Open 674: Duck Duck Goose [Game Over]

[Creature]

When are we gonna go achieve a lynch? Or is there a trick that we should wait for deadline lynches?

[outoforder]

I am going to now tell you something. There is absolutely no way there is 2 mafia in me/Hapa and Rels. You can choose to not believe me but that is 100% going to be the truth this game. I know i am not mafia and

there is literally no way either of me and Rels would have treated Hapa early on in the game like we did in case he was mafia. Maybe you are right and Hapa is mafia, i just don't believe it.

can anyone see what i see

I don't know what you are seeing, but what i am saying is if Hapa somwhow flips mafia in this game Rels will probably yell to lynch me. I don't care much about that because you can easily afford a mislynch there. I am saying there is probably going to be a horde of dumbasses yelling to lynch Rels after that, but if Hapa flips mafia never ever lynch Rels.

[outoforder]

When are we gonna go achieve a lynch? Or is there a trick that we should wait for deadline lynches?

I don't understand why we should lynch in less than 14 days if we have 14 days.

[cassielle]

I am going to now tell you something. There is absolutely no way there is 2 mafia in me/Hapa and Rels. You can choose to not believe me but that is 100% going to be the truth this game. I know i am not mafia and

there is literally no way either of me and Rels would have treated Hapa early on in the game like we did in case he was mafia. Maybe you are right and Hapa is mafia, i just don't believe it.

can anyone see what i see

what about you creature, can you see what i see

[Creature]

Wait, there are 14 days left?

[Creature]

Something like "there's no way we would have whiteknighted scum"?

[outoforder]

No, something like 8.
What i was trying to say is why lynch in for example 7 days if the dayphase lasts for 14 days?
more information = more accuracy.

[Creature]

idk, one week is enough to start trying lynches.

[Creature]

It isn't recommended to start looking for lynches just when there are three days left.

[cassielle]

Something like "there's no way we would have whiteknighted scum"?

not quite. here:

I am going to now tell you something. There is absolutely no way there is 2 mafia in me/Hapa and Rels. You can choose to not believe me but that is 100% going to be the truth this game. I know i am not mafia and

there is literally no way either of me and Rels would have treated Hapa

early on in the game like we did in case he was mafia

. Maybe you are right and Hapa is mafia, i just don't believe it.

[outoforder]

Hapahauli cannot possibly be mafia with anyone in this game except for maybe Creature and Cassielle and neither of those combinations make any sense to me. So there is that.
If you wanna lynch Hapa i'll put my own game in the line because i actually feel that strong about it right now. If you want to lynch Hapa the only player he really makes sense as mafia is me, so i propose that you lynch me instead of him.

Then you just don't get retarded and lynch

havingfitz

. Then you can still lynch both of

KidAmn and Rels.

And that's going to win the game. We can afford 2 mislynches.

I will help you with self-voting if that's the case.
I'd rather lynch mafia though.

[cassielle]

Hapahauli cannot possibly be mafia with anyone in this game except for maybe Creature and Cassielle and neither of those combinations make any sense to me. So there is that.
If you wanna lynch Hapa i'll put my own game in the line because i actually feel that strong about it right now. If you want to lynch Hapa the only player he really makes sense as mafia is me, so i propose that you lynch me instead of him.

Then you just don't get retarded and lynch

havingfitz

. Then you can still lynch both of

KidAmn and Rels.

And that's going to win the game. We can afford 2 mislynches.

I will help you with self-voting if that's the case.
I'd rather lynch mafia though.

the problem with this is WIFOM

would scum say this to get the towncred of saying it? we dont/cant know

i mean i know you put effort into this post and all but all im thinking atm is "sure, lets do that" because that possible-bluff almost deserves calling
VOTE: outoforder

[Creature]

Not sure how you came with this conclusion though.

[outoforder]

idk, one week is enough to start trying lynches.

It isn't recommended to start looking for lynches just when there are three days left.

Well idk how you guys usually work here but i work with the mindset of "more information = more accuracy". IML games are quite terrible for that tbh since usually people end up getting bored because they could lynch already and make rash decisions with limited amount of information (in comparison to what it could be). Therefore in my opinion reads and strong opinions matter way more than actual votes (early on), since it's really just dumb to lynch when you have like 2/3 of dayphase left. Even if you had a confirmed scum it's dumb because the more time town has the more likely town is winning the game. That is - if people don't be dumb and actually USE the time they have.

[outoforder]

Hapahauli cannot possibly be mafia with anyone in this game except for maybe Creature and Cassielle and neither of those combinations make any sense to me. So there is that.
If you wanna lynch Hapa i'll put my own game in the line because i actually feel that strong about it right now. If you want to lynch Hapa the only player he really makes sense as mafia is me, so i propose that you lynch me instead of him.

Then you just don't get retarded and lynch

havingfitz

. Then you can still lynch both of

KidAmn and Rels.

And that's going to win the game. We can afford 2 mislynches.

