ZOMBIES! - Zombies take over for the win!!!

[Starbuck]

ODDin has been pretty good at defending ABR and evil.

[SlySly]

I have already stated 3 suspects. I think right now it is most important to focus on Pie. What do you think of Pie's tunneling on manho, ABR?

No, you haven't. I assume, in the right order, Pie, then evilsnail, then ODDin, then me?

Ok, mastermind, interpret this for me.

Unvote, vote:Evil

I'm also willing to lynch Pie or iLord.

Unvote, vote:Pie_is_ZL

[SlySly]

bv, nice to see you still active lurking. i saw you logged into the thread but see you didn't bother to post. just noting.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Right...iLord...you didn't explain that one at all.

[SlySly]

I'll get to it in due time, now what do you think of Pie's tunneling on manho? Hindsight is 20/20. I could see the scummy pushing clearly while reading through with the knowledge I had that manho, McG, Yos and kmd had all flipped town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well what do you think of me being accused of tunneling on Reckoner? We could do this all day. All day. My perspective is opposite to yours, because Pie has pretty much been doing the same things as I have, from what you're saying anyway.

[SlySly]

You have been tunneled on Reck all game. If he ultimately flips town, the suspicion level on you will increase dramatically, in my mind.

Pie was tunneling and pushing on a now confirmed townie.

[Pie_is_good]

I think Slysly might be confusing "tunneling" and "having an opinion." I iso'd ABR, and he bitchfights with Reck constantly but certainly isn't tunneling - several times he expresses willingness to vote elsewhere.

Also, the fact that he thinks Reck's ultimate alignment reflects on ABR is a bit ridiculous. Has anyone played with SlySly before? I'm not sold on his competence, so I'm unsure whether or not to interpret him being wrong as him being scummy.

[SlySly]

I'm just imagining things.

Manho's posts came off as forced, bv's not so much.

...

I can be a bit more solid in my case against manho if you'd like, but I wasn't planning on spending the time on that until someone else expressed interest in stringing him up.

But my offer stands: I'm happy to temporarily put this aside if you want to lynch manho with me.

That said, I had 3 different people I'd be willing to lynch, and I'm not about to wagon Yos just because he was the first one to show up and answer my questions. I'll

Unvote: Cooldog, Vote: manho

, because I think the four of us (me, elvis, Yos, iLord) all expressed willingness to wagon there.

Why isn't manho dead yet?

Then vote manho. All the cool kids are doing it.

Does it matter yet? Vote manho with us, Yos! It will get you ladies.

iLord: But you don't think bv voters would be equally happy with a manho lynch? Porque?

Sure. Well, manho's at lynch-minus-three. At this point, I think we're waiting for a claim.

manho, you need to roleclaim in your next post.

is manho dead yet?

[xRECKONERx]

Not sure what a GD is but I would like to go on record thinking Reck is hilarious.

Well, at leas there's

that

. "Hey I lost because of failtown but at least I'm funny!". Blegh.

In any case, I'm thrilled I'm not dead yet. People have some common fucking sense, apparently. SlySly just raised a few eyebrows with me, in a good way. I'm getting a pro-town vibe from him, even if I think he needs to drop the whole "EVILSNAIL MEANT D1 LOL" or whatever shit is being thrown around.

EVIL CAN YOU PLEASE CONFIRM THIS SO WE CAN DROP IT:
Does your role tell you where the person went the night before? As in, whoever you investigate tonight, you'll find out where they went N2?

[Pie_is_good]

SlySly: In the first 3 posts you quoted, you cherrypicked the one part of the post that referenced manho, while the rest of it was me attacking Yos. The 3rd one is especially comical, because that post is the exact OPPOSITE of tunneling - having multiple people you're willing to lynch. You're not imagining things so much as you just don't understand the terms you're throwing around, and would have a damn hard time showing why they constitute scumminess in the way you're using them.

[SlySly]

SlySly: In the first 3 posts you quoted, you cherrypicked the one part of the post that referenced manho, while the rest of it was me attacking Yos. The 3rd one is especially comical, because that post is the exact OPPOSITE of tunneling - having multiple people you're willing to lynch. You're not imagining things so much as you just don't understand the terms you're throwing around, and would have a damn hard time showing why they constitute scumminess in the way you're using them.

Notice, I cherry pick my quotes too. There is no need posting the irrelevant shit.

Pie was tunneling and pushing on a now confirmed townie.

I said tunneling and pushing.

[Pie_is_good]

It's not "irrelevant" when it's the exact reason I'm not tunneling. You clearly read the post in its entirety but chose to ignore the parts that didn't fit with your little theory.

And sure, I'll plead guilty to pushing for manho's lynch. So?

[SlySly]

I'm willing to back off of the tunneling a bit, but only a little. Looking back over it, it was only slight tunneling and more extreme pushing. But it wasn't free of tunneling.

However...

manho was town. You pushed hard to lynch him. The hammer pic alone shows how committed you were to lynching manho. You have tried to rolefish, which is the scummiest thing you can do in a cult game. Your predecessor was extremely scummy and unhelpful. You have tried to put words into my mouth(remember where you tried to say I said Evils was ZL and I told you to quote me on that and you were unable to). You defend liars and scummy players.

You need to be lynched.

