise, I think (happy Wisdom?) penguin has a high chance of flipping scum.

First of all, here is Mirari case o penguin. The impressiveness of it is somewhat mitigated by Wisdom essentially pestering her to make it, but her position was pretty clearly put forward. The "backpedaling" from the claim was fine, just a bit of doubt in someone that she was trying to lynch all day. What didn't you like about it?

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Make up your mind?? It was definitely 100% not "fake paranoia," except that the whole thing was "whiskers is cyberstalking me"!?!? Pick one, maybe?

The "whiskers is cyberstalking me" bit veered a bit too heavily into the personal attack range for normal mollie scum, which would be the tactic she chose instead of her usual fake paranoia of the players who can read her best route.

What if Mala and Eagle target the same person? I'm not asking for a lengthy discussion on this (likely to reveal better plays to scum, please don't discuss at length), but this way, if one is killed, the other one can still give us a result. If they're BOTH killed, we catch a scum. On second thought, not such a great plan. Nevermind.

Yeah.

Mirari: I'm going to give you an extra few hours to let you say everything you can!

This was the scummiest part of what you pointed out, but I don't necessarily find it that big of a deal. Penguin lurked throughout the majority of the day, finally began talking, Mirari didn't want to cut her off in the middle of her talk.

^^^^ is a townread, after wisdom shot his bigass point against mala down with setup speculations regarding the lovers. The 'mala can wait, but is still scummy as hell' was a page before that. starting from this post and onwards - GG was always calling mala town, assuming mala is town, setup speccing when mala's town, etc.

one thing you convinced me is to VOTE: 1eagle1

This vote is dumb.

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HAPPY NEW YEAR

shos i am sorry but i lost all literal understanding of what you're trying to say

[Nachomamma8]

your reasons for finding baldeagle scum seem tenuous at the very very best and you're saying "fuck it, let's lynch a role which is pretty much built to die" because tenuous reasons

[Nachomamma8]

just gimmie a vote on fitzy
that's all i ask for
your vote on eagle is going to massive fucking waste because he's not getting close to lynched

[Nachomamma8]

who cares about neighborizers

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don't be offended whiskers, it's ok

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What im trying to say is that eagles claimed night actions are HORRIBLY not fitting to GGs play and thoughts, and i think he is lying about that role.

GG is an awesome player. He wouldnt suicide without a note.

Maybe he thought it was obvious that he was targetting the claimed cop as a doctor.
That seems the most logical solution.

Weak Doctor is definitely more a cop than a doctor.
I'm here. I will be posting shortly. Sorry I have not been present this day, things very chaotic for me and my family.

Doesn't mean it's invalid to treat the role like a Doctor, especially when there's a claimed cop in the game.

He isn't reading, and if he is, not very attentively.

Why do you think this? Why is not really actively following Matt a scumtell?

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Why not protect a claimed cop as a doctor?

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because YOU ARE A COP.

The role says doctor.

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So?

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The role says doctor, why can't it be used as a doctor?

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Because cop is a much stringer town utility and should be used if possible

But it's not like doc was chosen instead of cop.
They were used in tandem.

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Weak Doctor was used like a doctor. This does not make the Weak Doctor claimant scum. At all.

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who the fuck cares

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GG doesnt townhunt d1.

You have no evidence of this.
It also seems like GG had a few townreads by the end of the day, so...?

If nopony is going to help me lynch eaglescum then by all means pick your fav neighbourizer and lynch ahoy. Idek or care anymore.

Try fitz on for size.

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Holy shit, didn't notice fitz was gone for so long .
I suppose that explains why he's been avoiding the thread lately!

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Well, if there was a scum neighborizer, my guess it would be fitz.

Vote him.

What was your read on AA before Fitz-pre-claim?

Leaning town.

VOTE: nachomamma

It makes absolutely no sense for you to have me as your strongest townread then bring me down to your strongest scumread in the course of 5 votes.
What happened to looking through fitz's ISO?

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FTR, my uneasiness about Nacho was increasing due to his posts and pushing lurker wagons more of a gut thing.

What about my posts specifically?

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Fitz is a lurker, yes, but he's a scummy lurker. Have you read through his posts?

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Why would an instavote be scummy?
You also haven't looked at fit yet

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I want to wait for him to come back from V/LA.

Guess who's back?

Rather, fuck the idea that mala and mala's weak-ass role should do the investigating.

I agree 100% with this.

