Cowboy Bebop Remix [Endgame]

Vi · Post Post #1850 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 5:05 am

Hey Rhinox. When the emotion's over, if anyone wants to never play with you again, you'd be better off without them anyway.
I know you're better than pariah-level.

Have we ever been Town together before? If not, we should roll the dice again and see if it'll happen.~

Cogito Ergo Sum · Post Post #1851 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 5:11 am

I don't blame you at all, for what it's worth.

GreyICE · Post Post #1852 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 5:18 am

Rhinox

, I don't hate you. I agree with a lot of what you're saying. My problem specifically was time and again, I answered you in what I really felt were true, honest, full answers, just to have them pushed aside.

If you don't see the advantage to what I did, consider this - it gave me a strong town read on you, helped me get a town read on Toasty, and condemned Vi to death. That worked fucking well for a bit of wordplay (and I really did think all along I was a hider, sorry).

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p2994140

I'm sorry, I don't know how else to put this. My breadcrumbs on where the hider was going was incredibly incredibly obvious to the point where I was worried that I was giving the gig away.

I voted for LLD myself, so I'd be a damned hypocrite to get too mad at you.

And now that the game is over, and we can start the MD discussion:
I WILL ALWAYS USE A 1-SHOT HIDER AS A COP ABILITY.

No I wasn't going to use it on Vi. Vi was 100% pure scum. That'd be suicide for no purpose whatsoever. I was going to use it on someone who was 80% scum.

Vi... uh... I dunno what to say. You were playing a good analytical game, it's just when I started to parse your analysis it started to fall apart. Really badly. Like I'd read an entire post, and summarize it, and it'd boil down to "X is less townish." and be 5 paragraphs long. I'd really like to play with you as town sometime, but my god were you driving me insane.

Fuck, I know this wasn't my greatest game, and I've lost enough LyLos to not hate you for it. It does chaff a bit, but I know you put a lot into it.

LLD

... I have no idea why I was scum. You wanted Jahudo dead as much as me, and CES was a mess.

CES

I understand the concept that you can be read through your vote. I will say this - when your vote days one and two is on town over scum, time and again, you'll be read as scum.

Fate

God that neighborhood idea stank and I hope you never use it again. Anything that involves the words 'log out of quicktopic' can go screw off and die. Other than that, the moderation was great for the first few days and good up to the end.

Vi · Post Post #1853 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 5:22 am

GreyICE wrote:And now that the game is over, and we can start the MD discussion:
I WILL ALWAYS USE A 1-SHOT HIDER AS A COP ABILITY.

Yes.

I don't mind that you tore me apart. I had a hard time getting into this game and it has been a long time since I've been scum. I did my best with what I had. Driving you insane was a bonus that provided some measure of payback.~

GreyICE · Post Post #1854 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 5:27 am

Vi wrote:
GreyICE wrote:And now that the game is over, and we can start the MD discussion:
I WILL ALWAYS USE A 1-SHOT HIDER AS A COP ABILITY.
Yes.

I don't mind that you tore me apart. I had a hard time getting into this game and it has been a long time since I've been scum. I did my best with what I had. Driving you insane was a bonus that provided some measure of payback.~

Meh... honestly, most everything you said about me in the deadthread was accurate. So... well, choke it up and I'll try to play better next time

Cogito Ergo Sum · Post Post #1855 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 5:32 am

That's not my concept at all, GI. I won't deny my scumhunting was off, but that doesn't justify my lynch. If you're looking to absolve yourself of all my responsibility, I'd suggest blaming it on Kdub's quicklynch.

GreyICE · Post Post #1856 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 5:39 am

Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:That's not my concept at all, GI. I won't deny my scumhunting was off, but that doesn't justify my lynch. If you're looking to absolve yourself of all my responsibility, I'd suggest blaming it on Kdub's quicklynch.

Oh for fucks sake
I'll take responsibility for Jahudo
Or pushing Toasty
But you were scummy and there's no real way around that.

Cogito Ergo Sum · Post Post #1857 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 6:20 am

Nachomamma read me perfectly. There were reasons to think I'm suspicious (e.g. that my suspicions were wrong), but on the whole I do think the lynch could've been avoided. Heck, maybe I could've convinced Toasty to unvote if I had gotten the chance.

