Mafia 110: Mafia in Hell, Michigan (Tied.)

[farside22]

Oh I see what you're saying now.

Yeah I more or less missed the catching crypto thing. Okay townpoints for you. Happy?

Now stop pretending you think I'm scum and go find scum.

pretending? Should I just do what you do and pop up every 10 pages or so, complain about the mass of pages and have a + and - system that explains next to nothing?

[farside22]

Oh I see what you're saying now.

Yeah I more or less missed the catching crypto thing. Okay townpoints for you. Happy?

Now stop pretending you think I'm scum and go find scum.

pretending? Should I just do what you do and pop up every 10 pages or so, complain about the mass of pages and have a + and - system that explains next to nothing?

Oh you did

NOT

eff with the +/- system. Girlfrien' it is so ON!

FARSIDE FOR SCUM!

Oh so helpful as always.


Now go pretend to scum hunt.

Is Jb ignoring my question?

*checks that he was online after I asked the question a second time*

Yup he's ignoring the question. I'm happy with my vote.

[farside22]

Seriously is there any reason people are not lynching the obvious liar at this point?

jbernier93: If you see what I'm talking about and you see it's over his head why are you voting horror?

Because, IMO, Horror is scummier.

[farside22]

Because he's not the only obvscum. Everyone has their pet wagon, why don't we just agree to do one today and another tomorrow and so on.

You were wrong twice. I'm sticking with what I feel and like.

[farside22]

Seriously is there any reason people are not lynching the obvious liar at this point?

jbernier93: If you see what I'm talking about and you see it's over his head why are you voting horror?

Because, IMO, Horror is scummier.

I don't understand at all.
I said Horror was scummier than crypto. I did not say crypto's actions made horror scummier. What in the world are you prattling on about now?

How was horror scummier then crypto? You stated that what I was saying was over crypto's head. How did if you know the town win condition, did this not raise a red flag to you? Why did this, upon seeing it cause you vote on horror over crypto?

[farside22]

I just don't understand you jbernier93. There is this small voice that says I could be wrong about you, but everything I see you write is scummy or backtracking.
Your biggest case day 2 is against ythan in which you basically blame. You claim he aggressively lynched horror, but you never said boo about it during the argument.
You stated you thought Dr.Cy was pro-town with no real valid reason.
But it seemed like you knew enough about the win condition to stated that what I was saying was over crypto's head and didn't see that as a big red flag.

I'm going to ponder things for a bit

[farside22]

I haven't gotten to lowell and I may have missed you pointing out that lowell did so.
However my that is not my only point on jb.

[farside22]

But it seemed like you knew enough about the win condition to stated that what I was saying was over crypto's head and didn't see that as a big red flag.

I'm going to ponder things for a bit

This reaction wouldn't necessitate his knowledge of the proper win condition, would it?

It's in my head. I ponder things go back and read and ponder more. If he knew it was over crypto's head then it could be he knew where I was going.
It's the only thing in his favor right now.
I don't like his attack or reasoning for voting you. I don't like his I found crypto protown.
As unsight said Lowell said the same thing.
Has lowell explain yet why he found dr. cy pro-town yet?

[farside22]

Just looked at lowell in isolation real quick the only thing I found was this:

First thing's first. The case on me is retarded. Particularly the part about me giving "townpoints" to scum. This is THE REASON why we make lists. It's no better or worse than, say, voting for someone who ends up being town, as a majority have done the first two days. So sue me if I was wrong about a one-line comment about cyanide. This is an incredibly thin case to be leading with on D3 and looks very opportunistic rather than actually thoughtful.

Pretty defensive attitude in my book.

Oh lowell quick lurking for a moment and answer the following:
What did you find from Dr. Cy that made you think he was pro-town?

[farside22]

Sorry Lowell never said that he thought Dr. Cy was pro-town. I misspoke.
Here are my questions:

158- cyanide votes crypto w/ hilarious post [+, just a vibe]

What was funny about this?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 77#2132577

297- crypto votes rich [+, bandwagons have trouble moving in this game]

Why does crypto get a plus for this post?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 71#2134371

Where others who voted for richard get next to no plus?

1218- surprisingly good case against ythan from rik [+]

This is a good case?
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 40#2156440

[farside22]

Have you seen my recentish responses to the pieces of his big posts?

Yes so good points. I think I may be wrong about jb. Not 100% mind you it's that voice I need to squish that reads his post when crypto misinterperted saying that who paraphrase thing that leads me to believe that jb could just be wrong and well wrong.

right now I'm going to

unvote:

vote: DS

I want him to respond to what I laid out case wise and I'm starting to think active lurker. Lowell still needs to respond to my questions.

[farside22]

Crypto had only one minor thing against him that was scummy, which was paraphrasegate. However, this was, in my opinion, hardly scummy at all.

Are you asking me to move my vote to you?

I know crypto is scum, but people can be scum but not scummy, can't they?

I don't see scum pushing for a scum partner day 1 like that. Just my view. They buss but not that hard.

Anyways. I'm going to move on but IGMEOU for now. I would like to see a suspect list with sound reasoning. Not he's an ass reasoning.
Ythan may be a fun sucker extordinair but that doesn't = scum.

[farside22]

Crypto had only one minor thing against him that was scummy, which was paraphrasegate. However, this was, in my opinion, hardly scummy at all.

Are you asking me to move my vote to you?

I know crypto is scum, but people can be scum but not scummy, can't they?

I don't see scum pushing for a scum partner day 1 like that. Just my view. They buss but not that hard.

Anyways. I'm going to move on but IGMEOU for now. I would like to see a suspect list with sound reasoning. Not he's an ass reasoning.
Ythan may be a fun sucker extordinair but that doesn't = scum.

Do you feel that jb has addressed the points against him?

Call it a nagging feeling in the back of my head. I don't think he answered the points against him well, but that nagging voice is very irating and demanding right now.
I may join you on that Lowell wagon as soon as either DS shows up or if Lowell doesn't respond and keeps the lurkering up.

[farside22]

Because there are lots of good wagons. We need consolidation. And more contribution from town.

DS is a good place to vote. Someone had a case on Mole but I didn't really get it. Lowell is avoiding giving anything sound and gets very defensive about being called out on his + of crypto and dr.cy and instead of addressing it slings mud on unright which is hella suspicious and mighty OMGUS.

Who was replacing WRP? Have they said boo yet?

[farside22]

@DS: Who do you think is scum and why. I want at least 3 names for this.

DS: comments intrigue me. I haven't decided if it's a scum ploy (to admit to those actions) or town action to recognize it and do better.

[farside22]

Unvote:
vote: Lowell

This is to get the man speaking. So far a few people who came across as scummy have either had that inner voice speaking to me that I'm wrong or said something that has me thinking.
On to the next scummy person.

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@Lowell

Sorry Lowell never said that he thought Dr. Cy was pro-town. I misspoke.
Here are my questions:

158- cyanide votes crypto w/ hilarious post [+, just a vibe]

What was funny about this?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 77#2132577

297- crypto votes rich [+, bandwagons have trouble moving in this game]

Why does crypto get a plus for this post?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 71#2134371

Where others who voted for richard get next to no plus?

1218- surprisingly good case against ythan from rik [+]

This is a good case?
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 40#2156440

[farside22]

RayFrostWikiManager / RayFrost

- Why did you think Richard was lying about his role?
Why do you think watcher is not a provable role?

