Double-Dip Mafia, Game Over

[Amrun]

Neither have I, but I am still vaguely familiar.

Either way, high power games are more common now than they used to be (I've heard) but still aren't quite the norm.

[Empking]

How?

If Quilford and I are town, who is scum?

This was the question.


It doesn't matter that this is the context because your answer is clearly worded to say 'isn't you

AND

Quilford'.

So it doesn't matter if context clearly says its about if both were town because semantics mean I didn't say

exactly

that.

[Scott Brosius]

What are these thrillseeker/benchwarmer roles?

As for Quilford's VCA, it's pretty laughable given that every single wagon my slot has been on.....SO HAS HIS SLOT. Again I wasn't in the game so I have no idea what the reasoning is. But I can easily take those 4 lynches, put your name in red and same the exact same thing. You weren't on the mafia lynch. You were on every other lynch.

Also

The remaining scum was bussing kunk - ie one of Amrun, imaginality and Empking.

How are you so confident there are only 2 scum left? Why couldn't this be LYLO with 3 scum left? Seems like a slip.

kunkstar flip was utterly predictable; I meant to put my vote on him yesterday but instead put it on you (make of that what you will, Amrun )

Say I found him scummy and didn't vote and you come up with this gem? Especially when you had literally made no mention of kunk that day.

so don't think smalls is mafia guys

Empking / DGB are the better lynches for now

This was 1155. My slot's last post was 1135. So all of a sudden I'm scum now even though no content was provided after this read?

Quil's 1208 when Tar replaces in and he gets all whiny since there is finally suspicion on him is not a town reaction.

Major scum points to Emp and Quil for voting immediately in this situation (and with this double vote thing, it's even more imperative to be careful).

Kunk in terms of living players (sorry if it's rehash but I don't know what's been said)

Amrun- Called town in 151, soft defense 745

Empking- Weak scum read in 151, Called scummy for voting tar 646

Crazy- Votes in 381, Claims after a Hiraki hammer that Crazy is lynched tomorrow, Votes Crazy 631 beginning of D2

imaginality- Gut scum in 381

Tar- town read 381, soft defense 646,

There isn't too much to draw from here. Crazy looks the worst out of this especially given the it doesn't read like bussing. Imaginality is a concern since he is essentially ignored.

I don't think I've seen Amrun scum before but in an Open Game I remember pushing a case that she was on literally every wagon D1 with >3 people and turned out town. So here she is again on almost every wagon. Leaning town.

Vote: Crazy
Vote: DGB

- One of these is scum.

DGB flips town.....

Vote: Tar
Vote: Quil

Does not compute. Emp's posts have usually consisted of a vague one-liner accompanied by frequent vote movements. This is extremely scummy.


Anyway I read up to 52 and any content today. Will get to the rest later.

Cliff's notes: Quilford and Empking are my top 2 reads at the moment.

[Empking]

SWeriously, may I ask why I'm not allowed to change my mind based on new evidence?

DGB was trying to get lynched (she's just mass-replaced). That means her analysis (which was where I was basing my Crazy read) is useless because it was designed to get her lynched.

[Crazy]

Since I think I'm the only one that hasn't claimed yet, I'm also a VT.

I'll look into other stuff later.

[Amrun]

SWeriously, may I ask why I'm not allowed to change my mind based on new evidence?

DGB was trying to get lynched (she's just mass-replaced). That means her analysis (which was where I was basing my Crazy read) is useless because it was designed to get her lynched.

That is bullshit. DGB's analysis was excellent. She was playing her heart out.

I can't believe you guys lynched her, seriously. Obv fucking town.


Scott Brosius is town, but needs to read in context; he has some good onservations but they don't jive together.

The scum still definitely lies in 2-3 of Empking, tar, and imaginality.

Where are tar and imaginality?

[Empking]

SWeriously, may I ask why I'm not allowed to change my mind based on new evidence?

DGB was trying to get lynched (she's just mass-replaced). That means her analysis (which was where I was basing my Crazy read) is useless because it was designed to get her lynched.

That is bullshit. DGB's analysis was excellent. She was playing her heart out.

I wish I could agree but that's simply not true.

