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Post Post #1975 (ISO) » Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:13 pm

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In post 1970, Thestatusquo wrote:One of the things thats very important to playing magic well is the question "why is my opponent doing this?" which leads you to think about what cards might be in his hand and which of them you can successfully play around. In this case, depending on the deck, and the game situation, there is not a lot of reason for your opponent to attack (unless the life gain was super relevant) except to bait you into blocking, and there are tons of things that absolutely blow you out for doing so. If you had thought through this line of play it leads you to thinking about what bloodrush he could have, what burn he could have, izzet staticaster, etc, which would make me personally think that single blocking is probably not an option here. Taking it and double or triple blocking were probably your best options.


He had previously swung at me and I blocked, and he was like "ok pass turn" and I like I said I had protection from burn already, he didn't have green in his deck so no blood rush. I just didn't think of staticasters and got tarped like a baddie.
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Post Post #1976 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:31 am

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Thats fair. If your opponent has given you reason to believe that he doesn't have anything then perhaps you make that block there. However, I can't know if I think it was correct without knowing more of the gamestate. It's possible that the risk of him drawing something is higher than the utility you get out of saving that damage, and therefore it is still incorrect to block.
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Post Post #1977 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:57 am

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Attacking with a 3/5 Faithmender into a 4/4 is a perfectly reasonable play even without a trick. That's 6 life gained (3 from the lifelink plus 3 from the Faithmender's ability) per swing. You can either keep your blocker up and eat it or start a race you will surely lose. When your opponent's best play is already attacking every turn, it's kind of hard to see that trick coming.
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Post Post #1978 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:33 pm

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But I could've afforded to take another 3 damage (I was at 20 or 17 I think), because I had like 2 VStrengths and 2 Rancors in my hand. Risking my best body to PUT that shit on was hella dumb and cost me the game.

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Post Post #1979 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:35 pm

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Anyways COCKATRICE got shut down and I'm surprised no one's posted about it here

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WHAT DO FOR PLAYTESTING NAO?


Cockatrice was p. much free advertising for Magic and helped people get into the game... I know playing make-up drafts on there with scummers helped suck me in because I'd have never paid the start up fees for MTGO or whatever.
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Post Post #1980 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:24 pm

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yeah, cockatrice getting shut down pretty much confirmed for me that I'm never going to play with cards that aren't just Pie's extras because I'm never going to be into the game enough to buy cards without testing them out first... the one possible exception being if I'm buying a starter deck of certain colors I want to play or something like that. The randomness of packs doesn't appeal to me at all.

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Post Post #1981 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:10 pm

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There are these magical things called MWS and OCTGN.

For drafting, I think Netdeck still is a thing? Or something like that.
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Post Post #1982 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:45 pm

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netdraft.
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Post Post #1983 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:27 pm

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Also, take 60 basic lands. Here, take a sharpie. Write on them. Viola. Proxies. Perfect for testing out decks. Also, google image search. Print. Sleeves. Viola. Proxies.

Or, just draft to build your collection. I don't spend much money on magic. I just win a lot of drafts and trade.
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Post Post #1984 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:14 pm

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I'm so mad they're trying to shut down Cockatrice. I firmly believe a large portion of the reason they had players continue to play so much was the ease of playtesting. MTGO is a clusterfuck and they want us to pay double for the cards, so that's not a viable playtesting option. I suppose MWS is still an option but I mean... how long until that one goes down?
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Post Post #1985 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:46 pm

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MWS has been around forever. There is presumably a reason cock got shut down and it hasn't.
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Post Post #1986 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:49 pm

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MWS has existed for like literally 15 years. Also, I disagree with your assertion that most players play because of cockatrice. In general, most casual players don't know that such a program even exists. The world of magic doesn't really exist for them outside of their kitchen table environment, and, in general, these are the players that buy the most sealed magic product (competitive players tend to buy singles)

Lastly, mtgo, if you play constructed, is much cheaper. MUCH cheaper. Like, commons and uncommons that are worth 50cents to a dollar irl are worth like 5 cents online. Rares that are worth 5 are 1. Blind obediance, for instance, is a 8$ card irl. It's 1.50 online. Shocklands are 10$ in real life, they're 3-4$ online. This is because the market is constantly being flooded by the number of drafts firing every hour which is way higher than irl.