The main problem I have isn't the claim itself; it's the timing and how he went about it. It just...sounds like he's lying.

pretty sure both was your issue. Timing I agree was off. The claim no.
In regards to this comment:

Rikenslope, Ace, Dr. Cyanide, Musher33 - lurkers, don't like their few posts

Why did you vote Riken above the other 3 players?
Reading ray's reason for voting mole makes me want to reread mole all over again.
What happened to your suspicion on Riken?
Why do you think pman is scummy?

There's some things I find from Ray that give me town vibes but when he votes so far I didn't find reasoning for it.

[farside22]

Konowa: Who are your main scum suspects?

[farside22]

I'm so tired of anaylsis people today. I will get back to reading everyone in iso tomorrow. As of now Lowell is a good place to vote.

Mod:

Wow I really hate the small vote count at the top of this page.

[farside22]

I do not agree with the lowell lynch.

I'm really not going to be asking a third time. Go back reread those people voting on you and respond.

[farside22]

Lets excuse Lowell's behavoir and include excuses as with WIFOM.

First off no I didn't find dr.cy funny
Second I find it odd on who you focas on and who you ignored with your little +/- system that tell people next to nothing.
Finally many people find riken scummy so far yet your giving him + points for making a case on ythan. Did you see jb made a case on him as well before riken did?

[farside22]

Wow that is bad I get a blank screen when trying to iso ythan.

[farside22]

I prefer a jbernier lynch than a lowell one at this juncture. I think he's more likely to be scum than Lowell.

What about the fact that he understood what I was saying when I pointed to Crypto about the paraphrase? It's the one thing I weigh heavily on.

[farside22]

Does anyone want a lynch today outside of jb or Lowell?

I haven't found time to iso the rest of the players. At least I know I won't be able to iso ythan.

[farside22]

I'm also burnt out on isolation. Would you find anyone outside of those two preferable with the info you have now?

Rikenslope had some suspicion his way as well. Also ray had a case on Mole that made me want to go back and reread him.

[farside22]

I'm also burnt out on isolation. Would you find anyone outside of those two preferable with the info you have now?

Rikenslope had some suspicion his way as well. Also ray had a case on Mole that made me want to go back and reread him.

Where is ray's case on Mole? Also what do you think about

my

case on him? You know, the one that originated from that giant post you made me work up and that you have so far largely ignored.

Sorry. I thought Ray had something on mole. I'm a bit tired today but I'm pretty sure he had something.
I need to reread what you wrote up. I remember laughing at your comments about ythan.

[farside22]

Kison has some great points on Mole. Just took a look at the links.
The vote on horror was pure bw vote and he completely contradicts himself with that vote.

I think for me it's either Mole or Lowell who I would lynch at this point.

[farside22]

Seriously people, stop being idiots. Lynch someone who isn't me. I'm actuallly

trying

this game. You know how rare that is for me?

There's plenty of room on the rik bandwagon, and I'd happily lynch jb as well.

Your trying? This is you trying. I saw better from the other game we were in where you posted more often then here. So I'm not seeing as doing well or trying in this game.

[farside22]

Comments on what Kison told me to look at:

1st part is valid(ish), but not enough to make me consider voting him, or even calling him scum.

2nd part is not. As he is STARTING to believe the smiley theory, that means he has CHANGED his mind.

scum can't pretend to change their mind?

[farside22]

I'm not floundering. My posts are decent and I'm awesome. Lynch someone who isn't here, not someone who is here, trying, and ridiculously as pro-town as I am.

It's ridiculous how little you have posted or attempted to scum hunt in this game. What exactly makes you "pro-town?"

[farside22]

Is it just me or is this game more frustrating than fun?

Pretty sure based on the number of players in the game their's 2 mafia left. It's just people trying to narrow down who the 2 could be. If there is 3 scum well I believe we still have a good shot at taking the mafia down.
I'm far from frustrated I'm invigged to win.
And sometime today I will get to finish reading my iso's.
Why are more people not voting for Lowell?

[farside22]

Rikenslope - I don't like riken's vote on Beater. He doesn't explain why Beater is scummy at all in that vote. He had 3 suspects before this vote. One claimed and the other had not. Looks like a bw vote.
Goes close to OMGUS with Ray for ray not liking his reason's for his vote. Keeps harping on the newb scum theory for WRP. Instead of injecting or commenting about the arguement between ythan and horror he egg's it on.
His Fos on SK is so weak it hurts. The fos from crytpo was a joke if you read the thread by the way. Crypto stated that ythan was obvious scum and ythan said he didn't want to die in which crypto did the fos. It wasn't serious.
I do agree that ythan needs to explain why he changed his views on SK from day 1 to day 2.
In short I don't see anything scum hunting from riken. He's after ythan for a reason I don't understand and it's pretty weak in my view. Mild to heavy scum vibes.

pman5595 -pman what is the difference between horror's action and WRP's actions? Is' it me or does this sound like pman believes horror's claim?

Horror, you have to understand we have to lynch a vanilla claim right?

mmm I could be wrong based on his other post. Him saying this is his first game as town makes me want to read his other games now.
Interesting view of riken. I would like quotes on this. For reference pman it's iso post 19.
Iso post 20 makes me feel really good thoughts on pman.
pman why did you push for lowell over riken at the start of day 3?
The rest of pman post is really sad. I would like his views on more then just riken and lowell at this point. Overall I don't see scum.

Riddick - So Riddick why did you think Crypto was town? (iso post 11). Why did you find WRP's actions scummy after your fake daykill?
How do you know all this in regards to WRP:

Well yah, he's obviously not a completely newbie, as he's played mafia before. He also knows what a daykill and the general rules behind them are as evidenced just now.

Riddick why would you believe that a town player would misrep what a town win condition is?
Why is someone who doesn't know the town PM win condition not wothy of a vote?
I also would like links to games you played with crypto where he was town.
There are some post I find well thought out but Riddick has been pushing more on lurkers then looking for scum lately. He's focused on WRP and although the replacement has yet to provide anything useful I don't see scum in WRP.
Right now leaning neutral.

[farside22]

Thanks pman and riddick for thie quick replies.
I have 2 more people I'm going to catch up on. There seems to be no way to read ythan in isolation and I dread the read on looking at his post.
Seriously I'm most likely not going to look for ythan. I add to the request ray had in regards to ythan creating an alt account for use in this game. Oman had to do it for one game and I see no reason for ythan not to do it for this game.

unsight and musher/konowa are my last two and then I will have a wrap up of my top suspects

[farside22]

Unsight -

I liked Unsight's case with lowell better then the Beater case. I get frustration trying to get something from beater then thinking he's scum.
After reading Unsight another time I get aggressive townie. I didn't really like his first post. I find scum typically saying they thought X player that flipped scum was scum and was going to do a case, blah, blah, blah. But he caught on to Dr. Cyn before anyone else and pointed out his vote and reasoning. I find this very good scum hunting in retrospect.

musher/konowa

- musher calls out crypto saying he's not giving details when posting. I found this an interesting point, but now in the back I wonder if this was a slight buss. However his fos on cirno but not on crypto does leave me more questions.
konowa ask players about 5 of the players in the game but doesn't give his own views. I think the reason's and comment about ythan talking about flavor of the death is a big reach.
Konowa is a big fat ?? as far as seeing him as town or scum. I really don't know. I haven't see much from him that says hey look at me scum hunt but I don't see hey look at me sit on my ass doing nothing. He's very hard read for me.

[farside22]

In short

scum

Rikenslope/lowell

on the edge of being scum

DS/Jb

uncertain:

mole
kono

[farside22]

mod please prod Dragonfly13

[farside22]

Yeah guys, if you didn't stretch the thread out to 84 pages we wouldn't be having this problem.

How many post do you have in this game again?

