Political Corruption Mafia - GAME OVER

[Iecerint]

He claimed that his flavor calls his commute ability a jailer. This kind of makes sense given that he's now claimed Police Chief. Probably more sense than his Secretary of the Interior claim.

I agree that not claiming survivor is questionable, and he should probably be lynched today, but that part is OK.

[Phillammon]

Fraid not on the crumb front because I didn't plan on revealing it at all, and I was afraid of a burning bakery, so to speak. I thought KJ caught my first crumb, actually, given he appeared to respond with a crumb of his own, hence my firm townread on him. The POV is best displayed through my arguing yesterday, specifically the "don't like dying as anything" bit.

As for not lynching nacho, I have no problem with a nacho lynch, I just didn't want to have a lynch happen before I got off the true claim, given the lynch appears to be mostly for information, and some of the stuff that was out there wasn't true.

Oh God, please lynch it with fire.

- Why would he crumb jailer, but not survivor?
- He claims I responded to his crumb, post #46, with a supposed crumb of my own, post #41, which is notably earlier.
- "I don't wanna die" is supposed to be an exclusively Survivor POV?
- He's trying to suggest one of two things with his opinion of the Nacho lynch. In the first he thinks Nacho is a good lynch for the sake of being scummy, but since he's stressing the importance of getting his claim out we can clearly see he doesn't expect the game to end with a Nacho lynch. So this cannot be the case. In the second he thinks Nacho is a good lynch for the sake of being revealing in regards to information, but since he's stressing that the information simply isn't true we can clearly see he doesn't expect to learn a lot.

1) As I have said, a vast majority of people seem to think that survivors should be lynched as early as possible from what little experience I have of them, and with one crumb already caught, as far as I could tell, I wasn't willing to risk it.
2) Sorry, I hadn't gone back to check. Explain #49, which WAS a response to it.
3) No, good point, but I haven't actually rolled up survivor before. I honestly don't know what mindset I should be using, hence going for townie who doesn't want to be lynched.
4) Yes, I'm unconvinced that a Nacho lynch will end the game. I also don't think that many of you were seriously considering a nacho lynch over a phil lynch, which would have ended the game from my perspective. The revealing in regards to information was not a worry with the nacho lynch, but a worry that when I died not only would I lose, but town would have one piece of incorrect information, in addition to the worry between my previous claim of PF and ADs ability.

[killerjester]

What about #49 looks like a crumb to you?

[ActionDan]

question:

After two scum had flipped, why did you shoot MOI of all people if you wanted to win with town?

[ActionDan]

tbh if he's telling the truth as being a survivor I'm just going to kindly ask the last scum to come forward and claim. You're 100% doomed, so if you claim now we could lynch you letting Phil win with town.

Otherwise Phil is lynched today and you will be soon to follow since half the game is clear.

[Phillammon]

What about #49 looks like a crumb to you?

It doesnt, I got confused between 49 and 41. 41 looked to me like you crumbing multivoter and possibly president, and 49 looked like you catching my crumb.

MOA looked like the bestshot at scum to me, especially given his push on conftown umbrage. Also, most people are cleared, yes, but could you win in a way that doesn't make me lose?

[havingfitz]

Wanna share what your current thoughts are then - maybe they're brilliant and we should all see them.

Philla's reasoning makes less and less sense. Umbrage was not conftown. Moi wasn't the best shot for someone aligned with towm IMO and that stills leaves us missing a kill that night...unless scum and Philla both targetted MOI. Or scum was blocked which I have no reason to believe.

VOTE: Phillamon

[Thor665]

@Phil - who do you think is the scum that is left?

[RedCoyote]

Phil, why wouldn't you be voting Nacho right now? You keep talking about it, why not do it?

[Phillammon]

@Phil - who do you think is the scum that is left?

I honestly don't know. My first guesses would have been johog and AD, but AD my read on AD appears to be way off and Johog is dead now, so I need to reformulate. YYR, Nacho and possibly KJ have to have scum in them by POI, therefore.

Phil, why wouldn't you be voting Nacho right now? You keep talking about it, why not do it?

Coyote, reread what I said. Not having anything against a lynch != wanting the lynch.

[Thor665]

@Phil - wanna get out some reads and prove you're worth town bringing along in any way at all?

