Spurg wrote:
No, streetflo wrote "Result: No Result" when disclosing what tracking Lucienne and Elias did on the nights Shaft.ed and originality were killed. So, in essence, my scumlist goes (pretty easily from most suspicious to least.
Gemelli.
Volkann.
ABR.
Elias.
Me.
Gemelli and Volkann are a bit interchangeable as of today, Volkann's freaking me out a bit, just because I always hate massclaims, even when everybody's claiming vanilla. Elias and myself are tied for least scummy, as I know he didn't visit originality, at least in the cases godfathers would get tracked, which I would be surprised against
Spurg, I don't know if you have been following things, but let me restate my position on this.
We know for sure we are at 4:1. I know that I am pro-town. I am now quite sure that you are pro-town, and by extension Elias also. That leaves 2 people: ABR and Gemelli. What I have advocated today is precisely consistent with me being town. Unfortunately, I know that it is also consistent with me doing a large amount of bussing.
If you find my plan suspect, do not support it. As above, though, it makes no sense to consider me scummy for advocating it.
Answer this question: What would townVollkan do today, knowing that the scum is among Lucienne and Gemelli and that we can safely mislynch?
As for the mass claim thing, I did it for a very good reason: If we mislynched today, the scum could claim a power role tomorrow. Obviously, that would not guarantee their success, but it would be enough that suspicion might be dispersed to other people - chiefly myself, the only unclaimed player. Thus, I got everybody to claim to prevent this from occurring. I could be reasonably sure scum would not claim a power role today, because such a setup would be very unlikely. If we mislynched, however, I was concerned that a scum might claim a power role and potentially topple the game over.
Again, a question: What would townVollkan do today, knowing the potential for the above scenario to arise?
Gemelli wrote:
If you look over Originality's posts from yesterday, he did not seem to find me or Vollkan suspicious. His top suspect was Lucienne, with Elias and Korlash as runners up. So I ask you: were I actually Mafia, why would I have chosen a NK target who (1) did not suspect me himself, and (2) was suspected as a possible SK by the town? I would certainly have prioritized Spurgistan (tracker with a good chance of targetting me) or Vollkan (most active player with an aggressive scumhunting style) as a NK over Originality, a player who supported me and who could have been a lightning rod for a future town lynch towards endgame.
This is an enormous "If I were mafia, why would I....?" What is commonly called WIFOM. If you had not NKed Orig, then D4 would have opened at 3:1:1 (where the final "1" represents Orig, whether he be SK or vig, since you would have no way of knowing).
Now, let's say that you decided to kill Spurg N3. That would make it -
D4 opens at = vollkan, ABR, Elias : Gemelli : Orig
Now, in the event of a mislynch (Which would occur by us choosing to take our chances with Orig and instead pursue mafia), it would only have been really possible to have ABR or Elias as the lynchee. Let's say that it was ABR.
After D4 lynch = vollkan, Elias: Gemelli : Orig
Now, at night, you run a real risk of being targeted by Orig, particularly if you behave scummily during the day.
What if you had decided to kill me last night-
After N3 = Spurg, ABR, Elias : Gemelli : Orig
Here, let's say that ABR was again the lynchee.
After D4 lynch = Spurg, Elias : Gemelli : Orig
This puts you in a very tight spot. You are exposed to Orig killing you and to Spurg targeting you.
All in all, Gemelli, I think it perfectly conceivable that you would NK Orig.
Gemelli wrote:
Anyway, for those of you who are still trying to decide between me and Lucienne/ABR, I hope you at least keep in mind the contributions each of us has made to this game. Heck, you can use the parser to look up what each of posted to the thread, and when -- the parser that I wrote because of this game, and shared with its players, specifically because this game was already large and unwieldy by the time I replaced in, and because I wanted to arm the town with what I thought would be a useful scum-hunting tool. What would be the motivation for me to share the application with you guys, or even let you know that it existed, if I was scum?
This is interesting - Gemelli is showing a real self-preservation interest. Gemelli, if you are town, we have won already. It would be nicer to win today than tomorrow, but the ultimate outcome remains the same. Thus, I don't understand why you are arguingabout yourself being less scummy - to the point of this weak "If I were mafia why would I....?" about the parser.
If Spurg can clarify whether AlyG received no result 
Absolutely great game all.