[farside22]

Yeah guys, if you didn't stretch the thread out to 84 pages we wouldn't be having this problem.

How many post do you have in this game again?

I think he was participating in some self-mockery.

Sarcasm.
I detected it and gave back my own.
And this game died. Why are more people not voting lowell?

[farside22]

Already did that. We need others to pipe in with their scum pick.

[farside22]

Question for farside, and pretty much everyone voting Lowell: Do you all know of his meta? It's personally next to impossible for me to figure out. I have no idea whether he's scum. I would be potentially willing to lynch him, but only over town reads I have.

Lowell is pretty anti-town player in my view. However I usually find him with rational thinking and lots more posting when I have played with him when he is town. He's usually more responsive, informative and has a valid point of view I can get. This game although there are a few things I found valid, his scum hunting and participation is sorely lacking. His defense on the issue's are more one liners then informative. I get the impression he's either actively lurking or just hiding from the game in general.

[farside22]

@ythan I covered Riken's case on you here in my views of him.

Rikenslope - I don't like riken's vote on Beater. He doesn't explain why Beater is scummy at all in that vote. He had 3 suspects before this vote. One claimed and the other had not. Looks like a bw vote.
Goes close to OMGUS with Ray for ray not liking his reason's for his vote. Keeps harping on the newb scum theory for WRP. Instead of injecting or commenting about the arguement between ythan and horror he egg's it on.
His Fos on SK is so weak it hurts. The fos from crytpo was a joke if you read the thread by the way. Crypto stated that ythan was obvious scum and ythan said he didn't want to die in which crypto did the fos. It wasn't serious.
I do agree that ythan needs to explain why he changed his views on SK from day 1 to day 2.
In short I don't see anything scum hunting from riken. He's after ythan for a reason I don't understand and it's pretty weak in my view. Mild to heavy scum vibes.

[farside22]

Beater was scummy by definition of a word to make a case against him look weak. Then claiming that he didn't know he was misdefining it. (There is a wiki look it up) Of course I am not gonna vote for someone who claimed a town PR on day one that is retarded to do so. Show me where I go close to OMGUS on Ray. I tell him that my logic doesn't have to his liking. (in case you forget Farside this is a game of opinions). When I see a fight between to ladies like Horror and Ythan had I let them keep fighting, it will either be 1) interesting or 2) end in bloodshed. This one had both. My FoS on SK was due to him claiming Ace was "actively lurking." He had 3 post there is no way in hell that 3 post is active lurking by any stretch of the imagination. Is it a joke that Crypto FoS'd Ythan or is it scum busing scum. Who knows its to WIFOM for me to care. And its about time that we see eye to eye on something. In short I don't see anything like reasoning from Farside. S

he's after Riken for a reason that I don't understand and it's pretty weak in my view.

Mild to heavy scum vibes.

The bold makes me laugh. I don't know if I should laugh harder at him referring to himself in the 3rd person or calling my case weak without a reason or the hypocrisy of calling my case weak when I pretty much disassembled most of his case on ythan.

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Beater was scummy by definition of a word to make a case against him look weak. Then claiming that he didn't know he was misdefining it. (There is a wiki look it up) Of course I am not gonna vote for someone who claimed a town PR on day one that is retarded to do so. Show me where I go close to OMGUS on Ray. I tell him that my logic doesn't have to his liking. (in case you forget Farside this is a game of opinions). When I see a fight between to ladies like Horror and Ythan had I let them keep fighting, it will either be 1) interesting or 2) end in bloodshed. This one had both. My FoS on SK was due to him claiming Ace was "actively lurking." He had 3 post there is no way in hell that 3 post is active lurking by any stretch of the imagination. Is it a joke that Crypto FoS'd Ythan or is it scum busing scum. Who knows its to WIFOM for me to care. And its about time that we see eye to eye on something. In short I don't see anything like reasoning from Farside. She's after Riken for a reason that I don't understand and it's pretty weak in my view. Mild to heavy scum vibes.

It's easy scum bw. Did you see my comment about Beater as a scum's wet dream?
Also there is more then 2 players in the game on day 1 so your point back is invalid.

Your close to OMGUS comment towards RAy:

It's at best a game and my reasoning doesn't have to be good enough for you Ray the 2nd. It is how I think and I sorry it doesn't apparently meet your high standards of good enough or not. As an aside the lack of reasoning behind why you chose me to begin with I feel is slightly suspect. Then when asked all you could manage to squeeze out was...

Scum have more reason to egg a fight then town.
Maybe if you read the thread and the interaction instead of obviously not reading the interaction between Crypto and ythan you would see for yourself when, why and how that FOS happened on ythan. To call it WIFOM is as-sine.

Oh you have a case on me now and I missed it with that mild to heavy scum vibes comment. Because I somehow missed the OMGUS over my laughter.

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Farside makes me laugh. I don't know if I should laugh about her thinking that the 3rd person is funny, or calling my case weak when I broke down her case on me almost word for word or calling my case weak when all she did was say the same thing Ythan did. Maybe a case gets stronger if its repeated, next time I'll just have Ythan stand in a cave so I can hear his echoes I don't need you to do that for him he's a big boy.

Oh by the way I am at home and get interrupted multiple times. But thanks again for the OMGUS comments. Your lynch will be either today or next. Enjoy the ride scum.

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Mole has moments that make me cheer and then his vote at the end makes me not so thrilled with his play. He hasn't said anything today on who he finds scum so he's someone I just need to watch.

I think for me it's either Mole or Lowell who I would lynch at this point.

uncertain:

mole
kono

Uncertain -> Lynch-worthy -> Uncertain

Can you sum up all your thoughts on Molestargazer please? There are other times in your ISO where you say you're going to look at Molestargazer and never seem to get around to it so one big post on Molestargazer would be nice.

first one was my read.
Second one was after reading kison's view
Third was Mole's response and my 3rd reread. Hence in the end uncertain.

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It's WIFOM as Crypto was proven scum. And why should I care that you are at home? Don't be so sad Farside, I know tons of bad players no need to get heated about being one. Your just one of many. But I do so love the way you get so quickly distubed when people break down your post. It makes me chortle...lol

How does Crypto flip make it WIFOM

bad players? Are you calling me a bad player? Since when?

[farside22]

Anyone see Rikens' case he has one me?

Looks around*

nope nothing as normal just a react from scum trying to drive up more weak stuff that makes no sense.
Carry on.

[farside22]

You seem flustered.

nope. Surprised by rikens reaction and attack yes. I get don't attack responses often on a case I make on someone. When I do I do go get aggressive back.

[farside22]

You seem flustered.

Also I found someone saying I'm scum based on a case I made OMGUS. I found it laughable but now he's pushing it without making a case which is completely hypocritical after calling my case on him weak.
Like wow I'm scum for calling you scum and your pushing that as reason.
Like wow.

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1) Wikis are good as you apparently get stalked and crack going all wild about weak cases.

2) Apparently my FoS of SK was so weak it hurt yet here you are FoS'ing SK for...

1) I'm laughing at the idea of it. It wasn't a case.
2) I did stated later why the fos which flipping on a vote and following others is a scum tell.

the same reason of vote flipping...Yay! You got me there Farside. LOL

What is the point of this statement?

Matter of factly you believe so hard in your vote of SK that you defend it against Ythan's general statements.

Now I know your not paying attention to the game. Ythan was practically question most everyone on everything. Him calling it perfectly reasonable without a reason looked highly suspect

You get so upset by his reaction that you FoS him based on it.

That's not upset that's my view on his play in the game and how he responded back.

