Mini 1336 - Revolution Mafia Game Over!

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The fact that you and SpyreX were counter-wagons, and SpyreX's picked up that last little bit of steam at the end to save you? Makes you HUGE fucking scum.

What are you on about? There was a last minute push on me, not on SpyreX. The only things even remotely close to what you're describing are: BBmolla's switch back to SpyreX after I dismantled his reasoning, which makes oodles more sense as a scum caught with his hand in the cookie jar than as a weird quickly withdrawn bus attempt; MattP's unvote, but MattP's town; and my literally last minute vote switcharoo.

[Llamarble]

At this point scum have enough influence over the lynch that I'm going to refuse to vote anybody Kuribo isn't voting seeing as he's the only player I 100% trust. I am strongly of the opinion that in high scum : town ratio situations town should agree to vote along with somebody who's widely agreed to be town and then talk things over with that player. I would sure like to get rid of Kanye though.

Don't be bad, 'marble. Today is the day we lynch Kanye.

If you're town, then you've been just as bad this game as I have.
If not worse, since I at least have acknowledged that the mislynches I've been part of were not :confidentreads:
And with almost every town vote required to lynch correctly, I am not going to vote different from the only player I'm truly confident is town.

VOTE: CES

vote molla

marble can wait til after molla flips scum.

Haha even when I'm roleconfirmed not the saboteur you still want to lynch me.
At this point I would be enormously disrespecting you if I thought you could reasonably be town.
You + CES + Molla sounds good, though Darox / Implosion need to stop being invisible and I'm not ready to count out Vijay or MattP.

The weird thing about all the roles we've gotten is that not a single one of them is good for anything other than catching scum doing bad stuff. But we don't have any evidence that scum are actually doing bad stuff (except, finally, for today).

Might be good to lynch Kanye before CES though because of the swap-onto-mission power.

I want Kanye to claim whether he used the swap-onto-mission power or not.

[BBmolla]

Hey Molla, you alignment-knowing idiot, how the fuck am I scum?

PoE. What the hell is alignment-knowing idiot supposed to mean?

How is CES not obv town after yesterday

[BBmolla]

Fuck this town, seriously, bunch of ass holes who have their heads up their own asses. Myself included.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

If you're town, then you've been just as bad this game as I have.
If not worse, since I at least have acknowledged that the mislynches I've been part of were not :confidentreads:

Yeah but I'm voting Kanye right now and you're voting the guy Kanye tried to get mislynched Yesterday. And I certainly haven't been worse than you simply just because you've posted more "woe is me" stuff (also: pretty sure I wasn't here for the Elmo mislynch).

[kuribo]

Hey Molla, you alignment-knowing idiot, how the fuck am I scum?

PoE. What the hell is alignment-knowing idiot supposed to mean?

How is CES not obv town after yesterday

It means that you're an idiot that got a role PM telling you who shared your alignment and could talk to you in a quicktopic.

How the fuck is CES "obv town?"

Also, I'm going to fucking kill someone the next time someone says "obv town"

[BBmolla]

obv town

Now kill kanye, he's someone.

[Llamarble]

If you're town, then you've been just as bad this game as I have.
If not worse, since I at least have acknowledged that the mislynches I've been part of were not :confidentreads:

Yeah but I'm voting Kanye right now and you're voting the guy Kanye tried to get mislynched Yesterday. And I certainly haven't been worse than you simply just because you've posted more "woe is me" stuff (also: pretty sure I wasn't here for the Elmo mislynch).

I'd be glad to lynch Kanye if Kuribo is interested, but I do have trouble believing a game containing you me Fate and Spyrex could go this badly for town with none of us scum.
Molla requires death too.

I'm just not going to worry about Implosion Darox Vijay Matt right now.
As long as today's lynch comes from CES Kanye Molla and Kuribo agrees with it I'll be happy.
We're not going to win the game if at least two of those 3 are town anyway.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'd be glad to lynch Kanye if Kuribo is interested, but I do have trouble believing a game containing you me Fate and Spyrex could go this badly for town with none of us scum.

I have a much harder time believing the push on you was all town if you want to talk abstract group-based arguments (bonus: the dependence actually goes the right way in my argument).

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Also, Fate.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The grouping fallacy is what we decided on as the name for this particular mistake of reasoning, yeah, 'marble? Well, you're committing it.

[Llamarble]

Town is doing badly -> it is fairly likely one of the strong players is scum.

Give me 3 good reasons that you are town.
Not including the 'my initial role wasn't helpful to scum' thing which I still don't really agree with or see as something that makes you town.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Town is doing badly -> it is fairly likely one of the strong players is scum.

I find that if you're moving from specifics to generalities, it's a good sign your argument might not be all that good in the specific case you're dealing with. All you've got is a burden of proficiency argument and there's ample evidence to suggest that townies tend to underperform in this specific environment.

Give me 3 good reasons that you are town.
Not including the 'my initial role wasn't helpful to scum' thing which I still don't really agree with or see as something that makes you town.

You're alive.
Scum tried to get me mislynched Yesterday.
(Fate called me town?)
Lack of zest.
I wasn't going to include the "my initial role wasn't helpful to scum" thing anyway since it was based on the mistaken impression that I started out with that ability and I assume the ability handing out mechanic is random.

[Llamarble]

Burden of proficiency arguments aren't totally worthless though.

So your slot actually did not start with that ability?
Because that would make Vijay the only one who started with an ability.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Not totally worthless, no, but not the kind of thing you should be basing lynches on at this point, especially with Kanyescum around.

Yes, fairly sure my slot did not start with that ability.

[Llamarble]

How'd you get it then (HC used it N1) ?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I assume N1 although D1 works too, I suppose. Does it matter?

[GreyICE]

Concision, a hydra of CES and Regfan, replaces CES

[Concision]

Got it at the start of D1, apparently.

[implosion]

Right now, i basically have townreads and people-that-might-be-scum. My townreads are, in order of confidence (i think): llamarble, kuribo, vijay, CES, darox. Which leaves kanye and bbmolla. It also leaves mattp, but he kind of defies the scale because i feel like some of the things that i (and others) have been thinking of as towntells might just be shit that he does - i've been thinking this since i noticed multiple random games (i think at least two) where matt wound up winning as the last living scum. So metaing him would probably be a good idea, but god, i'm at a loss for motivation in this game.

[Concision]

Hey everyone, will be catching and reading up on this game tonight, if there's anything in particular you want me to read into specifically then let me know now.

Grey, can you please amend the OP with SpyreX's lynch.

[vijay2vasandani]

I compromised Implosion that one time. I'm confused now.

VOTE: Kanye

[Llamarble]

Why'd you hydrify at this point in the game?

[vijay2vasandani]

Is that at me? English please.

[Llamarble]

That was at concision.