I will help you with self-voting if that's the case.
I'd rather lynch mafia though.

the problem with this is WIFOM

would scum say this to get the towncred of saying it? we dont/cant know

i mean i know you put effort into this post and all but all im thinking atm is "sure, lets do that" because that possible-bluff almost deserves calling
VOTE: outoforder

Do you believe me in case i flip town?

[outoforder]

Because you only vote me here for that in case you do.
Otherwise it's just retarded.

[Creature]

i work with the mindset of "more information = more accuracy".

I work with time is money.

If nothing new is happening, may as well just end the day.

[outoforder]

i work with the mindset of "more information = more accuracy".

I work with time is money.

If nothing new is happening, may as well just end the day.

Of course. That would also be a case where all the town players are dumb and for some reason don't want anything to happen.

[Tenshii]

Votecount 2.4

[L-3] hapahauli - BlackVoid, Rels, Creature
[L-4] havingfitz -momo, outoforder
[L-4] outoforder - KidAmn, cassielle
[L-5] Rels - Kop

Not voting: hapahauli, havingfitz

With 10 alive, a majority vote is decided with 6 players.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-03-19 00:00:00)

Prod: Kop has (expired on 2017-03-09 11:20:00) to post until being force-replaced.

[cassielle]

idk, one week is enough to start trying lynches.

It isn't recommended to start looking for lynches just when there are three days left.

Well idk how you guys usually work here but i work with the mindset of "more information = more accuracy". IML games are quite terrible for that tbh since usually people end up getting bored because they could lynch already and make rash decisions with limited amount of information (in comparison to what it could be). Therefore in my opinion reads and strong opinions matter way more than actual votes (early on), since it's really just dumb to lynch when you have like 2/3 of dayphase left. Even if you had a confirmed scum it's dumb because the more time town has the more likely town is winning the game. That is - if people don't be dumb and actually USE the time they have.

this is just so telling to me
like

ok, dude, when i was new on this site, i said the same thing
hell, creature was there for it

and i caught both fuckin scum end of d1 with that mentality, but i got flak for it from town and scum both so i doubted my reads and ended up pocketed by one scumplayer and not recognizing the other scumplayer as scum anymore

the problem is -- ok, im not saying youre /wrong/, hell no, obviously its good play
BUT

but site meta prefers early lynches past d1 because 1: you can only lynch a single slot a day, 2: herding town onto a wagon is like herding cats into a bathtub, 3: scum can hide in the end-of-day chaos when theres a lot of deadline panicvoting, and they can also redirect arguments so they come out clean next dayphase and hands-off grab themselves two or three MLs in the process

[outoforder]

I don't mean deadline panicvoting.
This D1 was not really deadline panicvoting since BlackVoid who was leading was acting very rationally.

If a day ends with ~2 hrs left that doesn't always mean "panicvoting".
You should try 48h day phases to know what panicvoting is.

[cassielle]

Hapahauli cannot possibly be mafia with anyone in this game except for maybe Creature and Cassielle and neither of those combinations make any sense to me. So there is that.
If you wanna lynch Hapa i'll put my own game in the line because i actually feel that strong about it right now. If you want to lynch Hapa the only player he really makes sense as mafia is me, so i propose that you lynch me instead of him.

Then you just don't get retarded and lynch

havingfitz

. Then you can still lynch both of

KidAmn and Rels.

And that's going to win the game. We can afford 2 mislynches.

I will help you with self-voting if that's the case.
I'd rather lynch mafia though.

the problem with this is WIFOM

would scum say this to get the towncred of saying it? we dont/cant know

i mean i know you put effort into this post and all but all im thinking atm is "sure, lets do that" because that possible-bluff almost deserves calling
VOTE: outoforder

Do you believe me in case i flip town?

i believe that you genuinely think that
i dont agree with your thought process tho and thus dont agree with the conclusion

i have good reason to vote you here and it will become apparent /before/ end of day, one way or the other

[outoforder]

Well that's what i kinda believed you'd say.
But i don't really care. I care about if my reads are good or not. I think they are this game and i think i have solved the game to a point where i don't have to find the last mafia since i have PoE'd everyone else out of the equation. And i can't tell which one of KidAmn and Rels is scum atm. No rereading will do the magic for me here since i've read it all enough times.

[Creature]

Day 1: A topic starts
Day 2: At this point there should have been something
Day 3: Topic will probably stall, but just bring something new
Day 4: We discuss that something new
Day 5: We push players
Day 6: We organize our reads
Day 7: We start pushing lynch wagons
Day 8: We flipflop around
Day 9: Day's discussion already done
Day 10: Good to lynch already
Day 11: Very good to lynch already
Day 12: If you're still there, better start worrying
Day 13: Speed up that wagon if you haven't already, otherwise things might get ugly
Day 14: You better have a good wagon because this is considered just an emergency day

[cassielle]

Well that's what i kinda believed you'd say.
But i don't really care. I care about if my reads are good or not. I think they are this game and i think i have solved the game to a point where i don't have to find the last mafia since i have PoE'd everyone else out of the equation. And i can't tell which one of KidAmn and Rels is scum atm. No rereading will do the magic for me here since i've read it all enough times.

hm

i should take a look at possible worlds