But me FoS'ing SK is weak, when it's for the same reason....*giggle*

This is a outright lie. You said you fos'ed SK for saying Ace is actively lurkering. Not the same as my fos for his flip flop.
But here is the difference you are missing on your stupid and weak fos.

Thank you SK. I found your explanation on the question I posed to you most satisfying.

I am still a little concerned over your definition of Ace's "Active Lurking" and for that

FOS: SK

This was weak above^ Even though your "satisfied" with his answer you still gave him an FOS.

Yay! That is two days that you voted for SK for the same reason I FoS'd SK and my case is weak when so far it has been for the same thing.

Please quote where you voted or found SK scummy do to bw voting or anything else I posted for my reasons besides the lurker comment.

Farside: I sure would.

Riken: Then go for it.

Wow you twist everything I said. I was saying I was tired of the argument and they needed to stop too. Nice of you reading in iso to miss this quote right after

I'm voting now for NS

unvote:
vote:Nobody Special

buddying, following, and oh I thought I had something bs, bs, bs.
Plus he FOS'ed someone he says he trust. Give me a break. Pure scum.

Kids stop squabbling and vote for NS. Thanks.

That was not encouraging a fight like you were. That's telling them to stop.

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/me loves how flustered you are Farside. Like I said that post I made is your post word for word. Right down to the scum vibe.

Oh goody another asshole I get to deal with in another game.
*adds Riken to asshole list of players*

[farside22]

I can't tell if Rike is being more scummy, anti-town, or a bitch.

Ythan.

watch that come back and bite me in the butt.

omnomnom

I'm starting to think of what SIR did to TQO in the other game with his attitude and needling.

[farside22]

I'm referring to what SIR talked about doing here
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 45&start=0

Riken's actions towards me feel like what SIR did in the game he talks about there.

[farside22]

His insults are not chauvinistic at least.

True like I said it was a feeling I had. The giggle comments, the hypocrisy, the needling just sounds like desperate scum trying to cause negative reaction from a town player.

[farside22]

@Riddick: I refer to this post here:

Farside, I love you.

I'm offically capatilizing on a slip from someone who stated that WRP was paraphrasing a town PM when in fact there was nothing close to that being the town win condition and Crypto didn't recognize it means scum.

(condescending sigh)

I win with the town.

Obviously farside's whole argument against you just went over your head.

Anyway

vote: horrordude

.

Now it could be scum hinting towards a scum buddy about what I'm saying or it's town that knows and understands where I'm going. It's why I find his vote on horror just baffling here too.

[farside22]

@Riddick: I refer to this post here:

Farside, I love you.

I'm offically capatilizing on a slip from someone who stated that WRP was paraphrasing a town PM when in fact there was nothing close to that being the town win condition and Crypto didn't recognize it means scum.

(condescending sigh)

I win with the town.

Obviously farside's whole argument against you just went over your head.

Anyway

vote: horrordude

.

Now it could be scum hinting towards a scum buddy about what I'm saying or it's town that knows and understands where I'm going. It's why I find his vote on horror just baffling here too.

Yeah, I'll be honest I don't see this as evidence of him knowing the wincon at all. In fact if I had to pick I'd say he's poking at a buddy to back off a losing argument. Eh, I guess it could go both ways but it seems a massive stretch to say he knows the wincon from this.

It's why Jb is still on my highly list of suspect but below lowell and riken.

Like I said ever had a gut check or inner voice? I have said something is over someone's head myself but more blunt and rude, but I would have voted for Crypto for missing it.

[farside22]

Posting fake suspicions against me is an amateur scum mistake. You'll never get me lynched, a nightkill is a much better option.

I read from someone you were active no matter your alignment. Any truth to this statement?
More curiousity. I haven't gotten any scum vibes from you at all and the cases people brought were weak.
However the question about SK day 1. You said you didn't agree with the case then voted for SK day 2. What changed your views on him?

[farside22]

I am more active as town I think. I didn't like the cases people were making on SK day one because his vote changes seemed reasonable to me, and the people pushing that angle did not.

Pretty sure I was pushing that the most. But what changed for you on Day 2?

[farside22]

Sorry my head is not really here today. Some RL stuff kind of hit me. I'm posting this in all my games that need attention.

[farside22]

Dragonfly13 logic so far fails miserably. I still would rather see lowell or Riken lynched. Nothing has changed my views so far on the matter.
Ythan: Your OMGUS is showing.

[farside22]

unvote, vote JB

Deadline approaching and this seems to be the best chance for today. rik is also in play, in my book. Not buying the fledgling case on dragon. Beater was town, and so is he. Ythan's need to control the conversation doesn't impress, but the case on him doesn't really fly for today either, IMO.

Why are you voting for Jb over Riken?

[farside22]

And one more thing, when I'm not rushing through an essay I'll be sure to look up how town you've found Beater in the past.

Have fun with that. Pretty much defending him is the reason everyone thinks I'm scummy.

Really who said that?

[farside22]

Also looking at the vote counts. Jb had no votes so again why the change Lowell?
People are talking (if you actually read the thread) about multiple players with reasoning.

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 8

DedicatedScribe

- 1 - MoleStargazer - (L-7)

Dragonfly13

- 2 - Riddick, Unsight - (L-6)

Lowell

- 4 - pman5595, Farside22, Ythan, Konowa - (L-4)

MoleStargazer

- 1 - Kison - (L-7)

Nachomama8

- 1 - JBernier93 - (L-7)

Riddick

- 1 - Dragonfly13 - (L-7)

Rikenslope

- 1 - Lowell - (L-7)

Ythan

- 1 - Rikenslope - (L-7)

Players not voting: DedicatedScribe, Nachomama8


Due to the replacements, I'm going to grant a deadline extension. The new deadline will be at 11:59 PM on Sunday, April 3.

[farside22]

And one more thing, when I'm not rushing through an essay I'll be sure to look up how town you've found Beater in the past.

Have fun with that. Pretty much defending him is the reason everyone thinks I'm scummy.

Really who said that?

"everyone"

I know it is no where close to my reasoning but I'm wondering where the flark he got this notion. I'm assuming not reading.

[farside22]

He switched to a 'better prospect' with no votes on him?

Exactly. Makes sense huh

Seriously happy with my lowell vote more and more. Come on people it's not hard to vote here.

[farside22]

Some ways through, and I just wanna lynch farside.

Looking forward to hearing your explanation of how I know what the correct town win condition is when you come up with that case.

[farside22]

I'll switch back to rik if needed. If someone wants to give me a case to respond to that isn't immediately swamped over by 3 pages of other posts, I'll happily respond.

farside, you're being lazy on this one.

[farside22]

Looking forward to hearing your explanation of how I know what the correct town win condition is when you come up with that case.

Umm... Guessing? It's a fairly standard wincon, and getting THAT correct most certainly wouldn't clear you, babe.

Obviously not reading the game based on this statement above.

ythan and DS if you do not stop with this spamming argument I will seriously find a way to get the mod to warn you both. This is why it is taking f@#ing forever to get a replacement to read a game.

[farside22]

Farside, meh:

1. Has Ythan rushed lynches?

2. Has Ythan dodged Q's?

I'm having issues citing these.

1. I felt he pushed hard on the horror wagon but I don't see how he rushed lynched.

2. I can't say for sure he dodged Q's. It's been a long day for me and I know when I don't get answers on something I will keep asking someone till I get an answer.

[farside22]

Lowell it's not even my post that you only partially addressed. You skipped over a few to get to that point. If you're town just be happy that your flip will clear up the confusion you caused town with your play.

