Mafia 158: Titanium. Game over

[TheLocomotion]

Hi. I'm marking my posts (Hiraki)

I and greygnarl, obviously, have conflicting reads over buldermar and numberscum.

We'll be discussing this.

[mykonian]

votecount

thelocomotion (2): smashbard, buldermar

not voting (4): 10506670, pappums rat, NJAC, thelocomotion

With 6 players it is 4 to lynch (3 to no lynch)

deadline is on the 22 of november.

[buldermar]

@Mod

Dividizzle, vanilla townie, was shot night 5.

votecount

thelocomotion (1): smashbard

not voting (5):

dividizzle

, 10506670, pappums rat, buldermar, NJAC, thelocomotion

With 6 players it is 4 to lynch (3 to no lynch)

deadline is on the 22 of november.

votecount

thelocomotion (2): smashbard, buldermar

not voting (4):

dividizzle

, 10506670, pappums rat, NJAC, thelocomotion

With 6 players it is 4 to lynch (3 to no lynch)

deadline is on the 22 of november.

[mykonian]

ghosts

[buldermar]

It's all okay. But seriously, next person not voting TBM who posts is scum. Like seriously.

Then TBM is lynched when NJAC votes:

Ok, time to decide...

After rereading some ISO's and considering what we've got until now I think this guy is obvscum.

If I'm wrong, well... gg scums, but I'm pretty sure this time we're right:

VOTE: TBM

Note that both of these posts suggest a high level of confidence in him being scum whereas I was never confident that day.

Then the very next post from TheLocomotion:

So it looks like bulder is scum guys.
VOTE: bulder

And NJAC:

Ok, I think I need to reread a bit but at first glance I'm saying definitely Buldermar and one between numbers and Hiraki/greygnarl/TheLocomotion, with numbers leaning more scum than TLM.

On another note: ideas about the setup? it's just two scums vs town compound by vanillas and two blockers? Is that even balanced?

Isn't it quite perculiar that they both were on the TBM wagon, they both were so certain of TBM being scum, and they are now both so certain about ME being scum. In the meantime, they don't find each other even remotedly suspicious. I'm completely fine with lynching TheLocomotion and I'm strongly reconsidering my initial read of NJAC.

[10506670]

Smash, my reads are not based on them not replacing out. Hiraki has piqued my attention for a while, and Buldermar is a new read because I had previously thought TBM was scum.

Buldermar, there are two scum left. A blocking role shouldn't affect whether scum wins or not, because the fact is if there were 3 we would not be capable of lynching anyone = scum win.

[TheLocomotion]

I'm actually liking Numbers, he sounds like a townie jsut trying to come clean.

[NJAC]

And NJAC:

Ok, I think I need to reread a bit but at first glance I'm saying definitely Buldermar and one between numbers and

Hiraki/greygnarl/TheLocomotion

, with numbers leaning more scum than TLM.

On another note: ideas about the setup? it's just two scums vs town compound by vanillas and two blockers? Is that even balanced?

Isn't it quite perculiar that they both were on the TBM wagon, they both were so certain of TBM being scum, and they are now both so certain about ME being scum. In the meantime,

they don't find each other even remotedly suspicious

. I'm completely fine with lynching TheLocomotion and I'm strongly reconsidering my initial read of NJAC.

I think the very same post you're quoting explicitly says I also suspect TheLocomotion, and I didn't even vote you because I'm not as sure about my reads now as I was about TBM and maybe Maenara. So it's false that I don't find TLM "remotedly" suspicious, and wrt my reads I think that's the reason to why I'm still alive, just like buldermar, because I've been wrong and you can use that to your favor like you're doing it right now.

[NJAC]

EBWOP: ...I think that's the reason to why I'm still alive, just like SMASHBARD, because I've been wrong...

[pappums rat]

I cant make sense out of this game, no matter how many ISOs I go through. I dont really see TBM's "case" on Hiraki, but I will sheep him from the grave I guess, and Smashbard made a good point about him buddying me right when greygnarl came into the game.

Vote: TheLocomotion

Honestly I thought this game would be over at this point. I cant see how only 2 scum would get put into a large game... or two town roleblockers for that matter.

[NJAC]

I'm actually liking Numbers, he sounds like a townie jsut trying to come clean.

Who are you? Hiraki or greygnarl? Are you agree now about your reads? what do you have to say about TBM's case on you regarding to you not reading the game and just wanting to lynch? What's your read on me? What's your read on rat?

