NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Desperado]

i also don't think varsoon's townplay after replacing in to a game where 90% of the sorting had already been done is indicative of much of anything

It shows that he makes weird false dichotomies as town!

that's cool

i already said i don't care if he did it as town once. why do you suppose he can't justify his stance beyond "i isoed them and it's like xenogears"?

Except I ALREADY DID.


I guess you just ignore anything that might prove you wrong and cherry-pick things that are convenient for your 'case', even if you're outright lying about them--as I've proven.

I'm getting pretty sick of you parroting non-issues like they're somehow relevant.

so why are you telling me you did instead of just quoting you doing it and making me look like a total ass?

i already quoted what i consider your korean/ssk case. make me look stupid.

[Cephrir]

I have been justifying it.

I'm not as convinced as I started out (shhhh its a secret) but still think it's the best wagon by a longshot. If you'd prefer I move to you though perhaps that could be arranged (not really).

It disturbs me that you're scumreading me here after correctly scumreading me in my other two games with you ever (I think my play is pretty different here). I guess you just think I'm scum all the time and I've been giving you too much credit!

Thor managed to read someone correctly???

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Casso

Thanks for making this easy for me

You're voting me for a joke?

is thor talking about thorself in the thord person then?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait that's cabd's I thought he was signing with ~ not mara.

[Casso the King of Seals]

No...?

[geists]

Yeah, maybe town-Casso. The last 2 days of Nacho posts make me feel better about him.

[Cephrir]

No...?

premise- you are nacho
premise- you are scumreading me strongly enough to not have any caveat in that post
conclusion- you are scum

[MC Maraca]

He stopped putting effort in.

He didn't react to me placing him in my town list, and I don't remember why I had put him there, in the first place

Pedit: yeah, but I do agree with that read. He only signed during my fight with tammy

[MC Maraca]

Ceph, I'm thinking he's surprised that Thor managed to read anyone correctly

[Stuffed Crust]

What is your read on Generic?

Generic's interaction with the game (scum hunting, questions asked, info garnered, etc) is pretty sub-par, in my opinion. However, his reads and votes follow a progression that I can understand. He's been on the fence about be for awhile now, but it upsets me that his reason for finally voting me is so lackluster. I have him in my earlier reads list as pretty town, and that's mostly due to the fact that his play is coherent and doesn't feel like it has ulterior motives to it. That said, he's only really joined sensational wagons, so I'm a bit skeptical. I'd put him as null-leaning town right now, because I can see how his play would benefit an overall scum agenda, but it feels like it's genuinely individualistic and genial.

-V

[Cephrir]

Ceph, I'm thinking he's surprised that Thor managed to read anyone correctly

Oh, I get it now. >.<

VOTE: SC

[Casso the King of Seals]

No...?

premise- you are nacho
premise- you are scumreading me strongly enough to not have any caveat in that post
conclusion- you are scum

You said that Thor read you correctly in two games.
I express surprise that Thor read anyone correctly ever.
Nowhere did I call you scum.

[Cephrir]

Actually I need to reassess things

UNVOTE:

I'll deal with this later.

[MC Maraca]

Town:

1. Tammy - More mara's read than mine.
2. geists (fferyllt + Natirasha) -mostly cabd head; you should be ashamed I beat you to a reads list.
4. MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) oh hey these scumfucks snuck into my townblock?
13. KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) - mara's read
11. BROseidon - I have my reasons
10. pieguyn - you're not nearly as innocent child status as i'd like though
19. Cephrir - Mara has him down as super duper town
18. DOMO - Meta; being scum with him in 165

Meh:

6. Generic- not as obvtown as I would have hoped, will make mara sort later
9. Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon) - Half of varsoon's shit has pinged me, I dunno.
8. MafiaSSK - the higher level of activity here as opposed to his past town games makes me wonder things.
15. Sakura Hana - Do something super town so I can put you up a rank please.
17. zMuffinMan- I can't read you for shit so I guess I'll just have to wait and see; nothing jumps out so far.

Not so Town:

3. Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665) - Mara disagrees slightly
12. Brian Skies - The dismal amount of effort you're bringing here scares me.
20. Desperado - I'm not seeing the OMG PASSION town desp brings to games. I see "meh make a few posts" then coasting from the Atlantic to the Pacific
5. F-16_Fighting_Falcon - the lack of effort here is surprising me and actually kind of making me sad, worried the fuck out of me

In this game?