The only exception to this rule used to be mythics, because they were highly sought after because they were necessary for set redemption, which in general is how the bots on mtgo make their money. However, they just raised the set redemption fee online from 5$ to 25$, so I wouldn't be surprised if the market on mtgo crashed even further, allowing us to play constructed on there for dirt cheap.

I would say the reason MWS hasnt been shut down is that its not owned by anyone. No one is making money off of it. The project hasn't been active for a very long time. All that remains are the servers and the program itself. Cockatrice had an active owner who was actively making money in advertising revenue. I assume thats why they got the CnD.
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Post Post #1987 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:22 pm

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Yeah, Shea's right on the money.
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Post Post #1988 (ISO) » Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:14 am

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yeah Shea's pretty right.

Hell even if you sell your cards to a vendor for cheap (or on Ebay) and THEN switch to MTGO we'd probably make a profit Reck.

its just pretty dangerous to have access to my addiction on my computer... the hell else would I do with my time >_>
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Post Post #1989 (ISO) » Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:31 am

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Wack it?
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Post Post #1990 (ISO) » Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:48 am

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In post 1988, Fate wrote:yeah Shea's pretty right.

Hell even if you sell your cards to a vendor for cheap (or on Ebay) and THEN switch to MTGO we'd probably make a profit Reck.

its just pretty dangerous to have access to my addiction on my computer... the hell else would I do with my time >_>


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Post Post #1991 (ISO) » Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:38 pm

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going to a PTQ tomorrow with this list:

4 Geist of St. Traft
4 Snapcaster Mage
3 Restoration Angel

4 lightning bolt
4 remand
3 path to exile
3 lightning helix
3 mana leak
3 electrolyze
2 cryptic command
2 izzet charm

4 arid mesa
4 scalding tarn
4 celestial colonnade
2 Hallowed Fountain
2 Steam Vents
2 island
2 Tectonic Edge
1 plains
1 mountain
1 Eiganjo Castle
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Sulfur Falls

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2 Sowing Salt
3 Molten Rain
2 Pithing needle
2 Counterflux
2 Censore Mentale Aviano (Aven Mindscensor)
2 Stony Silence
1 pyroclasm
1 Supreme Verdict

Wish me luck.
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Post Post #1992 (ISO) » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:43 pm

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Post Post #1993 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:53 pm

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if someone can help teach me how2magic i'll totes get this hit
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Post Post #1994 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:46 am

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why the fuck haven't you been run off the site yet
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Post Post #1995 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:48 am

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Sorry, I had some coffee this morning.

Let me rephrase that.



Shea, do you play those colors in Standard (when you play standard)? Would you ever be interested in skrimming against me on MWS or something because that's a tough match-up for me.

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Post Post #1996 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:53 am

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sum1 still mad i didn't bow down to him and instead shot him in the forehead in the middle of day1. :P
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Post Post #1997 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:27 am

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In post 1996, Maruchan wrote:sum1 still mad i didn't bow down to him and instead shot him in the forehead in the middle of day1. :P


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Post Post #1998 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:30 am

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In post 1995, Fate wrote:Sorry, I had some coffee this morning.

Let me rephrase that.



Shea, do you play those colors in Standard (when you play standard)? Would you ever be interested in skrimming against me on MWS or something because that's a tough match-up for me.

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Dude, I'll run WUR against you on MWS/OCTGN if you want to test.
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Post Post #1999 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:47 am

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Hmmm think this is a good chance to set-up this post:

Standard Training Grounds


If you're interested in testing a brew, practicing a match-up, trying out SB options, this is the post for you!
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