New York 180 (Endgame)

[elusive]

@Ika or Titus - would it be okay if I switch to estival and played with that account? It's going to be a mess if I try to have two accounts at the same time?

Lynch NakedJogger people.

[Ozgin]

FA_Q2 -- Let me be clearer. Anyone voting Ellie better vote me first because I will defend her to my dying breath. Got it. And hence another reason VF's claim is full of shit. I should know. I have faked guilties twice believably so now I'm fucked if I ever draw cop

@Ozgin -- Ask ika post game. I'm better as a replacement than I am at the start of games. I'm a lethal end game replace.

I think it's all relative to how far into a day you are, because if I replaced in at the start of day 2 and not the end of day 1, I'd have an easier time because I haven't formed any biased opinions about people and a lot of the white noise happening would be cleared away. Everyone loves to "get right down to business" after a lynch.

But I agree with the sentiment that we need to close a wagon and close one fast. Who is actually closer, Kling or NJ?

I believe if I vote Kling it puts her in hammer range, last I checked?

[pisskop]

I am confused at what you are trying to say here. It supports what I was getting at and I have no idea about the 'old' site. This is essentially my first game here

A cop claim on day one is unlikely to be CC for precisely those reasons - the fake cop can be caught without reveling the real cop at a later time. The fake claiming scum WANTS a counter claim (at least this early in the game) - then they can take out the cop before there are any confirmed townies/scum.

I think I'm overthinking it now . . .
. If its possible or likely the town can find out in other ways whether or not its a fake claim, and the cop themself knows it, then they could simply reveal when they felt comfortable. They could essentially use the fakeclaim as a free scumclaim, and start investigating suspects around the fakeclaimer.
. I guess I don't expect scum to try something that is eventually going to fail.

[Ozgin]

VOTE: klingoncelt

I'm not really seeing the NJ scumread, klingon is closer to lynch and I did a small read on klingon that also in part explains why I don't think she fits the town bill.

She is now 1 vote away from hammer, I went back through the last 7 pages and looked at the vote changes.

[elusive]

Cowardly scum and their ridiculously unfashionable scum underlings, boo boo boo.

[MathBlade]

VC 1.0

Kitz: Naked jogger [L-10]

((THIS IS FROM POST 1518 best as I can tell. If I made a mistake let me know. This is unofficial.))

ABR: Ellie [L-10]

Mathblade: Shinobi [L-10]

Klingoncelt: Aeronaut, TSO, SilverWolf, FA_Q2, vikingfan, Nobody Special, ABR, Cheetory6, pisskop, Ozgin [L-1]

Naked jogger: kitz, Mathblade, dragonspawn, Grib, elusive, ellie [L-4]

Ellie: Boonskiies [L-9]

Aeronaut: House [L-10]

T S O: Klingoncelt [L-10]

Grib: NakedJogger

Not voting: Wake88

21 alive, 11 to lynch

(expired on 2015-02-22 00:00:00)

Mod notes:

[MathBlade]

I will only hammer if I have to at deadline so we have a lynch. I really think Klingoncelt is town but consider this intent to hammer.

[MathBlade]

I am confused at what you are trying to say here. It supports what I was getting at and I have no idea about the 'old' site. This is essentially my first game here

A cop claim on day one is unlikely to be CC for precisely those reasons - the fake cop can be caught without reveling the real cop at a later time. The fake claiming scum WANTS a counter claim (at least this early in the game) - then they can take out the cop before there are any confirmed townies/scum.

I think I'm overthinking it now . . .
. If its possible or likely the town can find out in other ways whether or not its a fake claim, and the cop themself knows it, then they could simply reveal when they felt comfortable. They could essentially use the fakeclaim as a free scumclaim, and start investigating suspects around the fakeclaimer.
. I guess I don't expect scum to try something that is eventually going to fail.

This is where I disagree with you. If VF hadnt' have claimed cop they'd be lynched. Even if it fails it gains VF an additional day of life with no risk. So what if he's discovered? If it fails theres' literally no risk with the way MafiaScum's set up is of fake claiming cop.