[petroleumjelly]

Day Five Vote Count #2

Not Voting – 7 – Amrun, Crazy, Empking, imaginality, Quilford, Scott Brosius, Tarhalindur

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to lynch. Deadline is August 24 at 6:00 PM PDT.

[Empking]

Vote: Tar

[Quilford]

SWeriously, may I ask why I'm not allowed to change my mind based on new evidence?

DGB was trying to get lynched (she's just mass-replaced). That means her analysis (which was where I was basing my Crazy read) is useless because it was designed to get her lynched.

Are you kidding me.

I'm 99.99% sure that DGB mass replaced BECAUSE I lynched her. You're BSing to explain how you are horrifically inconsistent with your reads.

VOTE: Empking

[Quilford]

As for Quilford's VCA, it's pretty laughable given that every single wagon my slot has been on.....SO HAS HIS SLOT. Again I wasn't in the game so I have no idea what the reasoning is. But I can easily take those 4 lynches, put your name in red and same the exact same thing. You weren't on the mafia lynch. You were on every other lynch.

No, you can't. Your slot's positioning and reasoning for being on the wagon is imperative to my scum read.

Also

The remaining scum was bussing kunk - ie one of Amrun, imaginality and Empking.

How are you so confident there are only 2 scum left? Why couldn't this be LYLO with 3 scum left? Seems like a slip.

looooooool


VOTE: Scott Brosius
The rest of his analysis is also terribly stupid

[Empking]

SWeriously, may I ask why I'm not allowed to change my mind based on new evidence?

DGB was trying to get lynched (she's just mass-replaced). That means her analysis (which was where I was basing my Crazy read) is useless because it was designed to get her lynched.

Are you kidding me.

I'm 99.99% sure that DGB mass replaced BECAUSE I lynched her

That's nonsense. You must think highly of yourself.

If my sources were true then DGB mass-replaced so Invictus would be her last game in order to end on a high.

[imaginality]

With everyone claiming VT, I don't see any way this is lylo. Not enough town power for 11:4 (after the nightstart) to be balanced.

Vote: Scott Brosius

His post this page isn't bad, but my earlier points about smalls still outweigh it.

@Scott: any reason you left Quilford out of your list of kunkstar's reads?

Vote: Quilford

Dismissing 'the rest of Scott's analysis' as 'laughable' is poor. Seems like he cherry-picked the worst points. Quilford, comment on these please:

kunkstar flip was utterly predictable; I meant to put my vote on him yesterday but instead put it on you (make of that what you will, Amrun )

Say I found him scummy and didn't vote and you come up with this gem? Especially when you had literally made no mention of kunk that day.

so don't think smalls is mafia guys
Empking / DGB are the better lynches for now

This was 1155. My slot's last post was 1135. So all of a sudden I'm scum now even though no content was provided after this read?

At the moment, I wouldn't be surprised if the two of them are scumbuddies distancing from each other. Certainly, it doesn't feel town on town.

I isoed Amrun and on balance I'm leaning town on her, but think she's wrong about Tarhalindur.

@Amrun: summarise your case on Tar please. Three best reasons to find him scummy.

@Tarhalindur: one of your reasons for suspecting Crazy is your theory kunkstar was distancing from Crazy and/or DGB. Does kunkstar have a meta of distancing as scum? Or you just feel his play this game suggests that?

Re. Empking on DGB, I agree with Amrun that DGB wasn't deliberately trying to get lynched in this game, going by her post in [redacted]. And if she wanted Invictus to be her last game wouldn't she have replaced out here before she got lynched? This is her last game now.

[Empking]

Are we not only using one of our votes?

Vote: Quilford

[Scott Brosius]

Wasn't intentional, I listed people as kunk mentioned them. As I go back there is literally no reference to Ameila or Quil. Completely ignoring that slot.

Quil: Please continue flailing and calling my case "stupid" while not providing any reasons why. It makes my read that much stronger.

Will read up on the rest, going to be busy though so I will do my best.