7. roflcopter - Bitching about large amounts of posts when that's how some players read each other won't get you anywhere
14. goodmorning - START DOING SHIT LIKE OMG
16. pitoli - SEE GOODMORNING

Oh, I see this was made. Cool

Tammy's a little more Meh-read now. She was God-town earlier, but holding a grudge on an attack that I had made earlier and not understanding where my paranoia of her is coming from is a little weird. The emotions were, and still are town as fuck though and isn't something that isn't easily replicated as scum even by me and my ability to replicate most, if not all of my major town-tells is something I have alot of pride over.

I don't like the Pie read

or the domo read (but that's Rev so my read there is going to be cagey as fuck)

a little bit more happier with Casso and Desp, would even move both of them to maybe town

Down-grade SSK

downgrade muffinman
Downgrade sakura? might keep her where she's at

Uprade Copter to town, maybe. Need to relook at that other normal game I had with him though him being VT there is interesting

Mmm, everything else looks good from my perspective.

I was talking about this list, though

VOTE: Pie

I want our vote here, the most I think

[Cephrir]

No...?

premise- you are nacho
premise- you are scumreading me strongly enough to not have any caveat in that post
conclusion- you are scum

You said that Thor read you correctly in two games.
I express surprise that Thor read anyone correctly ever.
Nowhere did I call you scum.

yep yep yep

sorry lol

[Cephrir]

Town:

1. Tammy - More mara's read than mine.
2. geists (fferyllt + Natirasha) -mostly cabd head; you should be ashamed I beat you to a reads list.
4. MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) oh hey these scumfucks snuck into my townblock?
13. KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) - mara's read
11. BROseidon - I have my reasons
10. pieguyn - you're not nearly as innocent child status as i'd like though
19. Cephrir - Mara has him down as super duper town
18. DOMO - Meta; being scum with him in 165

Meh:

6. Generic- not as obvtown as I would have hoped, will make mara sort later
9. Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon) - Half of varsoon's shit has pinged me, I dunno.
8. MafiaSSK - the higher level of activity here as opposed to his past town games makes me wonder things.
15. Sakura Hana - Do something super town so I can put you up a rank please.
17. zMuffinMan- I can't read you for shit so I guess I'll just have to wait and see; nothing jumps out so far.

Not so Town:

3. Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665) - Mara disagrees slightly
12. Brian Skies - The dismal amount of effort you're bringing here scares me.
20. Desperado - I'm not seeing the OMG PASSION town desp brings to games. I see "meh make a few posts" then coasting from the Atlantic to the Pacific
5. F-16_Fighting_Falcon - the lack of effort here is surprising me and actually kind of making me sad, worried the fuck out of me

In this game?

7. roflcopter - Bitching about large amounts of posts when that's how some players read each other won't get you anywhere
14. goodmorning - START DOING SHIT LIKE OMG
16. pitoli - SEE GOODMORNING

Oh, I see this was made. Cool

Tammy's a little more Meh-read now. She was God-town earlier, but holding a grudge on an attack that I had made earlier and not understanding where my paranoia of her is coming from is a little weird. The emotions were, and still are town as fuck though and isn't something that isn't easily replicated as scum even by me and my ability to replicate most, if not all of my major town-tells is something I have alot of pride over.

I don't like the Pie read

or the domo read (but that's Rev so my read there is going to be cagey as fuck)

a little bit more happier with Casso and Desp, would even move both of them to maybe town

Down-grade SSK

downgrade muffinman
Downgrade sakura? might keep her where she's at

Uprade Copter to town, maybe. Need to relook at that other normal game I had with him though him being VT there is interesting

Mmm, everything else looks good from my perspective.

I was talking about this list, though

VOTE: Pie

I want our vote here, the most I think

I think I am beginning to agree with this, his questioning of me felt kind of robotic

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

@EVERYONE: if one of my townreads or null-town reads is wrong who do you think it probably is?

This sentence is actually bad on so many levels.

[Stuffed Crust]

so why are you telling me you did instead of just quoting you doing it and making me look like a total ass?

i already quoted what i consider your korean/ssk case. make me look stupid.

Because I already quoted me doing it, yo. That's 1862.

