TM 2023 | Mini Normal | Mafia PT

[mastina]

I think xofelf has a role where they know the role that visited a particular person in the night, but from their posting in our neighbourhood I am pretty confident they trust me.
Ausuka has expressed some mild suspicion of xofelf in the hood and not suspicion of me (yet) but I don't know exactly where her head is at

So, Loud Voyeur?

[mastina]

Well this is weird.

I was targeted by xofelf last night.

There’s nothing about being targeted by a Doctor or by Shirou.

[mastina]

Well this sure looks winnable, even if one of us dies.

DGB can’t jk to victory, Shirou can’t protect against killing Shirou, the Voyeur can only see types of actions not who is performing them so xofelf can’t catch scum, and we killed the tracker already.

Plus as an aside, high chance of the town eating itself up with a JK+Doctor claim.

[mastina]

Oh nevermind, xofelf needs to die because post-massclaim, a role watcher IS a watcher, able to accurately identify which players go where.

[mastina]

BTW we probably just outright lose if you die today.
xofelf will be on Shirou.
I can’t kill xofelf because Shirou will be on them.

I MIGHT be able to justify targeting elsewhere, but if I am meant to be hardbound to a target and xofelf is on said target, either they see my full role including the multitask or they see a lack of visit where a visit should've been.

We have more flexibility if tomorrow is Mylo. We can claim it is a ploy for the win.

But we need scum to live today.

Ideally, one of Shirou/xofelf to die to break the watcher-doc loop, but any nonscum Elim will do.

[DeasVail]

tbh I think I'll just go for a Shirou elim

[mastina]

I just wanted to say that while we're probably still losing this game anyway I'm really proud of this scumgame and not looking forward to the 2+ years of solid continuous eliminations on me in future games based off of this game.

I'm just gonna not even try in those future scumgames since I know I'll be limmed due to this game, and sigh in the towngames being inevitable mislims.

(Listmods please do not take this too literally.)

[DeasVail]

I think chances of us getting through this are pretty slim but I agree you’ve played this amazingly. Love the flooding of the thread

[DeasVail]

idk how we're both still alive

[DeasVail]

I’m going to have a think today about if there’s any way of us getting through the night okay with our actions

[DeasVail]

Oh, you’re multi-tasking, phew.

[mastina]

I think chances of us getting through this are pretty slim but I agree you’ve played this amazingly. Love the flooding of the thread

Thanks for the compliment.
I hate the flooding of the thread, it's an abhorrent strategy that shouldn't be tolerated in games, it is absurdly pro-scum despite how commonly town does it, so not tolerating it should be the norm imo. But *shrug*, I did it, and it gave us a small shot.

I'm gonna first state this;
Our best window to winning the game relies on the town fucking up (mostly DGB).
If they don't, we're kinda fucked.

I will lay out every strategy after I take a nap (too exhausted from today rn to handle it this second), but my current thoughts:

mastina kills xofelf;
mastina rolecops DrippingGoofBall

xofelf

should

be on Shirou--and even if they aren't, then DGB might be. So, can't kill there.

No-killing here is always the wrong decision; a kill on xofelf is

at worst

equal to a no-kill (xofelf protected), but at best actually lands us a xofelf death. Deliberately no-killing rather than incidentally no-killing is a misplay.

That leaves the options as Ausuka and xofelf (technically DGB but we never kill DGB this game--DGB's role isn't a threat to us and DGB's play isn't a threat to us).

For my rolecop, I can target anyone, but who I target determines our best odds.

I'll lay out the math behind each path.

Our chance to win mostly relies on convincing Ausuka to not vote you.

[PenguinPower]

mastina kills xofelf;
mastina rolecops DrippingGoofBall

Received.

[DeasVail]

should I just "realise" that the xof kill + you not targeting shirou incriminates you and vote you tomorrow?

I guess the problem is that, for Ausuka, the only real alternative to me as scum was Freedom, and now Freedom has flipped town, so in Ausuka's mind I am even more likely to be scum now.

[mastina]

Shit I ran out of time due to exhaustion.

I needed to lay out all the scenarios.