ToastyToast · Post Post #1858 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 6:37 am

AlmasterGM wrote:As for all the other 5-6 pages of BLAH BLAH back and forth - it's an embarrassment to what Fate calls a GOOD PLAYERLIST. This isn't the fuckin newbie queue - if you choose to ignore LOGIC, NIGHT ACTIONS, and LLD's repeatedly refuted logic and scummy play in favor of LLD's illustrious wordplay, then LLD deserves a scummy and town deserves to lose. not that im counting this game as a loss, I didn't read 60 pages and perform the most BRILLIANT ROLEBLOCK EVER to to put another tick on the loss record .

....BASTARD

UncertainKitten · Post Post #1859 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 7:15 am

Mostly Oh U at the dead QT. Once I questioned LLD being scum, things started falling into place. Though I still was wrong on GI by the end.

@GI: Wasn't really trying that hard in the dead topic, honestly. Bear in mind I was basing my reads off LLD scum. So, before you criticize, I suggest you get a read for the situation, Mr. Pope that was completely wrong about everything.

@GI: No, CES was a terrible lynch. I could tell he was town from the start and nothing I saw changed that. Jahudo was a terrible lynch for reasons I outlined D1. I forget what it was but he had a swing vote or swing claim that more or less CONFIRMED him as town. You all were just dumbasses about it.

@Rhinox: Anyway, I know you don't talk about me, but I want to reassure you that you aren't policy lynch material in my eyes. No, you aren't the greatest, but you're no vezok

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@GI: To be honest, I thought you were milking the fuck out of me "confirming" you and it felt scummy. I probably should have known better.

@CES/GI: I also read CES pretty well, I think. I don't think I ever actually thought he was scum (though correct me if I'm wrong)

So, yeah, what irritates me most is dying N1. I WASN'T PLAYING GOOD ENOUGH FOR THAT "HONOR"!

Kdub · Post Post #1860 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 7:21 am

Thanks for modding, Fate. I thought it was an interesting setup, and by chance, I had just re-watched Cowboy Bebop a few weeks before this game started (I had seen it once before about 8 years ago). I think it was somewhat scum-favored when the bounty powers were taken into account, but that never became an issue. One thing that I think would have been cool is for scum and/or town to have some way to manipulate who the bounty was on. I'm not sure how you would have done that without having to re-balance the bounty powers, but it would have been an interesting wrinkle.

Keeping Grey alive was by design because we thought he would push mislynches, but in retrospect, I probably would have killed him on N3. I think he changed his mind often enough that it kinda became unpredictable whether he would be on the right track or not, so we were fortunate that leaving him alive that long didn't come back to bite us.

Yeah, I started lurking the last couple days when I needed to fence-sit and wait to see whether AGM's roleblock gambit was going to work or not. The rest of the game, I think I was playing normally. I have a tendency to post at a frequency inversely proportional to the activity level of the game as a whole, regardless of alignment, and this was definitely a high-volume game for its size.

The Jahudo lynch was a really good break for the scum because it was entirely town-pushed and made me and AGM look good for not being on it. I think I would have gone for the Seraphim and CES lynches as town just because their claims were sketchy.

AGM/Vi, any objections to sharing our QT?

Vi · Post Post #1861 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 7:33 am

UncertainKitten wrote:Mr. Pope

I still like the idea of swapping "Bandwagoning Ho" out for "Our Lady of Lambda Delta".

See, this is why you don't kill me. I'm entertaining.

Also

Users browsing this forum: mikeburnfire,
UshiromiyaAnge

It's VERY Japan in here.

Re: QT - I'm fine with it. It should be amusing and/or frightening.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1862 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 8:27 am

Rhinox doesn't deserve a blacklisting.

He does need to realize why his move was dumb as shit though.

Once GI didn't hammer, that made him confirmed town.

You had already concluded that only one of me/AGM was scum.

You knew you were town.

You knew there were 2 scum.

