Kingmaker II-Game Over

[pablito]

I disagree with Dead Rikimaru's analysis of me except on the following points:

D1
- agrees with the loe and with all power to the king 89

I said I could live with the LoE, but I'd support even more the king taking unilateral control (look, I did that too later during D2 with Glork...ooooh, consistency!)

- prefers yosarian dead over pooky 1088

In 1088 it's only

no, vote: Pooky instead.

Otherwise it's a very comprehensive list, and it shows that I did a lot of things before they even came to be fashionable.

Which of course, sorry to say, I like Shanba's post because it appears that he went through a really good thought process and came up with things independently, but I can't help but think we have a subconscious proxier here in our hands. The process looks real, but the ends of that process look suspicious. I find it very convenient that Shanba came up with votes on MoS, SV and RafK at the end.

Especially that RafK vote. Basically it was, I didn't like Mert but suddenly RafK pops up. I still maintain that Mert was opportunistic and thinking like scum, so suddenly when RafK gets provoked and starts speaking, only then do people start suspecting that role.

[Shanba]

Good posting shanba.

Did you miss this:

Player analysis

Who was against both lynches
LL,SV, MBL, CTD, Yos (for thinking Pooky was neutral)

Who was against both lynches, but thought pooky was townier (wanted Yos)
CTD, LL

Who wanted Pooky
Zindaras, Scope, Pablito

Who wanted Yos
DR, Mos (wanted either but prefers Yos), lowell

Who changed their mind halfway:
Glork: said he was not THAT sure Yos was scum in post 1009, then attacked Yos.
PJ: asked Pooky to hurry up with analysis, then said Pooky was neutral, but he wasn't getting a good read off his posts.
Zindaras: jokes that pooky was nutkicked, says he's disappointed by a Pooky execution, says Pooky is not a good execution.
pablito: suggests stay of execution of Pooky, then says he would execute Pooky.

Quoting the whole post just in case you missed it. The important bit is at the front. There were 5 people who disagreed with both lynches (ie: playing both sides.) Is there a particular reason you decided to single me out?

Yes, there was. I felt that at times you were agreeing with one side then agreeing with the other. Most of the others just disagreed with both, whereas you I felt were consciously worsening the split. Also, looking at that list, one's dead, two I think are likely innocent, one's you and the other's Luckayluck who was saying that everyone is good and that's why he disagreed. Also, having read other games of his, it's pretty clear that that's his normal playstyle (if not normally exaggerated to such a degree.

As for agreeing with everyone, well... I think they're right. I have other minor suspicions but I didn't think it was worth talking about them as they were mostly gut. I dunno, maybe that's wrong, but I don't want to get caught up defending accusations that I know to myself to be weak.

And the RafK vote? If you think he isn't being scummy, why do you think so? Sometimes it's important to be a sheep. After all, if everyone was pursuing 20 different leads noone we wouldn't really get anywhere.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Y'all need to learn the difference between a defeatist attitude and someone who expects to die but still makes an effort to contribute anyways.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Still here. Dead should hammer someone.

[olio]

olio would also make a good kill target

Why?

Also, although I couldn't see the case on Mert, I can very easily see the case on RafK as his attack on Yos2 was complete rubbish and his subsequent switch to Svoid felt like a scum trying to find a target that would stick. This applies to a lesser extent to Olio too.

Elaborate, elaborate! Whee!

[Shanba]

Also, although I couldn't see the case on Mert, I can very easily see the case on RafK as his attack on Yos2 was complete rubbish and his subsequent switch to Svoid felt like a scum trying to find a target that would stick. This applies to a lesser extent to Olio too.

Elaborate, elaborate! Whee!

I'm not sure what there is to elaborate: RafK attacked Yos2 for a crap reason and you followed him. I found that scummy.

[spectrumvoid]

Was the Rafk vote bit addressed to me?

I stated somewhere in a recent post that I didn't think Rafk was scummy for misrepresentating what I said, but

I'm pretty sure nowhere did I say I want either a Yos or Pooky lynch. If you look at the king's summary, I defended Yos yesterday because I thought Glork's reasons sucked (he didn't have any). I defended Pooky too saying he was away in other games, hence his inactivity here, and that he had contributed when he returned. That wasn't playing off both sides. Note: That LL bit is meta-gaming, which is unreliable precisely because he could have deliberately did that to make you think this way.


I think our discussion is becoming repetitive.
Dear king, wherefore art thou LOS?