Seriously, this kid is being really obnoxious. Yes, I post less than you or farside. Still more than once a day, which by Lowell standards is pretty phenomenal. Also I'm awesome. Also, pointing out my post count doesn't make the case against me any less lazy. At best, it makes a lazy case on a lazy player. Let's do better.

You mean like the cases you are making and doing so well?
Don't make me look at you an iso and see if you actually have been posting more then once a day. I have a feeling before I look I doubt that to be truth.

[farside22]

@Nacho you will find the town win condition comment here
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 36#2141036

You will also see I called out Crypto for stated what WRP claimed was a town win condition paraphrase, which in that post I state what the actual town win con is.
Since the mod didn't have it on page one I knew crypto didn't know what it truely was.

[farside22]

@farside22: You never responded to my earlier post. What about molestargazer's response made you less suspicious of him?

I'm more suspicious of others above him. He's under my uncertain category as I have seen things I agree with and I find informative but his vote on horror and reasoning was weak. His attack on Ace (who pretty much flaked) is weak too.

Just read unsight's views on ythan. Most feels like it's all about how he pushes on certain lynches.
I would like to know what ythan ignored or dismissed.
I would like to see the links to being buddied by ythan

[farside22]

horrordude had a very good case against Crypto on Day 1 that got overlooked because you were up in his face for the next 8 pages putting as many posts between that case and the last page as possible. I can only imagine that if you hadn't been in the game that he wouldn't have been mislynched and Crypto would have. Even on Day 3 with 2 solid mislynches, you're still pulling the same garbage pressuring everyone to consolidate votes for a deadline that was around 2 weeks away.

This is poor, poor reasoning. Why are you not attacking DS on these very same points or myself or anyone who was responding day 1 during the argument about Horror.
I swear I know ythan comes off abrupt and makes me want to scream at him to just stfu but this is WIFOM more then fact

[farside22]

Okay unsight you said buddying. I'm not sure what the difference between piggyback and buddying our but I think some of those are a stregth

Now for the 2 questions you said he (ythan) dodged

You did this to horror and NS. It's like you don't just push wagons but you practically strap a jet pack onto them. For some reason I can't read half your posts in this game without feeling like you're in a hurry. Why is that?

1) did anyone read this question? Unsight wants Ythan to explain why she feels a way she does. I'm sorry does anyone know why a player feels a certain way? What answer could be answered to explain someone else's feelings?

unsight asked:
Why does it need to "pick up and move?" What are you in such a hurry for?

Ythan (Post subject: 1993) wrote:
As I just said in the post to which you responded, the day's stalling. We have great options for a lynch and nothing new is coming to light. Now stop pretending there's a possibility that I'm scum and help with the consolidation.

Not sure how this is dodging a question. He explained why and you call it another hurry up and go post well you asked why he was in a hurry and he answered what he saw.

I'm not even sure where you see buddying in those post. I see one where he says he likes me and I'm sure that's a sin some how.
I see I asked questions and noted things I found strange in in ythan's post I don't see how that is buddying.
I saw one question I asked he wonder if it had been answered. Why is that wrong?

How does any of that show budding?

[farside22]

speaking of players that dodge questions. Lets go back and revisit Riken
Who didn't answer the following question I noticed

This question was in regards to his beater vote.

It's easy scum bw. Did you see my comment about Beater as a scum's wet dream?
Also there is more then 2 players in the game on day 1 so your point back is invalid.

Rikenslope wrote:
It's WIFOM as Crypto was proven scum. And why should I care that you are at home? Don't be so sad Farside, I know tons of bad players no need to get heated about being one. Your just one of many. But I do so love the way you get so quickly distubed when people break down your post. It makes me chortle...lol

How does Crypto flip make it WIFOM?

[farside22]

I also notice as soon as I called Riken out on his play and comparing it to SIR he disappeared and laid low again. I have to wonder if I hit a soft spot there.

Lowell: Give me a brief view on the following players and and why you think that about them.
unright, riken, DS, jb and ythan.

[farside22]

He's speed lynching because he's pushing people to vote on who he thinks is scum. This is your view of speed lynching?
Does a vocal person who thinks a player is scummy and say hey look at the scum here vote scum now is typically scum how?

Do you believe that the right play for a game that has stalled is immediately lynch or attempt to generate more discussion?

How much discussion has lowell done, or riken, or jb? I mean really I asked everyone to list who they find scummy and I maybe had 4 people replay. Out of X players alive I can't say everyone not answering is scum.
Try getting discussion from someone who isnt contributing/trying or doing anything in the game. Please be my guest becuase I'm frankly tired of hitting my head against a wall in this game.

So because ythan isn't asking me tons of questions he's buddying me?
Should I really start looking a people who are avoiding each other then you didn't note in all this? I'm just wondering how many people are not asking another player a questioning. I don't find ythan scum. I only ask questions when I find something he says off.

Now my beef with you and it's not unsights fault is I have been harboring a slight distrust since I know why Cirno bailed was because of me and I have to wonder why. I knew Cirno's real alt and I know the players tells. This little thing leads me not to trust you 100%.

That said and I needed to say it I think at this point. Either you think I'm scum or you think ythan's scum because of his getting people to vote.
A game that stalls and people just go I would voted for X or Y and following is going on more then it should. I noticed it from Lowell and Riken.
Why do you think you have not said anything about this little nugget of fact Unsight?

[farside22]

Things Unright didn't notice in regards to those asking me questions

Players who have followed onto or buddied farside and not asked many questions:

unvote;

vote Nobody Special

farside brings it up in post 1345, but I think that if NS flips scum there is a very good chance that Rikenslope is scum with him.

As much as this game needs to progress, there is still numerous people not talking. Everyone, if you have not already, should chime in with their top three with why.

My vote puts NS at L-2.

I asked konowa about following my logic and that is the sum of our interaction.

On second thought, maybe she is not?
farside, clarify please.

Konowa voted for Lowell and states the following a few pages later:

Christ that was annoying.

So, the only thing that I got out of that read was that DS is hiding behind Unsight's push on Ythan by calling it "supporting". Really?

I would really like a DS lynch still.
Game is stalling horribly. I see no reason to keep this going till Sunday.

Riddick asked I think I found 2 questions to me.


So I would like unsight to expand on her so called "buddying" again based on lack of questions between ythan and myself.

[farside22]

No. He's acting differently toward you than he is most of the players in this game. It's a tangible, easily noticeable difference... that you apparently aren't able to see.

And? How is this scummy? I treat people differently I noticed him with SK and how he treated him. It made me look at him twice but SK flipped town. So I don't know why he treats some players a certain way but I know from experience when another player finds another player town they don't berate or question them as much because they find them town.
That's just my view.

unright: I'm asking you to define speed lynching because I don't see it. Speed lynching is with multiple players who are scum usually looking for a quick lynch.

I see your post about what ythan has stated about players it's not called speed lynching. It's called opportunistic/weak voting.
Which I agree that Ythan should expand on why he thinks jb or lowell is scum.


I wouldn't say I'm ignoring it, some of the multi-posting by him get's overwhelming. I try to catch what I can when I see it. Most of it is me see discrepancies in others I find scummy.

No, a game that stalls means that the players aren't making it engaging enough to keep going. That's everyone's responsibility.

Sarcastic remark alert
Sarcastic remark alert
Sarcastic remark alert

Should I wear a funny hat and spin on my head to get more people to post and respond? Should I try and make comic puns about each person's post?
Seriously people will post or not post. no matter how or what I say when players lurk I look at it more in a big game because it's easier to lurk as scum and win.