[Pie_is_good]

I can't defend my predecessor, of course. But:
-Yes, I thought manho was the best lynch as of yesterday. Still not seeing how this is scummy, or how him flipping town has anything to do with anything.
-You still haven't answered my question about where you think I was rolefishing.
-I already addressed the "words in your mouth" issue (and you didn't ask for a direct quote, for the record). Because it's Really Stupid to lynch recruits, I interpreted your vote on ES as a Zombie Lord accusation. It's since become clear to me that you just didn't (don't?) really understand the "it's Really Stupid to lynch recruits" concept, so I realize now that you didn't think ES was a Zombie Lord.
-I don't recall actively defending

anyone

this game. When have I "defend[ed] liars and scummy players?"

[xRECKONERx]

Sly vs. Pie screams hot town on town action to me.

[SlySly]

I'm getting a pro-town vibe from him, even if I think he needs to drop the whole "EVILSNAIL MEANT D1 LOL" or whatever shit is being thrown around.

Reck, the whole "EVILSNAIL MEANT D1 LOL" thing, is the convincing factor for me that Evils is lying. Are you trying to tell me that I should believe Evils missed Oddin's "yesterday"?

[SlySly]

-I already addressed the "words in your mouth" issue (

and you didn't ask for a direct quote

, for the record).

Now, for the record, you are a liar too.

Can you please quote where I specifically said Evil was a Zombie Lord?

Have you read the entire thread yet? I remember you saying you weren't going to when you replaced in.

[SlySly]

-You still haven't answered my question about where you think I was rolefishing.

Which further implies that we have at least one vig on our team, with likely even more killing roles (SK, maybe?) out there somewhere. I expect all of you to be killing, every night.

I'm saying that the cult is probably growing by 1 member/night (as cults do) and so we should be viggin' to try and keep up with them. Plus it's always good strategy for the vig to kill every night, although most people don't realize that.

And we

are

under a week's deadline, so I'd like to force some claims sooner rather than later.

Anyways, manho, if you decide to show up it might be nice for you to defend yourself and/or claim. Preferably the latter.

I suppose all I can do right now is wait for more to come around to the manho wagon and get a claim and proceed from there.

Sure. Well, manho's at lynch-minus-three. At this point, I think we're waiting for a claim.

manho, you need to roleclaim in your next post.

Also, I will be the first to admit that I tend to push for claims earlier than most people are comfortable with.

Perhaps a vig, if present, should do so?

[SlySly]

Have you read the entire thread yet? I remember you saying you weren't going to when you replaced in.

-It would be just super if one of you could recap the thread for me, especially who's claimed what, etc. I may read a little of it,

but I typically find day 1's uninformative

and 38 pages is quite a bit.

More laughable material there!!

[SlySly]

-I don't recall actively defending

anyone

this game. When have I "defend[ed] liars and scummy players?"

I will back off of this 100%. I totally was thinking that some of Oddin's actions were yours. My mistake.

However, I did forget to point out that you were also bloodthirsty for Yos. Another confirmed townie.

[ODDin]

I still don't see how evil is lying, but this isn't going anywhere.

Starbuck: where have I defended ABR? I remember attacking him, I don't really remember defending him.

sly accusing pie of tunneling is ridiculous. Pushing hard for lynching somebody isn't tunneling in itself. Pie most certainly didn't tunnel, and in fact I believe he was the one to originally bring up the case against yos.
This isn't a town-tell, considering yos was town, but it isn't a scum-tell either.

Anyways,

as you can see in my sig I'm V/LA beginning as of tomorrow and until April 3rd

, so this here is my last post before the V/LA.
After considering the pros and cons I think I like ABR's original idea of waiting till tomorrow and deciding then.

Since in theory we should have enough time till the deadline from when I return, I won't be voting anyone at the moment.

Have fun here without me.

[Pie_is_good]

I don't see how any of those posts are "rolefishing" except possibly the last one, where I asked a vig, if present, to account for a nightkill (I still think this is a good idea). The rest of them were either talking in general about the idea of claiming or asking manho specifically for a claim, the first of which is not rolefishing and the second of which is not controversial. It would help if you at least explained what it is about wanting manho to claim that you found scummy.

Also, yes, I have read the whole thread (although 7 or so of my posts were mid-reread). My general policy on replacing in is that I have someone recap the game for me, but nobody did when I asked for one. I can't tell if you find this scummy or you're just sayin'.

Anyways, it feels to me like SlySly's attack is getting silly and poorly thought out. I hardly have the authority to call my own "wagon" a distraction, but it feels like exactly that. Rest of the town: would you like to see this Pie/Sly conversation thread continued, or can we get back to Reck/ES? I'm more than happy to keep taking questions if that's what y'all want, but we are under deadline all so I'd like to keep this thing rolling.

[animorpherv1]

CMAR (1) animorpherv1, Pie_is_good

MOD: fix?

Also, Sly vs. PIG = town vs. town.

[SlySly]

Rest of the town: would you like to see this Pie/Sly conversation thread continued, or can we get back to Reck/ES?

Lol, contradict much? Reck/ES is a closed issue for you, remember?

I'm on board with ABR's plan of lynching neither.

Vote: CMAR.

Also willing to vote CoolDog if anyone is up for that.

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I'm more than happy to keep taking questions if that's what y'all want, but we are under deadline all so I'd like to keep this thing rolling.

Unless I am mistaken, the deadline is 9 days away.