Mini 1686: Give Me A Clue! Mafia (Game Over)

[DrDolittle]

at this point i don't know whos scum .

Can you give me something more than this to work with? I'm pretty sure you must have reads on me and farside by now (you said we were the scum team before the Ric wagon happened) so what are you thinking?

are you reading?

[DrDolittle]

ill probably reread and stuff too but that comes later tomorrow.

[Azral]

Okay, you didn't answer my question at all?

I'm doing some reading this morning. I feel like I know both of your ISOs pretty well, though, and I'm just trying to decide.

[farside22]

My brain is checked out currently.
I should have my thought on this complete by tomorrow

[DrDolittle]

i had a town read on ric.
mala is likely town on setup
i myself am not scum.

what should i be thinking az?

[farside22]

I've decided to get to this tonight

I'm not getting a lot with the chatter from either person.
I go over and over many thoughts on both players and what sways me the most is two big things.
1) how little azrel said during ric/me day 3. He called us both scum but never voted and for some unexplained reason had a scum read that he never explained
2) he has pushed pretty weakly during lylo today. He links my most recent game with no reason and then questions dr.d he looks to be trying hard to stir the pot in my view.

Vote: azral

Let's see if I evaluated this correctly.

[DrDolittle]

god az's posts are so fucking clean that im getting paranoid. its disturbing how few interaction interaction with ric or alch he has and that's really unsettingly

[DrDolittle]

not hammering

[DrDolittle]

fucking shit

[farside22]

You aren't trolling me?

[Azral]

wow
And I was actually starting to think I should vote Dolittle. Thank you farside.

[Azral]

1) how little azrel said during ric/me day 3. He called us both scum but never voted and for some unexplained reason had a scum read that he never explained

This flat out never happened. It's entirely false.

2) he has pushed pretty weakly during lylo today.

No, you've pushed pretty weakly during lylo today. Until you suddenly decided that, in contradiction to all of your other stated reads to date, and everything you said yesterday, to decide it would be a great idea to vote me.

You really should have just waited another day cause between you and PC telling me it was Dolittle I was actually starting to doubt myself.

He links my most recent game with no reason

Like, what? I figured a scum game from you that was ongoing at the same time as this one would be worth mentioning. It proves, at least, that you are entirely capable of faking frustration and pretending to tunnel, entirely capable of lots of activity as scum, etc. Arguably your reads are similarly opportunistic here, given your sudden switch on me (and on Persival before).

and then questions dr.d he looks to be trying hard to stir the pot in my view.

Was I supposed to not get worried about DrD lurking through today? You were actually doing a decent impression of paranoia for a minute there, before you decided to quickvote your townread.

[Azral]

god az's posts are so fucking clean that im getting paranoid. its disturbing how few interaction interaction with ric or alch he has and that's really unsettingly

Talk to me then. I'm town. I had quite a few interactions with Alch. Ric, I guess you're right. He was low on my suspect list, mostly cause I was stuck on zakk/persival and he didn't make sense on a team with them.

[Azral]

he has pushed pretty weakly during lylo today. He links my most recent game with no reason and then questions dr.d he looks to be trying hard to stir the pot in my view.

This is the really the stupidest part.

How terrible of me to actually stop and consider what you & Piratecat were telling me, and ask Dr Dolittle to talk to me and help me decide. Total pot stir.

[Azral]

VOTE: farside22

[Azral]

Sorry I missed a part of your post.
I'm weighing both you and dolittle because I don't want to vote wrong.
I look at both players because a wrong vote will mean scum wins.
That is just me thinking aloud.

^ This is another point.

If she were actually town and this caution were something she genuinely felt, she would have posted her thoughts about me and given me a chance to respond before voting, right?

"I don't want to vote wrong... a wrong vote will mean scum wins."

[farside22]

Okay… was kind of hoping to see what DrDolittle did first but this thread is dead. So here are my thoughts.

Piratecat is town. It just makes sense and I'm not going to get paranoid about this in LyLo. And tbh if she were scum I think she'd probably have left Aero alive to support her claim.

That leaves Ricastle and either farside (bussing) or DrDolittle (defended Ricastle throughout game, still kind of defending him)

I went through D1 again this morning and maybe against my better judgment I still lean toward a Ricastle/farside team, with DrD's weird posts just being town paranoia.

The far/Alch debacle early d1 is more believable as an awkward attempt by Alch to distance from her. Alch's case on DrD was terrible and looks more like scum making stuff up.

This was you point with no reason day 3.
The only thing I was wrong about was you did eventually vote ric as a hammer.

This post was made with no explanation

I'm open to voting farside.

I keep going back to Dolittle's interactions with Alch and thinking they look town.

Pushing ric as town here:

I'm open to voting farside.

I keep going back to Dolittle's interactions with Alch and thinking they look town.

That took an embarassingly long time to happen.

+ town points for Ricastle for being on zakk so hard
- town points for farside for the back-and-forth on the zakk

I'm open to voting farside.

I keep going back to Dolittle's interactions with Alch and thinking they look town.

That took an embarassingly long time to happen.

+ town points for Ricastle for being on zakk so hard
- town points for farside for the back-and-forth on the slot

Ricastle is scum, it is known.
But I'm wondering what you're arguing. What was the tell?

if you think he is scum and that it is known, why are you not hammering him?

I'm not ready to yet. I try to solve games in LyLo.

was kind of hoping to see what DrDolittle did first but this thread is dead. So here are my thoughts.

Piratecat is town. It just makes sense and I'm not going to get paranoid about this in LyLo. And tbh if she were scum I think she'd probably have left Aero alive to support her claim.