[farside22]

Ythan: please expand on why you think Jb and lowell are scum.

[farside22]

Unsight: I did say something to konowa as soon as I saw it. Don't let me calling you unright over unsight distract you from actually reading my post in full.

[farside22]

Most of mafia consists of asking questions to people. Someone says something, you ask a question. Someone implies something, you ask a question. Buddying isn't two people going "I wuv you. You wuv me." It's when two people consistently aren't questioning one another. Ythan's few questions to you are shallow and it shows when he drops the topic after a 1 sentence reply which is downright bizarre considering we've watched him hound other people for entire pages. Never you though... because he has a 99% town read on you.

I read this as ythan is not asking me enough questions, if not please explain what you mean here then.

[farside22]

So you do notice that he's acting differently toward you than other players?

No. I'm not sure how you think he's treating me any differently then Riddick.

Again, "S" and "R" are not near each other on my keyboard. In fact, I use entirely different fingers to type them. Stop insulting me. Insults are not a good substitute for a logical explanation.

I'm really not trying to insult you. I did it thinking it was your name without looking. But your reaction to it in one post did make me laugh. I'm sorry about that.

Speed-lynching to me is pushing for "vote consolidation" when the deadline is about 2 weeks away. Speed-lynching to me is constantly reminding every player about the deadline. Speed-lynching to me is attempting to artificially put a sense of voting urgency into play.

That's your view. Not mine

So why have you not called Ythan on his "opportunistic/weak" voting until now?

I wouldn't say I'm ignoring it, some of the multi-posting by him get's overwhelming. I try to catch what I can when I see it. Most of it is me see discrepancies in others I find scummy.

[farside22]

No. I'm not sure how you think he's treating me any differently then Riddick.

And how is Ythan treating Riddick?

So why have you not called Ythan on his "opportunistic/weak" voting until now?

I wouldn't say I'm ignoring it, some of the multi-posting by him get's overwhelming. I try to catch what I can when I see it. Most of it is me see discrepancies in others I find scummy.

If the game was "stalling" so much then it shouldn't be hard to catch up. This is a weak defense especially considering you have a very high post count of 284 which is somewhere between 2 and 3 times mine even.

Go figure it out yourself.

And get the stick out of your ass when you do.

Seriously I'm not the only fucking person in this game. If your going to ride my ass for missing every fucking thing go look in the mirror and yell at yourself because you no saint yourself

[farside22]

I also notice as soon as I called Riken out on his play and comparing it to SIR he disappeared and laid low again. I have to wonder if I hit a soft spot there.

Lowell: Give me a brief view on the following players and and why you think that about them.
unright, riken, DS, jb and ythan.

jbernier

- I wrote this days ago "I can't get over 1299. He sidles up to the wagon just close enough to not get burned when it turns up town. His game has been VERY quiet." I still feel the same way. He's done NOTHING, and has made a few too many comments like "I am fail at this game" and "this game is more frustrating than fun" for my liking. He's trying to justify lurking as fitting his mood, which is scummy and not helpful.

rik

I still find waaaaay back to 1158 incredibly scummy and bizarre. He basically apologizes for being RIGHT about a townwagon. Not at all a town action. He's been slightly more active and better since then, but his latest post, voting for ythan (who was the subject of scrutiny) and casual future-vote dropping of Lowell and JB (the other two obvious lynch candidates at the time) reads opportunistic as hell.

unsight

- HUGE fan. It's possible he's buddying with me to win a friend (in particular his post anyalyzing myself and ythan, followed by the "oh well I was goign to vote Lowell but I'll vote ythan instead" looks over-the-top strange), but for now I'll take it on face value that, indeed, he DOES recognize the laziness of those trying to lynch me. Also I still don't know what he meant by "two scum" in 1504.

DS

- not really sure what to make of him. I'll read back, maybe.

Ythan

- I find it hard to believe he's scum, despite his obnoxiousness. In a game this big you have to figure there's multiple killing factions, so it's not in anyone's interest to be the lead scum-hunter. Either way you'll be a NK target eventually. My hope is eventually someone kills him off and we can return to sanity, but he's not worth a lynch, IMO.


Now that farside got me started, I might as well try to do this for more players. Will do soonish.

In regards to Jb: wouldn't you say your haven't been really helpful. I have some issues with JB that came from day 2 and him blaming ythan for the horror lynch when he did nor said anything during the argument.
Riken I get the feeling he's trying to stir the pot, not sure where it comes from. Question here to lowell do you think he has justification on is ythan vote more so or less after I reviewed his comments

I wouldn't say laziness.
On DS would like your views there.

your view on WRP and ythan seems to mirror my own. I just find your play, reasoning and lack of scum hunting very poor. I recall you fighting hard in a previous game when town and it just rings opposite here.

unvote:
vote: Riken

Riken is my next suspect and his most recent post and retraction is very scummy ontop of what I stated prior

[farside22]

No.

I'm not sure how you think he's treating me any differently then Riddick

.

And how is Ythan treating Riddick?

Go figure it out yourself.

And get the stick out of your ass when you do.

Seriously I'm not the only fucking person in this game. If your going to ride my ass for missing every fucking thing go look in the mirror and yell at yourself because you no saint yourself

No.

Answer the question: How is Ythan treating Riddick?

You should learn to read see bold. That was a question to you and my own mussing. It's an example as in I don't see ythan treating Riddick differently then myself. I asked if you think he did.

[farside22]

You should learn to read see bold. That was a question to you and my own mussing. It's an example as in

I don't see ythan treating Riddick differently then myself.

I asked if you think he did.

And one more time, how is that? How is Ythan treating Riddick? How is Ythan treating you? How are they similar?

you asked me a question without answering now I will just do the same till you do.

Did you not have your own opinion on how ythan was treating me? Did you not just have this big post outlining his budding of me? How many questions will you avoid?

[farside22]

My take on the argument

at this moment

is that you each think the BoP is on the other. Unsight needs farside to explain how it's the same if it's the same, and farside needs Unsight to explain how it's different if it's different. Since neither is what I would call neutral, either one of you can explain.

I explained what I saw in Post Subject 2390 and Post Subject 2394.

As it stands, farside22 has brought Konowa into this saying that Konowa was buddying her and now farside22 has brought Riddick into this... and is dodging the explanation why.

I pointed out a player I saw budding and said something to them.
I pointed out Riddick as a player I have a town read on and I don't see ythan attacking/pissing him off or not asking him questions.
Now how is ythan treating me any differently then Riddick? You stated you saw ythan treating me differently and I'm showing a player I feel he has treated the same as myself. Why would he treat riddick this way if your theory about his buddying and questions is true about myself?
Will you continue to avoid your own post talking about his budding and keep missing the points?

[farside22]

you asked me a question without answering now I will just do the same till you do.

Did you not have your own opinion on how ythan was treating me? Did you not just have this big post outlining his budding of me? How many questions will you avoid?

Of course I did. I made huge posts mentioning and called you on it every time you tried to misinterpret my reasons. Nothing about my position regarding Ythan's behavior is unclear at this point.

Yours is pretty murky though especially now that you're bringing Riddick in. You saw the buddying comment and went "Look at Konowa!" Now you're going "Look at Riddick!"

I don't want to look at them though. I want to look at you and I want you to explain yourself.

Again, how is Ythan treating Riddick?

I see your case as frail for picking on only myself in saying that ythan is buddying but not saying anything about how he treats others. You seemed determined to paint myself or him or both as scum and I notice that you didn't call out others that buddied myself nor did you point out others that ythan buddied. Why is this?

