Mini 1352: Leprechaun Mafia - Game over

[evilpacman18]

FuDuzn, why do you want to lynch me? You've had a town read on me for the majority of the game and have had a scum read on Tammy more often than not. So why are you switching up now? I mean I realize that my play is weaker in the more recent few days but what scum motivation am I showing? Where is the scum motivation that you didn't see before? Same question to you Tammy. You've never tried to lynch me until now.

[Tammy]

All the evidence points to you pacman. I never had a town read on you either, in fact I'm here with three people I've gone back and forth with all game on my read. I'm looking at the scum team. I'm looking at their actions, and you fit as their partner.

But pacman, aren't I your scum suspect right now? Why are you trying to appeal to my sensibilities? Have you even read anything I've posted over the past couple days? I've made it very clear why youre the remaining scum member.

[Tammy]

Solid town read*

[Tammy]

Pacman - it's this kind of thing that you can't ignore. And you can't really explain this away.

Then there's this:

I actually think Armageddon is town, even if his post was kinda bad. Me/FuDuzn/petapan wouldn't make sense as a scum team, but I can relate to having top suspects that probably aren't scumbuddies. I think this just shows that he's legitimately trying to scumhunt instead of worrying about making his reads appear perfect. Working Manju also looks town.

Call my predecessor town.

I actually think Armageddon is town, even if his post was kinda bad. Me/FuDuzn/petapan wouldn't make sense as a scum team, but I can relate to having top suspects that probably aren't scumbuddies. I think this just shows that he's legitimately trying to scumhunt instead of worrying about making his reads appear perfect. Working Manju also looks town.

no see agreeing with the reasoning of people that he thinks are scum is why he's scum - you can't suspect someone while also thinking what they say makes sense

That's a pretty good point, actually....

Okay thinks peta makes a good point but doesn't say he thinks my predecessor is scum.

right now I'd like everybody to say which of Pine/scumhunter/epm they'd be most interested in wagoning as a support check since people don't seem to agree on much. personal priorities are Pine > scumhunter > epm

I'd prefer Scumhunter.

Notice that WM here is wanting to lynch his partner. He doesn't take the opportunity to bus, and as I pointed out in my irrelevant post that showed how they interacted with one another, bvoigt defended Pine.

It looks like the deadline is just 3 days away. Unofficial vote count:

evilpacman18 [4]: Scumhunter, Servanto, Gregory, flinter
FuDuzn [2]: bvoigt, Pine
Armageddon [2]: petapan, crypto
bvoigt [1]: Armageddon
Pine [1]: Working Manju
Gregory [1]: evilpacman18
crypto [1]: FuDuzn
Not Voting [1]: JordanA24

UNVOTE: FuDuzn
VOTE: Armageddon

I'd prefer this lynch over EPM.

The last mention he had of Armageddon he said peta had a good point, but before that he had called Armaggedon town. He had been arguing for fuduzn being scum the whole time, but here at deadline of day one when it looked likely for pacman to be lynched, he swings his momentum to the wagon of someone he had previous called town because he preferred it over epm. Now since he was sitting with his partner Pine on the fuduzn wagon, he definitely didn't mind voting with his partner, so there's not that.

It looks very much like he was trying to save his partner from a lynch here.

You guys know the deadline is in 2 days, right?

I agree with WM that Shinori is being overly defensive in #705 and #716.

DoomYoshi is pretty much null for me. I'm willing to vote him, of course.

Unofficial vote count:
evilpacman18 [3]: Gregory, FuDuzn, flinter
DoomYoshi [2]: Shinori, evilpacman18
Flinter [2]: Tammy, DoomYoshi
Scumhunter [2]: petapan, crypto
FuDuzn [1]: denisatp
Shinori [1]: Working Manju
Tammy [1]: bvoigt
Not voting (1): Scumhunter

Well, Tammy would be my preferred lynch, but it's probably not happening at this point.

UNVOTE: Tammy
VOTE: Scumhunter

He does the same thing here. After spending oodles of time and computer ink spouting about how I'm scum, we get near deadline and he moves to scumhunter. Now this one isn't as suspicious as the previous one because he'd been saying that scumhunter was scum the whole time, but he still moves momentum to another wagon when pacman was the leading wagon and evened it up with scumhunter.

It's true that gregory was never in danger, but pacman was, and it looks like he made an effort to save pacman when he was in trouble.

[Scumhunter]

@Fu. Eh, NLing doesn't hurt, but yea, EPM's "let's end this game" looks kind of like an admission to me. I'm at work atm, and I want to look things over one more time before voting. I'm pretty sure in thinking its EPM but I want to look at a few more things first. And yea NLing is generally a good rule with 4 left, but like you said not much would change tomorrow, either you or I would die and we'd still be looking at the same situation.

pedit: why do you want to end the game EPM? Right now it looks like you are going to be lynched and I like to think I'm pretty good at figuring things out late game and I try to keep an open mind...Can you explain why in a mylo situation you'd make a vote for me if you weren't set on it? I'd think if you thought I was scum you'd be saying that in thread and then wanting to NL, seemed strange to me. Plus it doesn't have to be walls or anything, but at least somt specific examples of Tammy's play that are getting your vote right now would be helpful

[Scumhunter]

We can NL still though, but If Fu-scum we aren't going to win anyways.

[Tammy]

We can NL still though, but If Fu-scum we aren't going to win anyways.

I agree if it's fu, we're screwed, but I'm putting that bit of paranoia out of my mind. I suppose the scum team could have decided to bus one and protect the other, but I'm not seeing it. The only thing that makes me real paranoid is shinori didn't mention him, but he didn't mention Gregory either. More things make sense for fu being town than scum, while far more things make sense for pacman scum. And pacman not even hesitating on fu being town today says a lot.

[Tammy]

Oh the game I was talking about finally finished today. Anyway, shinori was scum in kingdom hearts and it was multiball and in his final reads list, all his town reads were actually town and he listed one of his partners on his scum list. It's why I've been arguing that I think he has a bit of an honesty compulsion. I know these things aren't exact, but there are some basic things like that that some people do pretty consistently.

[FuDuzn]

Man, if I was scum that would have been an awesome gambit by me wouldn't it?

But I digress, I say we just go ahead and lynch today.

[FuDuzn]

VOTE: EPM

[Scumhunter]

If this is wrong, its wrong. Reviewed Fu again and if he's scum, he's scum. Don't want to overthink it and can't see myself changing my mind anyways especially after EPM's last couple posts.

vote: EPM

Hope this is right!

[Scumhunter]

Also if Tammy is scum. FUUUUUUUUU

[Tammy]

*crossing fingers*

[Tammy]

Also if Tammy is scum. FUUUUUUUUU

I'm not

[Tammy]

Oh that smiley looks sarcastic...it's not supposed to look sarcastic.

[FuDuzn]

And if Scumhunter is scum......then well played.

[Tammy]

Well if either one of you are, well played and sorry pacman

[petapan]

: (

[Tammy]

Who is it peta?

[petapan]

: (

[Tammy]

*grrrr*

Scumhunter or fuduzn be nice and come clean, regfan won't be here for hours.

[Gregory]

[FuDuzn]

It isn't me, trust me I would be gloating up a storm if I was.

So it is scumhunter I guess?

[FuDuzn]

I would think that if scumhunter was scum he wouldn't have made an explanation post about his vote as to seem town, he just would have quick voted and maybe celebrate a little.

[Scumhunter]

Well, technically didn't want to post until the official GG post from mod, never kno when there could be vengeful townies or 1-shot vigs out and about, seeing as how dead people have posted though already, yea, I r scum.