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I agree with general sentiment when general sentiment says that the past couple of pages suck.

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@Nacho, I changed my mind and I do not want to lynch any of the neighborizers at the moment, definitely a good idea to later in the game. I would feel more confident getting scum outside of the neighborizer pool before we look into them. I think fitz is the scummiest person in the neighborizer group, then it goes Titus then Whiskers.

@Whiskers, I follow your plan, and I'm willing to do it, but I want to make sure it's smart to do so.

@everyone, are there any objections to Whiskers's plan in 3140?

Why did you change your mind?

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Mala, if you feel that I'm being personal (beyond calling someone scummy), do call me out on that. We come to have a good time. That being said, moving back to substance.

VOTE: ika

ika is totally scum here. Town ika gets phased when I attack him. Scum ika is barely alert in this thread, despite posting elsewhere.

Could you link me to a couple ika games?

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I flipped a coin.

I was on fitz and fitz is now confirmed town.

So, if there is a scum neighborizer, it might be Titus but I want to hear from everyone about their opinion of my one-scum neighborizer theory. I would be okay with lynching one of the neighborizers since we got a scumflip yesterday (which got kind of obvious when ika kept posting everywhere and not claiming here.), and does anyone have scum meta on shos? Is it normal for him to try to push claimed PRs and not support an obv scum lynch?

Do you really think that Titus would bus ika in the way she did earlier when she's the only person with meta experience with him?

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Since we are claimed I want a mass claim stat.
Nacho first and then desperado.

Shos, it is Day 3, where is your night 2 information?

I'm a bomb; will take whoever kills me during the night to the grave with me.

PoE leaves me with Kise or Nacho.

Didn't you read the mason claim...?

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But yeah, masons make this game extraordinarily easy.
shos's claim sticks out pretty harshly, though; everyone else seems to have a pretty straightforward ability and then boom, shos. I agree that it would be the weirdest fakeclaim that I've ever seen, though.

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First, no deity so we cannot assess the validity of the claim.

I am Ares, god of war.
Kudos for the attempt to find a reason to call me scum, though.

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I prefer eagle declaring a target outright, but if he decides to roll between two people, those two people should be me and Desperado.
Eagle targetting scum and dying is not such a big deal when he says he's going to target one person (because confirmed scum), but eagle targetting scum and dying + not having a definite scumpick is an absolutely shitty situation and leads to a possible 2 mislynches - 1 scum lynch situation which isn't awesome.
A "I protected the masons" claim tomorrow is a policy lynch tomorrow.

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The mod has confirmed we do not die with each other like the lovers role. We are lovers in flavor. Hakuna matada.

Ares eh..him and Athena are into war right? Nacho pls

I'm ready to hammer. Dunno where Mirari is.

Athena isn't into war half as much as I am.

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Now that's convienent.

VOTE: Whiskers

Please out scum Titus out of her misery.

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And if Eagle dies bc Nacho is scum, you claim to have neighborized Nacho well shit...like we are taking the word of scum.

This is a fake claim.

Please.

[Nachomamma8]

I did Neighborize Nacho, like I said I would.
Sounds like Eagle is alive, too, so Nacho is town.

confirming this
additionally confirming that the neighborhood sucks as much as whiskers said it would

[Nachomamma8]

whiskers-eagle
whiskers-fitz?
whiskers-nacho?
fitz-eagle
fitz-nacho

i spy a couple of teams that are impossible

even harder on mafia by letting you know their exact roles?

and the fact that those power roles sort of fucking suck

But yeah. Desp's claim won't be proven, and his power won't be usable, until he's killed. So that seems like a reasonable way to go.

that's the thing that makes it such a town claim
i also think it's only usable for a day afterwards so I don't actually understand what you're saying here

Okay, here's what I'm thinking. We have all these town roles, so there's probably a scum RB and I'm just being really paranoid because I expected myself dead already. Scum would want me to target them so they could roleblock me and become confirmed town.

So, Nacho and fitz is not confirmed.

Funny how you bring this up when you have nowhere else to go.
Also pointing out that if scum have a roleblocker, shos is a liar so you should probably vote him if you believe that?

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@Whiskers, no. YOU CANNOT NOT ASSUME THAT FITZ AND NACHO ARE CONFIRMED TOWN AFTER I FLIP BECAUSE I STILL COULD HAVE BEEN BLOCKED.

VOTE: fitz

Shos's 3429 is pretty good.

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And eagle voting fitz. After vote count showed fitz at L-2.