That leaves Ricastle and either farside (bussing) or DrDolittle (defended Ricastle throughout game, still kind of defending him)

I went through D1 again this morning and maybe against my better judgment I still lean toward a Ricastle/farside team, with DrD's weird posts just being town paranoia.

The far/Alch debacle early d1 is more believable as an awkward attempt by Alch to distance from her. Alch's case on DrD was terrible and looks more like scum making stuff up.

Says he is trying to solve the game but looks to dr.d to say more.


Let's talk about the link that azrel provided.
All he did was this:

So this farside scum game just ended.

This is not meta research it says nothing other then he decided to show a scum game but doesn't reference a town game. Basically just to show a negative for no reason provided.

Fixed.

[farside22]

Sorry for the mess I'm phone posting and graving quotes and it went pretty ugly there.
Let me know if I need to redo that dr.d.

[farside22]

Also that post I made is an example of why I grab quotes and put thoughts before the quotes.
Just a double yuck.


Also I'm just making a case and getting why azrel is scum.
Azrel pretty much didn't do that.

[Azral]

That's quite a case you've got there.

This was you point with no reason day 3.
The only thing I was wrong about was you did eventually vote ric as a hammer.

False. That post lays out my reasoning for thinking it was you and Ricastle.

This post was made with no explanation

False. Your reaction to Dolittle's 'cop' post moved you into my suspect pile, and I explained this.

Pushing ric as town here:

I'm open to voting farside.

I keep going back to Dolittle's interactions with Alch and thinking they look town.

That post literally doesn't mention Ricastle at all.

That took an embarassingly long time to happen.

+ town points for Ricastle for being on zakk so hard
- town points for farside for the back-and-forth on the zakk

The post where I believed Persival's scum claim and started moving forward with finding his partners.
The one where I had zero idea Persival was going to flip town.

You're trying to use that post against me?

If Persival had flipped scum, it would definitely have made Ric look good. But he didn't.

Says he is trying to solve the game but looks to dr.d to say more.

Yes. Correct. That's how games are solved, by talking to people.

I'm pretty sure you said that yourself, like yesterday.

This is not meta research it says nothing other then he decided to show a scum game but doesn't reference a town game. Basically just to show a negative for no reason provided.

That really bothered you.

I talk about it above. And I would have done an analysis anyway if you hadn't suddenly voted me barely a day later.

Anything else?

[Azral]

Dolittle: farside's Alch interactions are really bad, from the early distancing to the way she jumped off onto zakk despite saying she thought alch was scum.

I'll write up a full case in the morning (there's a lot to work with) but for now just look at these last few posts and tell me with a straight face she's not scum.

[farside22]

That's quite a case you've got there.

This was you point with no reason day 3.
The only thing I was wrong about was you did eventually vote ric as a hammer.

False. That post lays out my reasoning for thinking it was you and Ricastle.

This post was made with no explanation

False. Your reaction to Dolittle's 'cop' post moved you into my suspect pile, and I explained this.

Pushing ric as town here:

I'm open to voting farside.

I keep going back to Dolittle's interactions with Alch and thinking they look town.

That post literally doesn't mention Ricastle at all.

That took an embarassingly long time to happen.

+ town points for Ricastle for being on zakk so hard
- town points for farside for the back-and-forth on the zakk

The post where I believed Persival's scum claim and started moving forward with finding his partners.
The one where I had zero idea Persival was going to flip town.

You're trying to use that post against me?

If Persival had flipped scum, it would definitely have made Ric look good. But he didn't.

Says he is trying to solve the game but looks to dr.d to say more.

Yes. Correct. That's how games are solved, by talking to people.

I'm pretty sure you said that yourself, like yesterday.

This is not meta research it says nothing other then he decided to show a scum game but doesn't reference a town game. Basically just to show a negative for no reason provided.

That really bothered you.

I talk about it above. And I would have done an analysis anyway if you hadn't suddenly voted me barely a day later.

Anything else?

1) that isn't an explanation of why I'm scum, the post is just about not seeing dolittle scum. It's vague. There is no quotes or explanation why my interaction with alch is scum with his interaction with me vs dolittle's interaction with alchr
2) what cop post from dolittle are you even talking about?
3) why is being hard on scum townie? While weighing options on a player scummy?
4) I think you were hoping dolittle would vote me for a scum win that was why your either or comment in regards to me and ric look scmy as fuck
5) what's your case against me?

[farside22]

Dolittle: farside's Alch interactions are really bad, from the early distancing to the way she jumped off onto zakk despite saying she thought alch was scum.

I'll write up a full case in the morning (there's a lot to work with) but for now just look at these last few posts and tell me with a straight face she's not scum.

Yeah I explained my switch was.
Did you forget or just felt like mud slinging?

[DrDolittle]

so im reading 10 pages by 10 pages...

1- 10:
Az (Dino):
- Weird Entrance. Over justification thing
- Says alch is town - but may be due to eloquence?
- 179 nothing interesting at all
+ small argument with alch over game type

Farside:
+ very heated argument with alch regarding trivialities & other early shenanagans
+ alch attacks far early and defends dino (when he was not in danger of being lynched)
- Ric's Triumvriate "math - alch - ygs". I don't know if he's that ballsy to throw both of his scummates under the bus so early. Calls farside super town - kinda balances with alch super scum? Idk

[farside22]

The biggest thing is how little interaction there was between ric-alch-azral
That in the end is what caught my attention the most. Just comments were made but no questions or pushes were ever made against one another until the scum's back was against the wall