Mafia 88- Return to New Catania- Game Over!

[Adel]

@Seraphim: are you ready to name the next person to claim?

I see that you've made 15 posts on this site since your last post in this game. Are you stalling?

[Seraphim]

No. Just thinking.

I want Adel to claim next.

[Adel]

vanilla townie.

I want tubby to claim next.

[tubby216]

vanilla townie.

I want yos to claim next.

[Yosarian2]

vanillia townie. I want Iamusername to claim next

[iamausername]

Vanilla townie. That was exciting.

[Yosarian2]

honestly i have no idea i'll have to read on him awhile...

let me do that and i will get back to you

Still waiting to hear what tubby thinks about imusername.

[Seraphim]

So it's pretty much two scum, a miller, and two vanillas? So much for night actions.

[tubby216]

honestly i have no idea i'll have to read on him awhile...

let me do that and i will get back to you

Still waiting to hear what tubby thinks about imusername.

meh i gave up on since i diddn't see anything right off

[Yosarian2]

I'd really like everyone to comment on Iamusername here; I'm pretty sure he is scum at this point, but we also need to gather info today so we can lynch his buddy tommorow.

[Adel]

I'd much rather lynch Seraphim. His continued greater level of activity in other games just re-enforces the scumminess of Der Hammer's lurking and miller claim.

[tubby216]

really he seems pretty active in this since its a lurkfest

[Seraphim]

I was only semi-following this game when I replaced in. I'm rereading the last couple of the days and the remaining players in isolation to try and get a feel for the game.

My gut still says iamusername is scum but I still need to reread more.

[Adel]

My gut still says that if I just agree with Yos2 I should be able to slip by.

fixed.

[Seraphim]

Argument From Repetition

Could Der Hammer be a mafia goon in a mafia that has a living doctor in it?

why not Iamusername-Der Hammer?

I'm having trouble imagining a scum group that doesn't include Der Hammer.

I see that you've made 15 posts on this site since your last post in this game. Are you stalling?

I'd much rather lynch Seraphim. His continued greater level of activity in other games just re-enforces the scumminess of Der Hammer's lurking and miller claim.

And this is just today. I'm not an expert or particularly good at this game yet compared to some other players. However, I'm smart enough to see this: you aren't willing to admit other possible scum pairs. My predecessor lurked like crazy, true, but I am not my predecessor.

@Seraphim: which possibility do you think is more likely?
1. OGML was killed to setup iamausername
2. OGML was killed by a scumgrup that includes iamausername

How obvious do you think it was that OGML was an obvious vig?

On which day do you think the scum should've figured out that he was a vig?

1. I think possibility 2 is more likely because it was unclear who OGML would vig that night. There was plenty of suspicion to go around and killing a suspected vig as soon as possible was probably the optimal scum play. Then, they could push whoever was left alive after the night.

2. Not sure. Haven't read OGML as he is dead. However, keeping vigs alive to kill off townies is generally a scum play. Approaching LYOL, getting rid of the vig is optimal scum play.

3. Why is this an important question?

[iamausername]

tubby, who is scum?

I'd much rather lynch Seraphim. His continued greater level of activity in other games just re-enforces the scumminess of Der Hammer's lurking and miller claim.

If Seraphim is scum, Yos is obviously his partner, y/n?

@Seraphim: which possibility do you think is more likely?
1. OGML was killed to setup iamausername
2. OGML was killed by a scumgrup that includes iamausername

I think possibility 2 is more likely because it was unclear who OGML would vig that night. There was plenty of suspicion to go around and killing a suspected vig as soon as possible was probably the optimal scum play. Then, they could push whoever was left alive after the night.

What part of this isn't equally likely to have come from a scumgroup that doesn't include me?

I'm actually pretty close to voting Iamusername right now, because the odds of him being town are small; I'm mostly just waiting for the massclaim at this point.

Massclaim's done, what are you waiting for now?

[Seraphim]

Sorry, this didn't translate well. I think it's more likely that you are scum than you were set-up to look like scum today due to the large amount of targets possible to look like scum. OGML was the obvious vig and killing him was the optimal play.

[Yosarian2]

tubby, who is scum?

I'd much rather lynch Seraphim. His continued greater level of activity in other games just re-enforces the scumminess of Der Hammer's lurking and miller claim.

If Seraphim is scum, Yos is obviously his partner, y/n?

Um...if Seraphim is scum, you seem like a pretty likely partner to him, considering your behavior in general and the timing of your vote on him, Iamusername. Same is true if Tubby is scum or if Adel is scum.

I'm actually pretty close to voting Iamusername right now, because the odds of him being town are small; I'm mostly just waiting for the massclaim at this point.

Massclaim's done, what are you waiting for now?

I'm in no big rush; this is lynch or lose, after all, and most of the town is being frustratingly quiet; I want to get reactions out of everyone, try to get as much information as I can. Why, what's your rush?

[Seraphim]

If Seraphim is scum, Yos is obviously his partner, y/n?

This kinda seems like a stretch to me. Did my predecessor buddy up to Yos?

[iamausername]

Sorry, this didn't translate well. I think it's more likely that you are scum than you were set-up to look like scum today due to the large amount of targets possible to look like scum. OGML was the obvious vig and killing him was the optimal play.

I'm still finding the wording a bit confusing, but I think the gist is that killing the obv vig would be a much more pressing concern for the scumgroup than setting anyone up, regardless of its members. Is that right?

Um...if Seraphim is scum, you seem like a pretty likely partner to him, considering your behavior in general and the timing of your vote on him, Iamusername. Same is true if Tubby is scum or if Adel is scum.

I was asking Adel. I think we can all take for granted that your answer to "is Yos Seraphim's partner?" would be 'no'.

I'm actually pretty close to voting Iamusername right now, because the odds of him being town are small; I'm mostly just waiting for the massclaim at this point.

Massclaim's done, what are you waiting for now?

I'm in no big rush; this is lynch or lose, after all, and most of the town is being frustratingly quiet; I want to get reactions out of everyone, try to get as much information as I can. Why, what's your rush?

No rush, I'm just wondering why you said "I'm actually pretty close to voting Iamusername right now" when that was apparently not true.

[tubby216]

I'm in no big rush; this is lynch or lose, after all, and most of the town is being frustratingly quiet; I want to get reactions out of everyone, try to get as much information as I can. Why, what's your rush?

are you sure this is lynch or lose?

i mean sure its possible but there were still two kills last nite, so to me there is probably two killing elements left

[Seraphim]

Sorry, this didn't translate well. I think it's more likely that you are scum than you were set-up to look like scum today due to the large amount of targets possible to look like scum. OGML was the obvious vig and killing him was the optimal play.

I'm still finding the wording a bit confusing, but I think the gist is that killing the obv vig would be a much more pressing concern for the scumgroup than setting anyone up, regardless of its members. Is that right?

Yes. Adel's question was kinda loaded...there is always the possibility that you are NOT scum and that they killed the vig for the sake of killing the vig.

[Seraphim]

are you sure this is lynch or lose?

i mean sure its possible but there were still two kills last nite, so to me there is probably two killing elements left

This post is uber-scummy. Yes, we should assume LYOL because there is a scumteam out there with two likely living members(Florida Mafia) and five living players in the town as a whole, scum can win if we do not hit scum today.

And the second kill was probably OGML's kill, tubby. Are you trying to confuse the town and achieve a mislynch?

[tubby216]

no i am trying to figure this out,,

[Yosarian2]

No rush, I'm just wondering why you said "I'm actually pretty close to voting Iamusername right now" when that was apparently not true.

Oh, it is true.