I can lay out the scenarios where I am voted instantly right now though;

xofelf dies, I get limmed:

Best-case scenario; kill Shirou. Leaves you in a 3p lylo, and you need to hope Ausuka doesn't sheep Shirou.

xofelf lives, I get limmed:

Kill Shirou, then deal with xofelf-DGB-Ausuka in 4p mylo.

Neither is great, but your odds are better there than the alternatives, can lay out those if I live long enough.

[mastina]

Wow I thought the town fuckup would be DGB jailkeeping Shirou last night instead of DV.

This is better.

Right now, we

might

stand a chance.

If I go down, then kill Shirou; try to fight the 3p lylo with Ausuka and DGB. Your odds are probably best by pointing out DGB's defense of me, and that DGB+me trying to say Shirou town was to set Shirou up for a DV vote instead of a mastina vote, with DGB not hammering you yesterday because Freedom+Shirou were less mislimmable, or something like that.

If you go down, then kill Shirou; I am left in a 3p lylo where I need to 1v1 DGB because DGB allegedly targeted DV on a night there was a kill and Ausuka delivered fruit. Here I probably lose, but I stand a chance if Ausuka is receptive.

[DeasVail]

sounds like a plan!

we've got this maybe!!!

[mastina]

(We really don't, but I gotta try)

[mastina]

I do hope I'm not crossing any boundaries with my push on Shirou.

I'm kinda banking on Shirou being Shirou here--in that the attacks I'm making would be too extreme against most players but that it's not crossing a boundary because Shirou himself doesn't think it is. (Uh, dunno how to word that, basically, tailoring my tone to my audience? That's what I mean. Many players couldn't take it; Shirou can; Shirou actually is well-suited for it; for Shirou, it's a good approach, despite how for most it would be too far.)

I do hope it's seen as just in the game.

[mastina]

I do hope I'm not crossing any boundaries with my push on Shirou.

I'm kinda banking on Shirou being Shirou here--in that the attacks I'm making would be too extreme against most players but that it's not crossing a boundary because Shirou himself doesn't think it is. (Uh, dunno how to word that, basically, tailoring my tone to my audience? That's what I mean. Many players couldn't take it; Shirou can; Shirou actually is well-suited for it; for Shirou, it's a good approach, despite how for most it would be too far.)

I do hope it's seen as just in the game.

Looks like I was both right and wrong.

I was right, Shirou himself doesn’t have an issue with it, so my assumption that he would be okay with it was true.

I was wrong, in that I think Shirou being okay with it still doesn’t make it okay; I did cross a line, which shouldn’t have been crossed. Shirou being personally okay with it doesn’t mean that it was okay.

Anyway, can’t say that I didn’t try, I literally destroyed my town meta by doing something that I've never done as scum before, so in all future games I'm going to have to deal with the accusation of being scum, but I can live with that.

I don’t regret trying, although I do regret that I was too good at mimicking the very worst part of my towngame. That toxicity literally got me banned in prior towngames. Showing that I can do it as scum is impressive, but it honestly shouldn't be something that I do as either alignment.

Basically,

[mastina]

Hit submit on accident, but basically, I feel proud that I actually can do that level of impression of my town game, but ashamed about it being something that I do in any game.

Anyway, when I go down, obviously kill Shirou. Play it by ear when it comes to DGB vs. Ausuka.
My guess is you have better odds of convincing DGB on Ausuka being scum, although tbh we're kinda fucked regardless.

Glad that I got to show off that I COULD do this as scum, but I wanna reiterate that I need to stop playing mafia for both my own mental health and the wellbeing of others. (For instance, if I get a game ban, then I am indirectly badly hurting someone else, because they would be impacted by my ban because site staff doesn’t separate plurality properly for an issue like this. Despite the fact they would never cross any of the lines that I do, they would be collateral damage. I honestly don’t care about if I get banned, because I know that I deserve it and it would arguably be a blessing. But I do care about THEM, so my main reason for not wanting to get banned is so that they don’t suffer due to my irresponsibility.)

[DeasVail]

Take care <3

[DeasVail]

DeasVail kills Shirou

[PenguinPower]

Received.