By extension, this means Kdub is and was confirmed scum to you by the GI non-hammer

Hence, you should have unvoted immediately after this.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1863 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 8:34 am

Also, I can't understand why people didn't take one look at AGM's screaming death steamrolling strategy, and call it scum right away >.<

UncertainKitten · Post Post #1864 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 8:40 am

Witches did it, LLD

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Rhinox · Post Post #1865 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 8:50 am

Relevant

I'm feeling a bit better now. I'll comment on some game things in a bit.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1866 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 8:51 am

LLD, you think I didn't consider immediately unvoting after GI didn't hammer? But I made a snap decision, that there was no way I was going to believe anything you came up with to argue for a AGM+anyone else lynch after ranting for 2 days about how sure you were that the scum were AGM and GI. The outcome wouldn't have been any different. If you wouldn't have been pushing so hard for the AGM/GI pairing, then maybe I wouldn't have come into the last day with my mind set that the scum team was either AGM/GI or LLD/Kdub. If finally confirmed-town-to-me GI wouldn't have been so sure about AGM/reck town for 3-4 days, maybe I wouldn't have put as much weight on his opinion and be able to see that GI-town doesn't rule out AGM-scum. Point is, I made a decision, it was wrong and I feel bad, but I don't regret making the choice. But I didn't make the choice in a vacuum, as much as I failed to make the right choice, you LLD failed to convince me I was making the wrong choice.

Don't even try and turn this back on me Rhinox.

I have just shown why Kdub should have been CONFIRMED SCUM to you.

So you saying that "there was no way I was gonna not lynch you" speaks to your general ineptitude. You should have been able to make the connection about Kdub scum immediately. That's not my fault, it's yours.

FURTHERMORE, while it is my job to show you why I am town, it isn't my fault that you MISREAD THE FUCKING SITUATION.

I'm not to blame for you inadequacy. Sorry.

GreyICE · Post Post #1867 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 8:52 am

Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Also, I can't understand why people didn't take one look at AGM's screaming death steamrolling strategy, and call it scum right away >.<

...

Uh...

That was pretty much your strategy for most of the last two days

Rhinox · Post Post #1868 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 8:52 am

LLD wrote:You had already concluded that only one of me/AGM was scum.

You knew you were town.

You knew there were 2 scum.

By extension, this means Kdub is and was confirmed scum to you by the GI non-hammer

Hence, you should have unvoted immediately after this.

:feels really dumb now:

yeah I completely missed that

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1869 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 8:53 am

Fuck. You would post a link like that and make me feel bad for chewing you out, wouldn't you? Dx

Look, you're not a bad player. I'm just frustrated with this game, and some of the derp mistakes that were made by EVERYONE involved.

/sigh

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1870 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 8:54 am

Rhinox wrote:
LLD wrote:You had already concluded that only one of me/AGM was scum.

You knew you were town.

You knew there were 2 scum.

By extension, this means Kdub is and was confirmed scum to you by the GI non-hammer

Hence, you should have unvoted immediately after this.

:feels really dumb now:

yeah I completely missed that

Don't worry about it. Mafia's about learning from mistakes and moving on.

You'll get better as you go. That's just how the game works. Next time you're in a situation like this, you'll remember and make the right move/call. ^-^

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1871 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 8:55 am

GreyICE wrote:
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Also, I can't understand why people didn't take one look at AGM's screaming death steamrolling strategy, and call it scum right away >.<

...

Uh...

That was pretty much your strategy for most of the last two days

I provided reasons...

I didn't start yelling until AGM came out. >.<

And even then I stopped yelling, and tried to placate his steamrolling.

GreyICE · Post Post #1872 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 9:02 am

Okay, this is a bit of OMGUS

But why was I scuuuuummmmmmm

I asked and asked and asked and just never ever knew

Katsuki · Post Post #1873 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 9:04 am

I'm glad I ended up flaking out of this game.

= =b

Rhinox · Post Post #1874 (ISO) » Tue May 03, 2011 9:11 am

Shit yeah I really should have caught that LLD. Thats a huge my bad. Only way kdub wasn't scum after GI didn't claim was if I thought you could be scum with AGM or GI, 2 options I had already ruled out. Wow I'm slumping worse than I thought. Thats something I shouldn't ever have missed.

Endgame woulda been really interesting. LLD vs AGM 50/50 vs Rhinox vs Kdub 50/50 with GI needing to make the right choice on 2 50/50's as confirmed town 2 lylo's in a row. woulda been epic