Mini 1632 - Zar's Holiday Bash - Mardi Gras Showdown - Over!

[elleheathen]

Ahhh, you're thinking it's mylo?

[elleheathen]

Meh, I don't see it being 4.

[Zar]

Listening to Lake Village Radio at the Request of the Zar Estate: Love is a Battlefield!

Day 5, Votecount 2

serrapaladin (1):

SB

Not Voting (4)

: Thor665, serrapaladin, elleheathen, Garmr

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline

: February 24, 2015 3:45 PM New York Time. (GMT+5)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2015-02-24 15:45:00)

Thor665 is V/LA until 2/12

[serrapaladin]

Well then just hurry up and lynch me so I can finally ignore this game.

[SB]

I don't really have examples of scum excessively buddying on MS because well... I don't really read games here that much. I remember an offsite game I played in before though where two scum hard defended each other until the game reached lylo and it worked really well there. We probably wouldn't have been able to get acfan and Aero as easily as we did if we didn't get a massive block of clears thrown at us.

Also, having less PRs than mafia members in a 13p game would be stupid and if there were 4 scum I'm pretty sure they would've been able to quickhammer somebody over the last few phases so...

[Thor665]

No it's not? Give me recent example of scum seriously buddying.

Isn't that your case against me for the AC thing? Why is my hard defense and buddying a scumtell for me, but when someone does it towards you it means nothing?

@Garmr - the only validity I see towards a 4 man pair is the odd amount of town clearing power versus not a lot of flipped scum capability. The thing is, that is also a valid argument for a third scum with a good PR, so it's kind of a non-starter at this stage.

I'm actually in agreement with you that scum probably are beefier than they appear just because it would help explain that odd droog shot, and also maybe the lack of shooting at you when you were apparently claiming targets. I also think the conversation is mildly meaningless at this particular stage because a no lynch is unlikely to be helpful to us as either you or Elle will die and...big whoop for that. So, really, we have to take a stab at most likely buddy regardless.

I'm catching up all over site today, and have some work to catch up on either, but I'll promise to pay some real attention to your VCA, and maybe add a bit of mine also, as I do think this is a good time for that. Really, I mostly want to just mine AC/Aero and try to get a feel for who they did or did not actually push.

[Garmr]

Don't worry there will be a lynch today I just want to work with what I have before I lynch.

[Thor665]

Looking over AC I could see a functional connection to either SB or Serra.
Functionally he treats SB the same way he treated Aero though - as in total not conversation topic.
He was supportive and protective of Serra.
I also think anyone reading that iso and still thinking I'm AC's partner deserves to be forced to explain how they think that looks like a bus in any way at all - because you usually don't leap off a confirmed town clear to then press on a rando-bus from nowhere last I checked.

[Thor665]

The most I get from Howl (and that one indeed just took seconds) is that, again, I think it makes it pretty clear I'm not in the mix, mostly due to that second to last comment from him.
Seriously - he called *both* of his scumbuddies jumpy?
Tell me more.

I don't see anything that enlightens me on the Serra/SB axis.

[Thor665]

Aero played the most complex game of the scum I've looked over.

The SB interactions are hard to read as scum/scum. It *might* be distancing, certainly on the last day it almost reads like that, but the AC lynch day he almost seems annoyed and seems more intent to argue with her about ruling me/reinoe out for some reason which might make sense if they're buddies and he was annoyed by the rule out of a town player, but, y;know, at that stage why would SB rule me out in any case? Buddying? Meh. The only reservation I have is that he did try to paint a SB/Thor scumteam, with SB as the first to go. That move makes more sense if SB is his buddy, though it may have just been an attempt to set up a 'whelp, was wrong about one, but certainly not the other, huzzah!' sort of attempt.

I find the Serra/Reinoe thing interesting, as he doesn't really talk about the debate and basically dances around weighing in, yet on the day where there's an option of Thor or AC he kind of suddenly recalls that he found Serra more townish for it due to 'reasons' and somehow I look scummy for...also 'reasons'.

I got no info out of Golden's iso

I think I'm leaning Serra as the most likely due to interactions. The flipped scum either seemed to have pointedly no opinion about him or were vague to townish on him.

[Thor665]

Looking back over my thoughts I think I support my Serra conclusion AC leans a bit more for SB as scumpartner, but the Aero/SB interaction is pretty complicated stuff if just a bus.
Scum blatantly wanted Garmr dead, so I also tend to lean that they didn't have a GF or equivalent - and if they had an RBer who could lock on him then they played it amazingly dumb..

[Thor665]

@SB - do you have any completed scum games I could look at? Preferably ones where you went deep into the game, maybe even to lylo?

[SB]

I don't have any scumgames on MS. I can link to some offsite games if you want I guess?

[elleheathen]

Meh.

VOTE: serra

[serrapaladin]

It might actually be SB. He's been terribly justifying his scumread on me.

[Thor665]

I don't have any scumgames on MS. I can link to some offsite games if you want I guess?

I would very much like that.

It might actually be SB. He's been terribly justifying his scumread on me.

Yeah, I kind of figured once I asked pointed question about my "scumbuddies" that I'd be off the table magically.

But, okay, let's say I want to buy in to the idea that SB is scum - what have you got, really? The Aero interaction doesn't really look too sensible for a scum/scum. I mean, it might, but that's some pretty solid scum play if it is.

[Thor665]

@SB - do you have any completed scum games I could look at?

Preferably ones where you went deep into the game, maybe even to lylo?

The bolded is an important part of the ask, fyi

[serrapaladin]

Nope, don't care

[Thor665]

Yeah, it can be tough to stay motivated when busted. Actually I don't care about the SB thing anymore, I'm good.

Vote: Serra

[Thor665]

So, what was the deal with not killing Garmr though? Was it the idea he would lie about target?
And why kill Droog prior to TSO?

[serrapaladin]

You are scum, aren't you?

[serrapaladin]

No way does Thor think that me giving up is a scum tell.

[serrapaladin]

And the questions are obviously for show.

[serrapaladin]

Good luck town, I guess.

[Thor665]

You suck , either way.