Its time for the.... SpyreX MEGAPOST (TM PENDING)
I've reread this damn thread a couple times really triyng to get a better feel for whats going on. Of course at this point the focus really is the K7/Forbid tryst. I did find a few other things that read odd in place. So, of course, I'll start with them:
Joubert:
3 whole posts (I know RL does take precedence, but).
Now, this alone wouldn't get me, but in the substantial post he makes claims of suspicion on...
Gimbo
Laptop
Me (including accusing me of spaghetti attacks AND collusion with Laptop at this point in the game??)
Firestarter
K7
Forbid
On top of that, some of the replies sit oddly:
I beg to differ. A Townie can certainly be killed (call it a "sacrifice") in order to uncover Scum. It becomes a beneficial "investment", if you excuse the methaphor...
(In reference to Forbid's selfvote).
You are correct in theory, but the sacrifice implies furthering the towns knowledge AND normally isn't done with a "woe is me" sytle selfvote. This "investment" may pay off for the town, OR if both k7 and forbid are town it sure pays off for the scum in spades.
I'd say he looks crazy more than anyone else doing that, because everyone's MEANT to be a little weird in the preliminary stages. Shortly after, SpyreX answers all the points, although they weren't meant to be answered. Strange... Possible connection between those two?
Aside from me looking "crazy" for not abandoning looking at whats going on in the jokepahse, who's to say they werent supposed to be answered? I felt they deserved a response, so they got it.
Is OMGUS supposed to be considered a scum-tell?
Like any "scum-tell" - sometimes. Its contextual. There's very, very few absolutes in mafia. When the vote is a swing OMGUS that isn't even committal enough to actually vote, yes, it raises my suspicion. I'm not saying OMGUS is always a scumtell but I sure am not implying it never is like your question does.
Feelings:
So, yea, I am on the fence. The attempts to link me to laptop + the idea of using forbid as a "sacrifice" for knowledge when all it would do is implicate K7 weekly if she is town (which I am not sure of) is highly questionable. IF he is scum, I would definitely look at that list in detail.
Manito:
I think manito is town as this point, BUT (bolded added for emphasis):
I'm with Spyrex on this one
, FoS: Killa
I'm with Armlx on this one
, and to quote the old addage - LAL.
That's exactly what I'm saying,
and exactly what he said
I couldn't agree more with this post.
They are both fishy as hell...
Feelings:
So, PLEASE, post more and although it makes sense to reference what others are saying when you agree (sup Gimbo) give some more personal insights into whats going on. I even AGREE with you but it stood out to me as odd.
Now, onto the crux of todays battle royale:
Killa Seven vs Forbiddanlight.
First up, Killa... SEVEN (all in one megaquote because)
vote forbiddanlight
please dont vote yourself and hunt scum thanks.
town should never vote for himself or herself, ask to be replaced.
im also callin her bluff at the sametime seeing if she really wants to be in this game, thanks for ruining my plan guys.
lol i figured youd cop out and say, "i was baiting scum" ive seen this done before, your not fooling me. dont play the poor me im under pressure, vote = myself i dont want to play anymore then try to turn me into scum for voting a quiter who cant handle pressure.
from what your saying, first your saying i was having a bad day so i voted my self, then your saying you had a plan all along. to me it seems like you really wanted to quit and voted yourself and then later retracted and pretended it was all a master plan.
Feelings:
Now, to me, agree with it or not, this looks like an overzealous town pushing on what he feels is scummy. I am not convinced, of course, but at this point I think K7 is town.
On the otherside, we have...
Forbiddanlight
Ok, so forbid's "trap" was playing the newbie selfvote angle. Trying to catch scum jumping on her wagon because she is a new player who doesn't want to play. Believable, at first glance. But, here come some quotes before the plan (partial, since I'm gonna have a lot of forbid quotes here)!
Um...I know these games are a lot slower
than I'm used to
but there has to be some reason here :S.
In the other forums I play in
, a lot of random voting starts with calling out known inactives.
Works for me.
Different playstyles here than I'm used to.
Then, the selfvote. Well, at this point I'm definitely not buying the new player angle on it at all. Of course, part of this "newbie" is just implied by me and not explicit. That alone doesn't really tip the scales.
Then, we have some very odd comments made after the selfvote, emphasis again per me.
Her, by the way. And I stand by my vote.
I'm currently the scummiest looking person out there.
Hence that dictates my vote.
Seriously, there are easier ways
to attract over agressive townies
that don't involve as much chance of my death. I gambled, and have yet to see if I won.
I mean, the only thing you have is my word, and in this game you don't trust anyone's words
(except your scumbuddies if you have them)
. So, it's immaterial whether you doubt if I had an actual plan or not. I know that that was my plan, and I'm sticking to it with my vote on Killa seven
for pushing my action.
My vote still stands because it wouldn't surprise me if you did
accidentally or intentionally
fall into the trap. If the people want a lynch em both, I'm willing to settle for that, since there is a
high liklihood one of us is scum.
I honestly think that you are too quick to think both of us are town.
I personally believe one of us is scum
, and that's where my vote stands, since I know my alignment.
I've asserted I'm town several times.
I was rather under the impression no matter what I said someone would make a case for it.
Covering my bolded points:
1.) Why say you look scummy instead of doing something about it if you are town?
2.) You say to attract over agrssive TOWNIES. I think this is a scumslip.
3.a) Why mention this? It just stands out oddly.
3.b) Pushing your action? I thought the point WAS for you to find scum.
4.a) Why, in the name of zeus, would he intentionally fall into this trap? The only way he could do it intentioanlly is if he KNEW it was a trap..which points to you being scum with him.
4.b) Why not just say you think he's scum instead of implying one of you is for this?
5.) Again, Why not just say you think he's scum.
6.) Of course you're going to assert you're town. Why bring it up?
So... now, I was pretty sure this was scum.. but WHY? Why now? Then, I looked back.
So, wow, how is it that I end up voting for what appears to be the only person who hasn't posted yet? (I could be wrong) Um...I know these games are a lot slower than I'm used to but there has to be some reason here :S.
She was getting heat from this. She eventually backed down off it, but it was enough heat to put herself in the light some (while trying to put some light on CF at the bottom of her joking post BUT letting Gimbo be the one to ask the questions).
At this point, why not use the heat some? Setup a gambit where maybe you get to coast along AND even if you're hung you put suspicion on someone else. If Killer is town, like I'm thinking, then it hurts the scum losing a player but almost guarantees a mislynch in the future.
Feelings:
My gut said it initially and I decided to reread before..
vote forbiddanlight
. She's scum. Sometimes we need to not WIFOM ourselves out of an obvious target because they're too obvious.