[spectrumvoid]

Edit to 2nd line:
I stated somewhere in a recent post that I didn't think Rafk was scummy for misrepresentating what I said, but I thought it was a mistake due to viewing posts in isolation.

[mnowax]

whos up for rolling the dice?

[Dead Rikimaru]

I was here yesterday as promised and after posting on my other game I was catching up here, but suddenly the browser refused to open this site so I went to sleep.
Finishing reading now.

[Yosarian2]

Y'all need to learn the difference between a defeatist attitude and someone who expects to die but still makes an effort to contribute anyways.

...which one are you supposed to be?

[Glork]

He's claiming to be the latter.

[Fritzler]

olio would also make a good kill target

Why?

Also, although I couldn't see the case on Mert, I can very easily see the case on RafK as his attack on Yos2 was complete rubbish and his subsequent switch to Svoid felt like a scum trying to find a target that would stick. This applies to a lesser extent to Olio too.

Elaborate, elaborate! Whee!

fos: olio

[petroleumjelly]

Shanba's entrance post looks fairly legit, though I do want to ask:

- Can you compare/contrast your thoughts on RafK and SV? Particularly, how much do you agree with RafK's posts on SV - and if you think SV is scum based mainly on those posts, do you think RafK is thereby bussing her?

[RafK]

I didn't suddenly go for spectrumvoid. I started off attacking SV, the Yosarian thing popped up in the middle, then I continued the case against SV.

It's completely wrong to say that I attacked SV as a distraction from the Yosarian case.

[pablito]

So really, Dead Rikimaru goes through the trouble of making and posting all those comments and you guys (not all of you, but there's a lot) can't be bothered to look or comment on what he's said?

Seriously, if you're going to comment on his inactivity or lack of hammer, then at least do something with what he's given you. Dead Rikimaru may be lagging, but he's hardly unpassionate.

It'll help him make his decision quicker if you can process and discuss in the same manner as how he would like to proceed.

[olio]

olio would also make a good kill target

Why?

Also, although I couldn't see the case on Mert, I can very easily see the case on RafK as his attack on Yos2 was complete rubbish and his subsequent switch to Svoid felt like a scum trying to find a target that would stick. This applies to a lesser extent to Olio too.

Elaborate, elaborate! Whee!

fos: olio

Boo! Boo! Elaborate, elaborate!

[spectrumvoid]

So really, Dead Rikimaru goes through the trouble of making and posting all those comments and you guys (not all of you, but there's a lot) can't be bothered to look or comment on what he's said?

Seriously, if you're going to comment on his inactivity or lack of hammer, then at least do something with what he's given you. Dead Rikimaru may be lagging, but he's hardly unpassionate.

It'll help him make his decision quicker if you can process and discuss in the same manner as how he would like to proceed.

I disagree slightly here. What the king has done is merely summarise each player's posts in isolation. If I do it 'in the same manner', there'll be nothing that's different, because he's merely presented us with a summary.

[Fritzler]

I refuse to post until d4 of the game. Thanks.

It's been a month and a half. Tell me when its D4.
Look at me all Ghandi and not violent.

It blows.

[Toaster Strudel]

I echo Fritzler's sentiment, Gandhi and all.

SV is right, I don't think what the king has done is particularly useful.

It's time the king takes some decisive action.

[Lowell]

whos up for rolling the dice?

Me.

That or a violent revolution to get someone more useful in power.

[RafK]

So really, Dead Rikimaru goes through the trouble of making and posting all those comments and you guys (not all of you, but there's a lot) can't be bothered to look or comment on what he's said?

Seriously, if you're going to comment on his inactivity or lack of hammer, then at least do something with what he's given you. Dead Rikimaru may be lagging, but he's hardly unpassionate.

It'll help him make his decision quicker if you can process and discuss in the same manner as how he would like to proceed.

Suck-up.

Also, Riki's summary was only of the first two days and is substantially factual rather than presenting any kind of conclusion or argument, which doesn't exactly make it an ideal vehicle for an argument (not that many people apparently have the will left for a serious argument).

I think we need a List of Execution at the very least here, along with Riki's reasoning behind same.

[pablito]

bah, I'll join the crowd. After realizing that the game started in september, I think we ought to move somewhere. At least I tried to respect the king's wishes before I got fed up.

[spectrumvoid]

Nice quick change of attitude there, after Rafk, TS and me pointed out your mistakes... scummy...

[pablito]

Well really, I can't imagine many reasons why the kingmaker chose Dead Rikimaru...

But I'm sure if the kingmaker wanted a specific result, I'm sure I know why.