My initial call on scum between korean/ssk isn't very articulated/push-heavy because it was never meant to be a hard scum push on either.
I've explained this.
In the aftermath, as SSK's wagon deflated and BBQ continued to hold votes, I found that BBQ's interactions with others were disengaging/avoiding the spotlight as my own wagon grew. Lots of people jumped off of SSK's wagon to push mine (with poor reasoning that I've already exposed), and since I know that I am town, it makes me believe that SSK's wagon (and mine) are scum-motivated. Since SSK's wagon was held in contrast to BBQ's wagon (crossvote, etc), all of this leads me to believe that BBQ's wagon was town-motivated. Does that make sense?

-V

[Desperado]

and all of this leads to you not listing korean in your scumpool later how?

[Desperado]

cuz it looks like you've put a ton of thought into that stage of the game which leads me to question how you forgot all of it for even a moment

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Actually I'm down with Pie.

Vote: Pie

Nearly 0 scumhunting, and the only case/scumread is on the dude with the largest wagon

Like I don't actually get the feeling they have any interest of solving this game.

[Stuffed Crust]

and all of this leads to you not listing korean in your scumpool later how?

cuz it looks like you've put a ton of thought into that stage of the game which leads me to question how you forgot all of it for even a moment

I've already addressed this as well.
I've included KoreanBBQ in my reads list as scum (after 1567, which is consistent with the analysis work I'm doing in 1566), so it's obvious that I did not forget about him.
When I was presenting people I thought were scummy (the scumpool you're referring to in post 1567), that was in reaction to the events that had just happened. Ergo, the words, "If I had to make a scum-pool now" with emphasis on the 'now'.

I can see where you're having the hangup, but it's not like I 'forgot' that I was scum-reading BBQ.

Furthermore, I can't really see how that's alignment indicative.

-V

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Arthur, I generally townhunt much more than I scumhunt and try to catch scum through POE, so I am going to end up defending a lot more than attacking. My post about Tammy/Maraca was probably one of my most heartfelt ones in this game and I don't like the dismissal of it as whiteknighting.

I got the opposite impression from Pieguyn's posts. It felt as if he was scumhunting constantly right from the moment he replaced in. He came in, questioning Sakura, then moved onto DOMO, and then to StuffedCrust. He seemed to have plenty of cases and he listed quite a few scumreads in his reads list. Tell me how he has done 0 scunhunting.

[Desperado]

Furthermore, I can't really see how that's alignment indicative.

you being unable to keep up with the bullshit that you spin as scum is hella alignment indicative

you slipped all over the place in xenogears, to the point where i couldn't even be fucked to point them all out to everyone in my dogged pursuit of bussing you

i let you get away in calvin and hobbes and it isn't happening again

[Generic]

Okay, we'll toss Tammy off the board for a while and I will live in continued awareness that one of my foibles in being town is I expect everyone to be able to do what I do when I'm scum, and apparently that's actually quite rare.

You should scrub yourself til you bleed after you posted that.

I felt dirty just requoting it

Why?

The sheer arrogance of it... *shudder*

Now look at who's running away!

Bitch please, my phone died.


Are you town reading casso?

yeah, but if I'm scum with them, why does it matter?

I listed about 6-7 scummy people. This is a big game but I think that would be a tad one sided wouldn't you agree?

And besides, your sarcastic remark suggests once you see someone as scummy you don't bother pushing for their opinion or continue to assess them... It's fucking day 1 mara, I know you know I'm good at this game but if I've got the db I'm team identified already I'm using this to gloat for the next year. B)

[Generic]

What is your read on Generic?

Generic's interaction with the game (scum hunting, questions asked, info garnered, etc) is pretty sub-par, in my opinion. However, his reads and votes follow a progression that I can understand. He's been on the fence about be for awhile now, but it upsets me that his reason for finally voting me is so lackluster. I have him in my earlier reads list as pretty town, and that's mostly due to the fact that his play is coherent and doesn't feel like it has ulterior motives to it. That said, he's only really joined sensational wagons, so I'm a bit skeptical. I'd put him as null-leaning town right now, because I can see how his play would benefit an overall scum agenda, but it feels like it's genuinely individualistic and genial.

-V

I was third into geists. And my first three votes were held for a significant period.

But I have isoed you and found you have tactual oh also argued against the accusations amongst the bullshit. So that was a misrep on my part.

And your assessment of me I like a lot, even though I actually think my efforts are better than sub par.

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