[farside22]

I pointed out a player I saw budding and said something to them.
I pointed out Riddick as a player I have a town read on and I don't see ythan attacking/pissing him off or not asking him questions.
Now how is ythan treating me any differently then Riddick? You stated you saw ythan treating me differently and I'm showing a player I feel he has treated the same as myself. Why would he treat riddick this way if your theory about his buddying and questions is true about myself?
Will you continue to avoid your own post talking about his budding and keep missing the points?

See? That wasn't so hard... yet you made it really hard.

We didn't need half a dozen posts to get to this point. Why were you being so evasive about it?

I think I have scummy view from your predessor and this was the first time I could try to get a feel on what you are about one on one. Plus I disagreed with your point.

[farside22]

I see your case as frail for picking on only myself in saying that ythan is buddying but not saying anything about how he treats others. You seemed determined to paint myself or him or both as scum and I notice that you didn't call out others that buddied myself nor did you point out others that ythan buddied. Why is this?

There is no pair of people that I feel are buddied harder together in this game than you and Ythan and no one was pressing you at all.

So I press you and what do I find:

You ignored his buddying.
You outright lied when confronted about it.
You immediately bite Ythan after I post his Lowell vote/mech for the second time.
It took a couple pages of pressing to get you to admit you do see something in Ythan's playstyle.
You drew attention to Konowa when pressed.
You drew attention to Riddick when pressed.
You resorted to personal insults when pressed.
You dodged a lot of questions.
You became really evasive about questions with seemingly simple answers.

You've tried to hide behind Ythan, Konowa, and Riddick. I really, really don't like that.

You dodged my questions too I noticed. I had one insult which I apologized and explained it as not thinking (it does happen), you dodged my counter points.

Anyways I didn't see it as buddying. I see buddying as someone say oh far I get where your going and I agree.
Or trying to ride a players coat tails. However when a player feels someone is town they start to communicate and start showing things and those who are also town will look into what a player said and go oh shit I missed that. Hence mafia being a team game.
I feel like many people forget this.

[farside22]

Found it.

Looking at my own PM it says I win when I get rid of all people against the town (paraphrased) so I'm don't really see his phrasing as confirmed town.

My PM says the same.

I guess this might mean I owe farside22 an apology. It would be bad form to continue to

threaten

you, but you did react pretty darn badly to my pressing. Are you always so easily flustered?

Did you read the argument between myself and riken or myself and SK?
In short yes I get flustered but for me it's a null tell. However I don't see how not agreeing with you or how I lied but I'm just going to leave it be for now.
Right now I think we should lynch Riken.

[farside22]

hmmm I noticed something myself about riken and another player. Let me go back and look

[farside22]

Okay did a quick iso of riken. He had his top 3 of jb, wrp and ythan. His last post is weak after the unslaught attack earlier.

So with the deadline a week away I have decided to give up the Ythan lynch...for now.

Unvote Ythan

And as I said I am willing vote Jb or Lowell. Either one.

He's not pushing either person as a lynch just a meh I will vote for either comment. I could see a connection to jb based on those few comments from Riken trying to build a case but never voting. Its a something I see from scum where they put feels out but don't vote on a player till they need to.

[farside22]

I can get behind a jb lynch today and worry about Riddick's one post tomorrow.

Just going by the ISO reads and voting patterns, I'd say a Rikenslope lynch is better (more likely scum) but a jbernier93 lynch yields more information on flip simply because he addressed more people than Rikenslope. Thanks to Rikenslope's ISO, I think either lynch is very telling for the other player.

Riken lynch is better in my view too. I can't explain a gut feeling about jb maybe seeing riken's flip will give me insights to jb. But I can't see myself voting jb just ugh I hate having that feeling about a player. I would vote DS before JB right about now too. Something I can't shake with DS either.

[farside22]

I think she stopped because we cleared up my buddying with farside.

I'm sure unless luck is on my side I will be dead tonight.

[farside22]

I'm going to ask one of those inane questions that may have a purpose.
I noticed day 2 with the mod's write up he seemed to imply that Dr. Cy did the shooting during the night. Do we think it's mod flavor or that Dr. Cy was sent out to do the kill? I asked this for a good reason.

[farside22]

Just mussing a bit. Day 2 Dr. Cy didn't really get much heat, plus I had to replace him in another game so I wondered if it was a team choice to send out Dr. cyn. If he was the killer.
Hear me out a bit on this and just theory basing on this: When I'm scum and I believe people are suspicious of me I will send a player that is my scum buddy to perform the hit.
Now I think a tracker is really useful ability but maybe the mod only will send in the results to the player. So since Dr. Cy was MIA (missing in action) I could see this as a scum choice to send him out as the killer, but I wonder if it was because he was MIA or because he didn't have much suspicion on him.

And just and FYI to riddick I don't allow the mafia to do a kill an ability as a mod unless they are the last mafia player standing.

[farside22]

I've been calling Ythan scum since fairly early day 2, assuming I'm remembering correctly...

I remember this vote and reasoning and made comments on why I disagreed and didn't care for the reasoning there.

No offense when I say this jb but most everyone in this game has attacked you for or laid claim to wanting to vote you making this statement here;

In most of the games I've played in, (be it I was scum or town) the players who attack me are usually town.

Can be generalized to most players in the game. I would like your views on the following people:

DS, Riken, Lowell and mole

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I read 2256 I have no idea why Jb likes and agrees with it. Expand with reasoning...........

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ah so we have moved on to Rikenslope? Completely fine by me.

Vote: Rikenslope

Were you not supposed to get more insights into other plays eventually?
I swear I asked you for your views on others.

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yay I had some views on him here:

pman5595 -pman what is the difference between horror's action and WRP's actions? Is' it me or does this sound like pman believes horror's claim?
pman wrote:
Horror, you have to understand we have to lynch a vanilla claim right?

mmm I could be wrong based on his other post. Him saying this is his first game as town makes me want to read his other games now.
Interesting view of riken. I would like quotes on this. For reference pman it's iso post 19.
Iso post 20 makes me feel really good thoughts on pman.
pman why did you push for lowell over riken at the start of day 3?
The rest of pman post is really sad. I would like his views on more then just riken and lowell at this point. Overall I don't see scum.

He has been back and forth on the 2 and I wanted more then just the blah from him.

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@pman: Just saw it. Not really indepth.....
I guess it's too much to hope for more?
@Lowell: I know I see scum buddy up to town we all have had that talk and as lowell will attest is how well it works too.

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@ Farside post 2141: I am still not seeing why you FoS'd Ythan you said yourself that "Ythan was practically question most everyone on everything." If he has been that way to everyone, did you think Fos'ing him for it would make him stop?

The FOS there means I found him suspicious for not questioning SK as he questioned others.

And what exactly is the difference in eating popcorn and watching a fight versus calling both of them children and writing out a scenario of what's its like in your head?

I asked them to stop. There is the difference. Keep missing that post though it makes you much more scummier that way.


The other 2 comments towards me was just Riken being an ass again and not worth responding more then saying *cough* asshole *cough*

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By the by for someone that Riken found scummy on day 2 he sure has hell had no issue following him here.

Here's what I was looking for.

Glad the Richard issue was cleared up. And dead scum too!

Perfect tell, commenting on the obvious. You mostly appear town, but IGMEOY.

Morning all...
So Richard is gone and so is Crypto.
One townie, one mafia.
Not bad for a night 1...I guess. Although I could have done without seeing a townie PR gone so quickly. I am going to re-read day one and come up with a more substantive post a little later.

Nothing.

This is also an interesting piece of that particular puzzle if you didn't see.