[Ozgin]

Cowardly scum and their ridiculously unfashionable scum underlings, boo boo boo.

Well considering I'm going away for a bit, and for what may be the probable remainder of the first day, I'm obliged to give my vote to whomever is closer to lynch, considering there's just over 6 hours left in the day. I'll be back probably in half an hour or so, if things slip towards NJ in that time then I'll change my vote. But considering I don't necessarily like either of them for this lynch, and since everyone seems insistent on pushing a lynch on one or the other, it only makes sense to me to vote for kling since this puts her at L-1.

[MathBlade]

That is why saying "so and so claimed cop" don't lynch them is bad. It's about analyzing all the pieces and seeing if you believe the claim. Until VF acts protown I won't believe it.

[elusive]

That wasn't meant for you in particular.

If people really think that both wagons are town or are are uneasy on them then GET THE FUCK OFF.

[dragonspawn]

The klingon wagon hinges on her question on whether to lynch slots requesting replacement and not actually voting. NJ actually votes for someone requesting replacement six hours before the deadline. Why the heck is this being ignored?!?!

[elusive]

MathBlade, you have to refer to me as Es or Estival or even Elusive but not my former because she was reckless and volatile and we are trying to be a whole new person full of serenity.

[MathBlade]

@Dragonspawn -- I'm not. HEnce the stall of the hammer. i really want people to see NJ is scum.

@Elusive -- oh alright *sniff* As you wish.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't think Klingon is that scummy.

I'd lynch Ellie over Klingon. A few others.

But he's not a terrible lynch since we already got a claim and there's a chance he flips scum.

[dragonspawn]

@Dragonspawn -- I'm not. HEnce the stall of the hammer. i really want people to see NJ is scum.

@Elusive -- oh alright *sniff* As you wish.

you're the only one.

and yet the same people who thing klingons case is so strong are ignoring NJ doing the same thing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

MathBlade, you have to refer to me as Es or Estival or even Elusive but not my former because she was reckless and volatile and we are trying to be a whole new person full of serenity.

Can someone explain this?

[MathBlade]

I know Elusive as Lyrium from another board. I called her Lyrium. Recognized her play style and she hinted at it.

[pisskop]

This is where I disagree with you. If VF hadnt' have claimed cop they'd be lynched. Even if it fails it gains VF an additional day of life with no risk. So what if he's discovered? If it fails theres' literally no risk with the way MafiaScum's set up is of fake claiming cop.

That is why saying "so and so claimed cop" don't lynch them is bad. It's about analyzing all the pieces and seeing if you believe the claim. Until VF acts protown I won't believe it.

So because he was already in a ways, he didn't have anything to lose that wasn't already going.

[elusive]

pisskop, etc., can you explain NakedJogger's choosing Grib of all people to make a case against (putting down a vote on a person without a wagon) and the disappearing? How is that town?

Vote NakedJogger

[MathBlade]

Exactly. So VF claiming cop while doing nothing cop like, discussing mechanics of who to investigate instead of hunting.

If VF was lynched and likely didn't flip cop there is nothing to lose. However this site's meta is to not lynch claimed cops. So this saves his bacon. Name something protown VF has done since claiming. If you can't you should be doubting their claim. If you can you should be trying to set me straight on VFs' townieness. However with no one willing to take a stand other than "I believe his claim" this should be a warning.

[vikingfan]

The klingon wagon hinges on her question on whether to lynch slots requesting replacement and not actually voting. NJ actually votes for someone requesting replacement six hours before the deadline. Why the heck is this being ignored?!?!

I'm not remotely ignoring it. I just would rather not risk having NJ claim or risk losing a town PR. Klingon will flip either townie or scum.

[elusive]

How do you know NakedJogger is a town PR or is town at all?

[dragonspawn]

So we lynch klingon because we don't know what naked is. That is dumb reasoning

[vikingfan]

pisskop, etc., can you explain NakedJogger's choosing Grib of all people to make a case against (putting down a vote on a person without a wagon) and the disappearing? How is that town?

Vote NakedJogger

You're already voting NJ according to mathblade's count...