Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

[Shinobi]

Here are some big bold letters for you: I think BBT is town.

Now you have no excuse for it not being obvious and you have gained the ability to bother someone else.

Good day to you SIR.

[Malakittens]

Also I been back and forth on BBT, but I feel like every game we had since our newbie our playstyles clashed. His tunneling didn't feel like super scummy, but more so frustrating to me. The only thing that bothered me about BBT was the asking for reads which he did over and over again in the newbie game where he was scum.
He also townslipped IMO in the beginning of D2. I know it's weak, but if he was scum and he was talking to his partners about who we should kill etc he would have remembered that someone was dead.

[Malakittens]

He reached out to me. That felt town surprisingly >.>

RE:Joshtown

[davesaz]

My biggest scumread is Uct; the person I'm voting.

Pay attention to my behavior. It's there to see, if you're willing to see it.

Thanks for the answer on Shinobi. If the lie I'm running down weren't really a lie then I'd be back to being willing to think of him as town, or at least not immediately scum. He's certainly not the only player who has caught my interest.

Did you post details on Uct? Going to the store but I have time to look back later, so if you did then no need to repeat. If you didn't, then pretty please?

Pedit @Shinobi. Look, that kind of inconsistency is a scumtell. It's like one of the most important scumtells that doesn't rely on VCA, and it needs to be investigated. Please don't take it personally. I was kinda hoping you might post content or something, to back your case, instead of getting upset about it.

UNVOTE:

Spoiler: Note to future self:

I'm going to be incredibly pissed with myself if it turns out this guy really was scum, because that will make 2 games out of 5 starts that I had something and dropped it.

[Shinobi]

Nha, I'm not offended at all. I'm just over-the-top and junk 'cause it's fun.

[Shinobi]

If you really want how I feel about BBT though, here's what I could say about him:

He tunnels as either alignment. The last time he tunneled as scum in a game I was in, he was only doing it to appease people in the sense that he was looking like he was doing stuff.

This game, he's actively directing town and trying to tell people who to be suspicious of. He's sitting in the spotlight and he's relishing that prospect. So he's town.

That better?

[Shinobi]

I could back it in quotes and stuff but I've been struck with the cba virus.

Curses.

[Wisdom]

@Mala, it's important for us to have a detailed explanation of your BBT and Shinobi reads, because they're coming up a solid scum read for multiple people. I in particular could use some input because I'm seeing multiple sets of people who could be town who are agreeing with each other or could be scum together.

This, really. They're scum, Mala.

[Wisdom]

We're probably just going to end up lynching somebody boring like Peabody or something.

And I still don't know what the case on him is.

You wish. You're the lynch.

[Wisdom]

He also townslipped IMO in the beginning of D2. I know it's weak, but if he was scum and he was talking to his partners about who we should kill etc he would have remembered that someone was dead.

He's not capable of faking it?

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, I have a question for you whenever you're around:

You said that my post on the fight between triton/me wasn't a normal townie thought process. Why did it change from a townie thing that you commented on when you were catching up? You commented on my #583 and it was pretty much the same reasoning in regards to two different players, but now it's fake. Why?

I explained what I initially found town about you in the 1v1 with uct. It wasn't how you ended up townreading him out of nowhere.

583 is irrelevant. I said I liked how you tried to stop a 1v1 there.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Josh can you explain why you're joining a wagon that one of your scum-reads is pushing.

I realise that you said 'Shinobi is scummier than Wisdom' but this doesn't really excuse you joining a wagon your scum-read is leading.

You also made the point about pushing people who voted NPAU for silly reasons, yet you seem to be ignoring this yourself. Both Shinobi and myself were not even on the NPAU wagon when he got lynched yet we're the two you seem insistent on lynching.

I have pointed out somebody who had 'silly' reasons for voting NPAU and you claim to have already seen this/had this in mind and you doing nothing to chase it up. This doesn't make sense. If you saw it, and wasn't happy with it, why didn't you mention it?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

This, really. They're scum, Mala.

Still scum-vibes, right?

You keep saying I am scum, over and over and over again. If you want to get me lynched, you need to actually come up with a case.

Saying I'm scum isn't going to get the job done.

[Wisdom]

It seems to me that it does

I don't make cases when they aren't needed

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nah, it won't.

Why am I scum?

[Josh_B]

I have pointed out somebody who had 'silly' reasons for voting NPAU and you claim to have already seen this/had this in mind and you doing nothing to chase it up. This doesn't make sense. If you saw it, and wasn't happy with it, why didn't you mention it?

I swear you need to read this game.

Wisdom, I'm scum reading your slot because Metal Sonic said that both GM and NPAU were scum, dispite obvious in game conflicts between the two parties. It doesn't help that he voted, then unvoted GM, yet still wanted to lynch her. And also wasn't on the NPAU lynch even though that was one of his top scum reads.

What do you think about the game so far?

Remember that time when Wisdom replaced in and Josh was like "hey wisdom, welcome to the game, I'm scum reading you." But then it started a wagon on Josh, and then Josh went to L-1 and he claimed intent to hammer himself. And your were all like "yea josh is scum and his little cat too." but then you said that you would sheep Goodmorning and Josh, because Wisdom put a scum read on Shinobi. And you said that Wisdom and josh were bussing. But you forgot about the argument between Wisdom and Me, and tried to get me to scum read Wisdom, but I told you that I was already doing that before it was the cool thing to do, and you made a lot of posts defending shinobi and he made a lot of posts defending you and you both were flailing over people calling you scum even though there were only 2/3 of the number of players that it takes to lynch on both of your wagons combined? Well all of that happened in this game...
So it's my intent to lynch you first, or Shinobi first. I don't think it matters.

Oh it makes me wonder. There was a quick wagon on Josh, but there isn't a quick wagon on either BBT or Shinobi, and neither of them are even at L-1 but they seem like they're freaking out. Shinobi especially. I think he has more than trippled his D1 post count.

I get the feeling you're not reading.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What?

You think I said I

would

might sheep GM/Josh because Wisdom put a scum-read on Shinobi? That doesn't make sense.

It's funny that you think I'm flailing.

Why are you following a scum-read onto a wagon?

[Wisdom]

Because he thinks you two are scum and he thought so on his own, long before I said anything. So he doesn't care in the slightest that I'm also pushing you, because he realizes he might just be wrong about scumreading me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thanks Josh!

[Wisdom]

Anytime!

[beastcharizard]

Vote Count

Josh_B(3): Shinobi, ucitron00, BlueBloodedToffee
Shinobi(2): Wisdom, Josh_B
ucitron00(2): Malakittens, Huntress
BlueBloodedToffee(2): goodmorning, Peabody

Not voting(1):Nero Cain, davesaz
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-10-27 20:00:00)

[Peabody]

I didn't see that supposed town slip mala referenced. However, the way BBT reacted to my vote and began dialogue-ing with me and Josh makes me feel better about my vote on him.

I admit I only looked at one of his scum games, but when someone accused him, he tried to convince the accuser he was town. He was being defensive. That was one my one reservation about voting BBT in the first place. It didn't look like he did it. Now he did. Kinda. So I feel a bit better about it.

The townslip could have been faked. Yes.

[Peabody]

I just looked at what was referenced. It doesn't look like a townslip.

Technically the entire town was involved in a discussion which included NPAU's lynch. If he forgot NPAU was dead as town, he can forget NPAU was dead as scum.

[goodmorning]

this doesn't really excuse you joining a wagon your scum-read is leading.

Side note: I hate this logic.

Still waiting on Nero. Anything?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why you voting me again GM?