Even though I don't like Ythan (by way of thinking he is scummy or at least a bully (anti-town)) I must concur with his logic against NS. It seems solid and until NS comes up with an explanation.

Unvote
Vote: NS

And Riken still didn't answer my questions a few pages ago but still has time to be an asshat. Awesome stuff. Just awesome.

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The very next post a few minutes later.

I'm voting now for NS

unvote:
vote:Nobody Special

buddying, following, and oh I thought I had something bs, bs, bs.
Plus he FOS'ed someone he says he trust. Give me a break. Pure scum.

Kids stop squabbling and vote for NS. Thanks

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My post is not encouraging. I sure as hell didn't tell them to carry on like you did Riken. Oh wait lets keep missing that point too it makes you so much less scummier.

Why don't you go answer the questions I asked here:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 32#2194432

Till then you can call me dodgy all you want but it's just hypocritical in my view.

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And it's WIFOM because when I used it as evidence that is what all you "Obvtown" Said. So I guess it must be true...I mean

so far you guys are what 0/2

for proper baddie lynches

Kthnxbai.

I just totally read that as scum mocking town for mislynching.

Definitely mocking. Sarcasm and lack of scum hunting all in one. Should I note that out of the 2 lynches he was on one of those lynches so I would say he's not been really doing all so great. Oh wait he's scum so why criticize him for not bussing.

@Rik in regard to my comment about WRP.

Do you know WRP is a scum's wet dream of an easy lynch? I'm sorry for being crude but if WRP is town he's the easiest person to make a case on for his anti-town behavoir. He's also if scum an easy way for scum to buss and looks oh so shiny. I suspect he's a VI.

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In regards to what ever question Rik is trying to ask is in regards to this post:

Do you believe that the right play for a game that has stalled is immediately lynch or attempt to generate more discussion?

How much discussion has lowell done, or riken, or jb? I mean really I asked everyone to list who they find scummy and I maybe had 4 people replay. Out of X players alive I can't say everyone not answering is scum.
Try getting discussion from someone who isnt contributing/trying or doing anything in the game. Please be my guest becuase I'm frankly tired of hitting my head against a wall in this game.

I noticed you sliced out most of what I stated so maybe rik missed the point I was making in that I have tried to do discussion but others in the game that are actively lurking or offering really nothing of value make discussion just between those who are active. If getting rid of one of the 3 helps then I'm all for lynching any of the 3 immediately.

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@riken: Who are you calling "obvtown"?

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Farside "Obvtown" is everyone who apparently Ythan has fingered as town, Himself, You, and Unsight.

Out of the 3 above that you are being oh so catty about only 1 of them actually was on both horror and NS. So..........yeah just felt like pointing out your ego is not valid.

Is it me or does Riken always come off catty when being attacked by a player? I saw it with Ray, myself and now Ythan.

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Is it me or does Riken always come off catty when being attacked by a player? I saw it with Ray, myself and now Ythan.

Everyone does if you push the right buttons.

Everyone comes off catty? mmmm not everyone. He gets sarcastic with every post no matter what a player says.

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I have riken on ignore. If he says something of value that isn't bitting, sarcastic or bitchy someone let me know.

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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

*checks thread*

Nope nothing changed as far as riken.

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It was Startransmission, if you're wondering.

What is that comment about anyways.

Can someone please put riken on l-1 maybe he will claim or hammer himself if he's scum.

Nacho is probable scum trying to derail riken or scum trying to keep his scum partner being lynched.
How close are we to deadline?

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Oops. Let's try that post again without me clicking submit instead of preview.

Can someone please put riken on l-1 maybe he will claim or hammer himself if he's scum.

Nacho is probable scum trying to derail riken or scum trying to keep his scum partner being lynched.

I doubt Nacho is scum for that post and I think you're overreacting. It reads more silly than serious to me.

Really? Have you seen his post where he keeps saying he see's me as scum and then says he believe's I just guessed correctly about the win con?
Then he says if I was obv town why was I not dead. If that's not scummy let me know why.

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Oops. Let's try that post again without me clicking submit instead of preview.

Can someone please put riken on l-1 maybe he will claim or hammer himself if he's scum.

Nacho is probable scum trying to derail riken or scum trying to keep his scum partner being lynched.

I doubt Nacho is scum

for that post

and I think you're overreacting. It reads more silly than serious to me.

Really? Have you seen his post where he keeps saying he see's me as scum and then says he believe's I just guessed correctly about the win con?
Then he says if I was obv town why was I not dead. If that's not scummy let me know why.

I haven't read Nacho's ISO yet. I'll do that tomorrow when there's more information to go on.

Though, if those things were bothering you so much then why wasn't he on your priority lynch list for today?

I said something about his comments at the time. Whether he is scum I'm basing it on his comments and it could be a gut check reaction. Now him saying it at this point and time and so close to lynch I felt maybe scum with Riken.

HAMMER
HAMMER
HAMMER
HAMMER

Seriously Riken should have claimed when he was at L-2 and we were at least not so close to deadline if he was town.

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mod: Please include the deadline date please.

unvote:
vote: DS

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Then who are we killing.

Dedicate Scribe, Jb or lowell.

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jbernier's DA BEST WAGON. scribe is the worst of those 3 IMO.

Why?

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nacho doesn't appear to have read the game in full.
Either there is a vig killing mafia or there is a serial killer. Now if you believe there is both then WIFOM away all you want.
To say it's a guess on my part and calling crypto out with his misrep is more WIFOM.
Giving no reason for your views on the players you find scum certainly doesn't win any points in your favor.

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nacho doesn't appear to have read the game in full.

I've read everything except Day 2. What great revelations are in that day? And... Can I have my question answered? Am I confirmed town for correcting the paraphrase in a witty way? By the way, what do you think of Dragonfly?

Hello, why isn't Dragonfly scum? His scumbuddy tried to confirm his predecessor after he fudged up his fake role-claim, and Dragonfly has redeemed the slot... how?

You are not confirmed town. WRP was getting the people voting for him for being a VI. Dragon fly is lurking, unhelpful, ect.
You know that Dragon is scum with crypto? Can you tell me if this is true how you know or can I just vote for your now?
You want dragon lynched be my guess and vote for him then.

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Everyone who appears to be online has voted Fly.

I'm not switching to the VI. Someone who isn't an ass needs to convince me why I should.

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reading crypto in iso and seeing his reason's for voting for WRP all I can say is what he calls out to WRP but not calling out Dr. Cyn for the same type of posting makes me doubt that the lynch in question will just flip a VI.

*adds Nacho to a$$hole list*

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Deadline?

April 3rd.
Look everyone's new found sarcastic friend isn't voting dragon.
zzzzzzzzzzz

*looks into crystal ball*
I see a hammer by said player and a VI lynched.

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derpderpderp

I say do not worry about a Dragonfly replacement at this point.
Lynch the useless slot and please let us move on.

I concern. WRP claimed town day 1 after the fake shot from Riddick.

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I tried other angles.

unvote:
vote: dragonfly

Lets give an end to this day and see what is really up.

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DS should be vigged. Just my two cents

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And maybe you have one in which you have to write every post like an arrogant condescending douche.

I believe that is just his normal personality.


Sorry I can see ythan rubbing many people badly for some of his ways.

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My bah post is a thank you to whom ever killed me and put me out of this 100+ game.

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Damn Riddick got me but I started to think kison was scum. Some people just started to look town and others looked scum. I was so pissed that the scum got the VT after a day and I didn't figure it out till I was dead that scum may have been given info after the mod's forgetfulness to post in in the game.
I thought Nacho was scum here too.