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Will check back in after work.

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VOTE: whiskers

Willing to 1v1.

Unvote.

Now.

Scum can hammer and they might have daytalk.

No one fucking votes.

shos's claim means scum can't have a roleblocker
sooo

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You didnt prod me, you lying liar who lies.

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: whiskers

Willing to 1v1.

Unvote.

Now.

Scum can hammer and they might have daytalk.

No one fucking votes.

shos's claim means scum can't have a roleblocker
sooo

how do you know that?

Whiskers/Bald and Shos/Nacho are the only two viable teams

Why not you/whiskers?

You said that scum have a neighborizer and an encryptor, and there's a ninja flipped, so yeah, no roleblocker.

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no I'm trying to discredit your result. eagle does not have to be scum if whiskers flips scum.

I don't understand the role interactions you're trying to get here. for example, why can't a nacho-whiskers team be?

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Actually, why would Nacho, in a Nacho-shos scumteam, confirm that I neighborized him? Instead, just claim Whiskers is lying, and mislynch whiskers. Nacho-Whiskers makes more sense, doesn't it?

Anyway, a couple of things occurred to me. First thing was, Oh, I forgot Shos guaranteed a Neighborizer; since I'm the last neighborizer, and town, he must by lying (and so I should vote him).
Second thing though, was that, we're assuming all of the claims are true. I

still

don't like that damn bomb claim. What if, say, Desp, were a scum neighborizer? Mala died before she could get any results, the use of a roleblocker has made Eagle useless (or Eagle is lying scum, and is therefore useless regardless).

Who assumed all the claims were true?

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Usually I'd put a bomb claim in a position to help one explain how they don't get NKed. but in this game, with Eagle's claim, and the masons, nacho didn't

need

that to explain why he is alive. so that claim makes no sense as a fakeclaim.. bomb dies AND kills its killer, right?

Des is a soul or something, don't remember the name, but he claimed to be able to vote after death. that's really under the radar.
and both unconfirmable.

I probably have been a scum in lylo; but I haven't been scum in like a dozen years so starting to dig up is meh.
last scum game I can remember was multiball so I really was scumhunting...

The top paragraph is my response to Whiskers although that should have been pretty fucking obvious already.

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I'd be willing to buy Shos/Nacho, maybe, but again, why do you remove yourself from the lynchpool, desp?

@Eagle: Because that's how I do things. Generally I write

forward

, if that makes any sense. I was willing to vote fitz at that point, and then I decided, no, I wanted to unvote him and explain why. I changed my mind mid-post. And there wasn't any problem in doing it, because I was just putting him at L-1 at most, anyway. I'll admit that I was careless, and hadn't read Eagle's vote on fitz. I simply wasn't paying attention, and it was my downfall.

Sort of surprised I haven't been lynched already, I thought we had agreed that I'd be the next to go, assuming fitz flipped town.

Actually, Desp, why do you pair shos with Nacho? What's your reasoning for that?

Did you not get a pedit message? There was a VC AND A VOTE immediately before you. Thats lies.

No, eagle had already posted-- I skipped past it to make my own post. Again, it was careless.
Shos, I'm not sure if you're familiar with my play or my personality, but here's why I'm good as scum: I don't lie. Whether I'm town or scum, I'm not going to lie about something I could tell the truth as.
Also, I'll point out, that if I wanted to quickhammer, I wouldn't feel guilty about it, even as town. I'm willing to do scummy things as town, and I also am willing to own up to my mistakes.

As a third point, let me ask you: Why would scum-Whiskers quickhammer town, resulting in her own autolynch the next day? It's not worth it to scum to trade one-for-one, and we are so close to the end of the game. Especially with the townread on me from pretty much everybody-- maybe not Kise, but scum has a roleblocker and kills Kise, as we've seen (because it actually happened in the game)-- why would I do something that would make everybody look at me and go, "WOW, SCUM!" Especially when it could have been avoided?

Look: I'm not saying that you should read me as town after what I did. What I'm saying, is you should believe me when I say, I fucked up, and that vote and unvote was not supposed to be a hammer on Fitz.

Why are people avoiding the thread? Come on, vote either me or wisdom. We arent lynching anyone else.

Other things to do. Sounds like you're actually going to be lynched, but with all the support for your lynch (nacho, at least, and maybe desp), I'm kind of worried you're gonna be town.

Which brings me to,

Im surprised whiskers didnt countervote me. Why is that?