Vote: Quilford

[Tarhalindur]

First thoughts now that massclaim is done:

- Not surprised by lack of power claims, PJ is pretty much the exemplar of the power-light school of modding. That also pretty much confirms that we're dealing with two surviving scum rather than three, PJ likes to keep his scumgroups small (balance reasons). Players who claimed late and players who know PJ mod meta well are particularly suspect (the way Amrun claimed looks REALLY bad to me).
- Trying to figure out who can and can't be scum with each other. Current thoughts:
: Snails, and by extension Scott, still read town to me.
: imaginality doesn't make sense in any scumgroup except MAYBE with Crazy. Best point against him is that scum were killing the strongest players early on (Ran is a clear anomaly based on being a Mason) and he's still alive.
: Emp helped derail the Crazy wagon D1 and IIRC they've been on relatively similar wavelengths since. I nailed two scum for that in Invictus. I'll reread once I'm somewhat more awake (low on sleep) to double-check.
: Likewise, Amrun and Quil read on similar wavelengths.
: I have difficulty seeing Crazy as scum with anyone except Empking given what I've seen of interactions. No way in hell is he scum with Quilford, and while Crazy/Amrun is possible I have my doubts. (Crazy/imaginality isn't out of the question, but I don't see the same "on the same wavelength" I see between him and Empking.)
: Quil stayed the hell of kunk D3, Amrun was on kunk early but never posted after that. Crazy pushed Ran at the end of D2, which is a godawful reaction. Emp voted kunk late with no stated reasoning. Bah, I can't figure out which reactions are scum here at all.

Godsdammit I need some sleep.

Leaning towards forcing a decision between Empking and myself today, I REALLY don't want to have to try to read Empking in LyLo.

Oh, and while I'm here:

V/LA until Wednesday (should have access, but not taking any chances).

Vote: Empking
Vote: Crazy

Will answer questions later.

[Amrun]

Quil and Empking are both wrong. DGB didn't quit because of this game and neither Invictus nor this game will be her last. (Planet of Hats will.)

Her analysis was genuine and very good and Empking's attempt to discredit it is scummy.

Also, scott brosius, your case on quil really is kind of stupid. (So is his case on you, for the record.)

VOTE: Empking
VOTE: Tar

Tar, I claimed near last because most people think I am town and that is how popcorn claims work. Try harder next time.

[petroleumjelly]

Day Five Vote Count #3

3 Empking (Quilford, Tarhalindur, Amrun)
3 Quilford (imaginality, Empking, Scott Brosius)
2 Scott Brosius (Quilford, imaginality)
2 Tarhalindur (Empking, Amrun)
1 Crazy (Tarhalindur)

Not Voting – 1 – Crazy

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to lynch. Deadline is August 24 at 6:00 PM PDT.

[Crazy]

======[]

VOTE: Quilford

I'm going to take this opportunity in case anybody decides to change their minds. Because I don't see myself ever changing my mind about Quilford being scum.

My reasons, which I've explained before:

1. His interactions with Kunkstar, including...
-Kunkstar never mentioning him or Ameliaslay at all.
-Quilford trying to give Kunkstar an out with his "post restriction" comment.
-Saying that Kunkstar's scum-flip was "utterly predictable," even though he never voted Kunkstar

2. His overall lazy and nonproductive attitude.

3. His horrible DGB hammer, which had horrible reasoning, and came from nowhere, without accordance from his previous reads up to that point.

4. His contradiction in Post #1288, in which he stated his read on Empking was floundering but then repeated that "Empking needs to die."

[Amrun]

:/

I am not happy with this at all.

I hope I was wrong about Quilford, I guess... And I really hope this isn't lylo.

[petroleumjelly]

Day Five Vote Count #4

4 Quilford (imaginality, Empking, Scott Brosius, Crazy)
3 Empking (Quilford, Tarhalindur, Amrun)
2 Scott Brosius (Quilford, imaginality)
2 Tarhalindur (Empking, Amrun)
1 Crazy (Tarhalindur)

Not Voting – 0 – Nobody

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to lynch. Deadline is August 24 at 6:00 PM PDT.

[petroleumjelly]

Quilford, Townie, has been lynched!

It is now

Night Six

. Deadline for night choices is August 13 at 9:00 PM PDT.

[petroleumjelly]

Scott Brosius, Townie, has been killed!

It is now

Day Six

. With

5

alive, it takes

3

to lynch. Deadline is August 27 at 5:00 PM PDT.

[Empking]

I'm planning on voting Crazy. Any problems?

[Amrun]

Yes. Crazy isn't scum.

I'm planning on voting empking and/or tar. Any problems?