[NJAC]

Ok right, that's L-1 and Hiraki never claimed IIRC, so I'm demanding you to claim, what means I'll consider hammer if you don't give me a good reason.

Also, and just to take our time to discuss, YOU SHOULD UNVOTE RAT because I think numbers could hammer and we'll lose.

[NJAC]

rat? r u there? Fine, some of you, smash, rat or even bulder at this point, should unvote until we discuss this better. I'm not saying TLM is town, but I have my doubts and you should have them too. So.... UNVOTE BEFORE NUMBERS HAMMERS, because with two scums we're in mylo, if we're wrong there's no more chance to win, right?

[NJAC]

Oh my... well I'm off now, I hope you see this before numbers and unvote, I mean we're somehow agreeing about him being scum and we're letting him hammer , gg town...

[10506670]

I'm not hammering.

[10506670]

Though to be quite honest I would like to see TLM dead.

[Smashbard]

Unvote

I still have things to say.

[Smashbard]

Buldermar can't be scum at this point. He has played a solid game from start to finish always using the best of logic that he has had available at his disposal. To suddenly go "Derp, there could still be 3 scum" when it's been explained pretty clearly why there can't be 3 scum at this point shows me that he doesn't understand scums win condition in this game.

The fact that he continues to push it and the fact that 3 town to 3 scum means Scum wins hasn't sunk in yet, shows me he is just mistaken town at this point.

Buldermar, confirmed town.

[Smashbard]

I don't believe NJAC or Numbers actions have cleared one another at this point. I trust NJAC more than Numbers, but either one of their tactics could just be protecting their partner. NJAC's plea for an unvote seems genuine, but could just be trying to save his partner. Numbers refusal to hammer could very well just be hesitation knowing Locomotions alignment and not wanting to lose his scumbuddy.

I'm taking the stress off of your guys' shoulders. I will be the hammer whenever we're ready. So whichever one of you are hesitant to vote Locomotion just due to not wanting to be the hammer, go for it. I'll hammer once everyone has had their say and Locomotion claims.

[Smashbard]

But I reiterate NJAC's position. If Locomotion has any hope of saving himself but refuses to claim, consider yourself as good as lynched.

[TheLocomotion]

Read on NJAC is prob town. Read on rat is almost certain town.
Claim: 1-shot dayvig.

[TheLocomotion]

Like I said, I'm marking my posts. This is Hiraki.

My reads are the same. Gnarl and I disagree on Numbers and Buldermar (though I can't imagine how he's NOT town at this point)

I obviously haven't used my shot yet in attempt to wait until the great opportune to use it. Due to all the mislynches, I was very cautious to use it. Now? Not so much~

Gnarl isn't really talking to me so that's why this seems like a shitty hydra.

P.S. the above is not me but I agree with it.

[NJAC]

Though I admit I somehow saw you like a PR throughout the game, especially the first days, I think it would be pretty unbalanced to have a town compound by 11 vanillas, 2 blockers and 1 1-shot dayvig vs two simple scum

How does your power exactly work? maybe you could paraphrase your role.

On another note: It's clear at this point that if TLM is town then numbers can't be scum, right? However if he's scum it doesn't inmediately means numbers is scum because that would also apply to me , but it would be very likely, though the scumpartner bussing also becomes a possibility.

On a related note: If TLM is not lying, is it possible for the setup to have a third party role or another mafia team with no factional kill? I also imagine a third party with limited capabilities or something, because there has been only one kill per night, or it could be an incredible coincidence that the mafia team and this other role have chosen the same target for the NK for more than one day

[NJAC]

Actually it would be 9 vanillas, 2 masons, 2 blockers and 1 1-shot dayvig vs two simple scum... I definitely don't believe your claim.

[pappums rat]

Buldermar can't be scum at this point. He has played a solid game from start to finish always using the best of logic that he has had available at his disposal. To suddenly go "Derp, there could still be 3 scum" when it's been explained pretty clearly why there can't be 3 scum at this point shows me that he doesn't understand scums win condition in this game.

The fact that he continues to push it and the fact that 3 town to 3 scum means Scum wins hasn't sunk in yet, shows me he is just mistaken town at this point.

Buldermar, confirmed town.

It's not outside the realm of possiblity that he could be pretending to not understand this to gain a townread, so calling him confirmed town for it is a bad idea.

@NJAC: how do you know the scum dont have power roles?

@TheLocomotion: do the kill publicly in the thread. The town needs to take a vote on who should be killed. At this point I am leaning either buldermar or numbers.