Maybe because that would be scummy as fuck and has the potential to end the game immediately if you're town? And because, despite the fact that you've decided to declare a 1v1, nobody listens to you.

Btw, can I please point out that all it takes to quickhammer someone in Lylo is for both scumteammates to realize and confirm the other one is online, and then to vote? It'd be pretty cool if you unvote me. Of course, if you already

are

one of the scum, I guess a quickhammer isn't possible. But that's sloppy play, if you're scum.

Fitz flipping town is pretty much a you autolynched the next day type of scenario; hell, Fitz wasn't even supposed to be lynched yesterday because eagle was supposed to have a clear on him and now suddenly there's a roleblocker in play. Had the eagle roleblocker push not happened, you would have been dead yesterday.

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I don't understand why I would confirm a roleblocker exists to eagle as scum when I had the option to kill Desperado. I don't see shos pushing fitz over Whiskers with me as a scumbuddy when implying a roleblocker means that I'm not confirmed town, and the "riding Nacho as confirmed town and letting him carry you to victory" makes more sense if he opens up the day by making a 1v1 between him and Whiskers, getting him lynched, and suiciding the next day.

I agree with Desperado re: shos and Whiskers and Eagle.

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Desperado doesn't really make sense as scum, especially as far as interactions with mollie went.

[Nachomamma8]

well it can't be des because that wouldn't make any difference balance wise; it can be the bomb nacho, or the cop eagle.

this is problem.

Your thought process is ridiculously weird.

[Nachomamma8]

Desperado doesn't really make sense as scum, especially as far as interactions with mollie went.

Desp had good interaction with Mollie?

In that case, does my constant hounding of Mollie, and then ika, count for anything?

You can't be scum with Whiskers because you've been building to this specific situation for like three days now and it just wouldn't make any sense.
You can't be scum with bald because if you're scum then that means you've been lying about the scum PRs, which means there probably IS a roleblocker, which means bald is town (or else he'd be dead). If you were scum with Bald you would have just said that there is a roleblocker.

I don't get this.
First: "there probably is a roleblocker, which means bald is town (or else he'd be dead)." No, he'd be dead if there were NO roleblocker, Bald is town, and Bald is what he says he is. Instead, there: 1. Could be a roleblocker, but bald is lying scum. 2. could be no roleblocker, and bald is lying scum.
Also, why would scum say, "oh, there's a roleblocker," outting their powerrole? :\

Anyway, scum is Shos and Desp:
Shos for faulty information that comes from his (really weird) role, specifically that there is a neighborizer in the scum. (I am the last claimed neighborizer, and am not scum (though read me however you want). A scum neighborizer would have claimed when the others did, early on.) Other info to support my suspicions that he's lying (or that this is a bastard mod game), include Nacho's assertion that there's been shown to be a roleblocker (through Eagle) and one player flipped Mafia Ninja, while Shos's information tells him of a neighborizer and encryptor.
Desp for his soft bussing (Whiskers/Eagle or Shos/Nacho, but probably Whiskers/Eagle, so let's lynch them first, in this LyLo situation), and his repeated avoidance: removing himself from the possible lynchpool. Heh, he also gets bonus points for having a scumread on every other player in the game: Whiskers, Eagle, Nacho, and Shos.

So, here's the part where I cast my vote and walk away for two days. Go town.

Vote: Shos

Without the you-mollie interaction, I probably would have lynched you by now.

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Shos, you can probably go ahead and revote me. I thought about it, and a scum neighborizer would have claimed with Titus, fitz, and I. Otherwise, he'd never get to use his role! Plus, if he was found out, it'd be instant scum.

Other people: You can probably go ahead and vote shos. If you believe Eagle, then Nacho's argument makes a lot of sense: scum likely wouldn't have a Roleblocker (evidence from Kise dying), a Ninja (ika flipped it), an Encryptor, and a Neighborizer (things shos both told us scum have).
Eh, I'm rethinking it now. What's the chance that there's, say, a Roleblocker-Encryptor and a Neighborizer, a Roleblocker-Neighborizer and Encryptor, or a Neighborizer-Encryptor and a Roleblocker? Does any of that make sense?

My initial thought was that there was possibly a factional roleblock but in reality there probably just isn't a roleblocker and eagle is lying scum.

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Shos's result on an Encryptor-Neighborizer instead of an Encryptor AND a neighborizer would make more sense instead of getting two roles with one bribe, though.

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oh sweet i didn't even have to quickhammer!