[Phillammon]

Thor665 is town
havingfitz is scummy. The protect on Umbrage was suspect, especially if the unlynchable forever clause comes into it.
Phillammmon isn't town, but yeah
Iecerint is town
RedCoyote is scummy. That shady role, in particular.
Lady Lambdadelta is town
killerjester is iffy.
Nachomamma8 is iffy, and POE makes him apparently today's best lynch
ActionDan has an iffy role, but the shots are townish.
ProsecutorGodot is town
YYR is iffy, and is still someone I suspect highly.

[Nachomamma8]

If Phil is telling the truth, then there's one scum left and other third parties are probably not possible. So KJ, Godot, Thor, Dan, RC are all confirmed town in obvious ways. Iecerint is probably town because his fakeclaim is weird as fuck from a scum standpoint, LLD is confirmed town because the inventions have pretty much royally fucked over everything for the scumteam, havingfitz is confirmed town because having a one-shot governor to stop the rapetrain of scum secret-doublevoter + survivor combo is the LEAST Amrun can do for us, which leaves YYR and I as the last remaining possible scumbags, and for YYR to be a scumbag, it would require scum not getting a successful kill in until N4, which is a bit ridiculous.

meaning that if we wanted to do the "let's be nice to phil" dance, we'd lynch me, then YYR, then Phil if the game wasn't over which would lead to 5-1 (worst case) scenario, which is a lot less cushy than the situation we are in now, but doable. If we lynch him now and he flips scum, then we know that a few of the jails don't equal confirmed town. If we lynch him now and he flips survivor, we know the game is won because scum is forced to be in (me/YYR). I'd rather lynch him today because I've already used a survivor claim as scum before and tried to play the "please don't make me lose for no reason" card, so I think this is probably best.

Vote: Phillammon

If you do decide to lynch me first, lynch Phil next and remember this post.

[Thor665]

for YYR to be a scumbag, it would require scum not getting a successful kill in until N4, which is a bit ridiculous.

How so?

[havingfitz]

Philla...where are you getting an "unlynchable forever clause" from? I explained what my govern did for Umbrage. It only protected him from being lynched the remainder of the same day in which I saved him.

[havingfitz]

Otherwise I agree with Philla's comments in his last post.

[Nachomamma8]

for YYR to be a scumbag, it would require scum not getting a successful kill in until N4, which is a bit ridiculous.

How so?

Nobody Special wasn't a successful kill.
N2, Magna (Phil) and Umbrage (Dan) were killed.
N3, no one was killed.

[YYR]

VOTE: Phillamon

[havingfitz]

for YYR to be a scumbag, it would require scum not getting a successful kill in until N4, which is a bit ridiculous.

How so?

Nobody Special wasn't a successful kill.
N2, Magna (Phil) and Umbrage (Dan) were killed.
N3, no one was killed.

How does anything in your quote relate to YRR's alignment??

[killerjester]

Anyone want to hammer scum? He's L-1.

[ActionDan]

LLD is actually clear for a different reason other than role thinking about it.

The night of the no-kill only YYR was roleblocked while LLD was docced. assuming scum tried to get in a kill, that either means YYR killed and failed or else LLD was targetted, either way she can't be scum.

Similarly, Johnhog was roleblocked successfully which means YYR isn't scum since Phil commuted him. KJ and PG isn't scum since the kill on Yos went off. Thor isn't scum sincce the GF died.

Unless you guys really think I'm crazy enough to kill Umbrage I'm not mafia, and if Phil is third party... I'm just not.

Let me make a list:

Phil - survivor
Nacho - not confirmed
Fitz - only scum if he lied about Umbrage being unlynchable the day he governed Umbrage
YYR - pretty much confirmed town
PG - pretty much confirmed town
Ice - really doubt it but technically not confirmed, also by this point Ice would have claimed scum so we could all lynch RC and then everyone wins (except possibly his teammates but he couldn't know about them anyway for balance so fuck them)!
RC - pretty much confirmed town due to balance issues
ActionDan - confirmed town (and I mean not that I know I'm town, but it's proven independently)
LLD - confirmed town
KJ - confirmed town
Thor - confirmed town

This is the list if Phil is telling the truth. Nacho almost has to be the last Scum if true... and he probably would have given up and let phil have a win.

So basically Phil is the best lynch by this point. No past or projected night actions need to be claimed for now, so I'm hammering

VOTE: Phil

[ActionDan]

Also I do believe the lynch order should be Nacho --> Fitz.

(Unless I kill one of them tonight)

[ActionDan]

(if Phil actually flips survivor, otherwise YYR and PG are still suspect)

[Nachomamma8]

NO FITZ LYNCH ESPECIALLY IF PHIL FLIPS TOWN
ESPECIALLY

[Nachomamma8]

survivor*