Mafia 88- Return to New Catania- Game Over!

[SensFan]

Vote: Hoopla

for his No Lynch vote, and defense of it.

Read through page 1.

[SensFan]

Unvote, Vote: BM

. As Yos said, the vote itself isn't a scum-tell anymore, but you seem to be saying it was a good play to make, which is wrong if Hoopla is Town. I don't like how you defend it, or how drastically you are undermining the "random" stage.

Read through page 2.

[SensFan]

I disagree with the strawman argument that GC disproved his own case. He did not say that a no-lynch vote would

not

generate discussion, in fact, he said it

would

.

What his point is as I read it, is that Hoopla made a move that revealed no alignment information.
That point is correct.

He says a no lynch vote is useless if nobody reacts to it (which you also reference later in your post). This does disarm his argument, as he does respond, and so do several other players. A random vote is also useless if nobody reacts to it.

The bolded point you can use on any of the first page random votes. If you disagree, link me to a game where a random vote does reveal alignment information.

Just plain wrong. The supposed "random" stage catches more than 75% of the Scum I catch.

1: Hoopla - for using what apparently has become a rather common method of starting a game, and then voting for the player that began chasing after it,

when the ploy fails entirely if everyone ignores it

. Additional suspicion for creating the false statement that GC was contradicting himself.

If the 'ploy' fails, then it's just one wasted post. I've never seen a game where a no lynch vote has been ignored - please show me one. My retaliation further validated the purpose for my no lynch vote.

Again, wrong. You made a post that hid your alignment, while letting you jump on anyone that either agreed with you OR disagreed with you, really.

Unvote, Vote: Hoopla. IGMEOY BM

Read through page 3, taking a break.

[Sobeahero]

To Farside, Yeah, there are definately others. Der Hammer was just the one that caught my eye is all.

That, and if you didn't notice, my focus tends to stay on one person at a time. If not taken care of by someone else, here soon I am likely to start jumping on more people that fit in to a similar Category as the Hammer of Der.

And as for people who just did a random vote and nothing else I see as a bit less suspicious. Multiple posts that offer nothing, like with Der, tend to slide under the radar easier then one random vote. He even prodded someone, however it was over a silly self vote that was more then likely a joke. He probably did that so it looked like he at least tried to do something.

Not saying we should drag focus off those who made one random vote, just saying more focus should be put on a person like the Hammer of Der. :p

I'll be back later and try to get a list of people who I feel fit more into the profile I put Der into though, try to get them all talking. :p

Imma go out and eat first though, I'm feeling a serious lack of protien in my diet.

Hope that suffices you Farside. :p

[OhGodMyLife]

Unvote, Vote: Sir Tornado

[Puta Puta]

zomg i totally forgot about this thread O_o.

[curiouskarmadog]

and you know he is a newbie right?

Yep. You would realize that I ended up unvoting him and concluding that he is not scummy on page 4.

What is your point? You should have known that when you voted him when his wagon was hot. I assume it wasnt a joke vote because you would have said it by now.

I understand newbies attacking newbies for newbie tell, but you should know better…and even though you are not currently voting Hoopla, you jumped on that because…?

I realize I'm a newbie, but I didn't join in this game just so I can play the newbie card, so you don't need to keep dealing it to me. I think I can handle the pressure and the dynamics of the game.

umm, It is called scum hunting, maybe if you had some experience you would know that. It wasnt a defense of you, I felt his vote reasoning was suspect.

Vote: Hoopla

for his No Lynch vote, and defense of it.

Read through page 1.

unvote, vote Sensfan,

same question that went to SIr Tornado..but doubled for you because you are doing it after only reading page one. This looks like someone who is trying to look like they are participating but not really doing anything.

also explain to me why voting after reading only page or 1 or page 3, when the rest of the group is on page 7 is pro-town.

[Sir Tornado]

CKD, while I was third person on that wagon, I think I gave a bit of hint that I did not like that no lynch in my second post in the game before any one else had voted him, and I would have voted him at that point had I not been trying to rile BM (and, yes BM, you guessed the correct reason). Furthermore, the wagon wasn't exactly hot. GC, having voted Hoopla was getting some flak for doing so.

(still waiting for your answer Seraphim)

[Sir Tornado]

Ok, wait having read first page again, I conclude that contrary to my last post, the Hoopla wagon was hot when I voted him and GC didn't get flak from anyone except Hoopla himself till after I voted him.

[Der Hammer]

Well, for now I"m satisfied with my little squables with BM. Time to turn my focus onto another man.

And that man is.......Der Hammer
DUN DUN DUNN!!!!

He has yet to comment on any major event, nor has he really said ANYTHING relevant, except point out what FoS was to me.

As with the original reason for going after Hoopla, there really isn't a lot we can gauge from Der Hammers actions so far today. Therefore I'd like to see some more thoughts of the Hammer of Der posted in the near future. I'll try and sift through to find the other people who are mostly inactive and haven't posted much relevent soon, but I"m to tired to dig through all this again right now. :p

Not sure this is really a relevant post to be honest? There were people who were less active than me which you seemingly ignored, yet you plucked me from the crowd. I will try and make my thoughts more known soon on the main events of the day.

[Battle Mage]

zomg i totally forgot about this thread O_o.

How many games are you in in the New York Forum?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Hoopla

for his No Lynch vote, and defense of it.

Read through page 1.

unvote, vote Sensfan,

same question that went to SIr Tornado..but doubled for you because you are doing it after only reading page one. This looks like someone who is trying to look like they are participating but not really doing anything.

also explain to me why voting after reading only page or 1 or page 3, when the rest of the group is on page 7 is pro-town.

Actually CKD, im less certain about Sens here. On the one hand he isnt really making reasoned votes, but he is certainly casting the net wide, something that is, in my mind, a strong town tell. Of course, he could easily be scum, trying to be seen like this, but if this was the case, why would he tunnel-vision so quickly?

This doesnt seem out of character for him.

BM

[Battle Mage]

CKD, while I was third person on that wagon, I think I gave a bit of hint that I did not like that no lynch in my second post in the game before any one else had voted him, and I would have voted him at that point had I not been trying to rile BM (and, yes BM, you guessed the correct reason). Furthermore, the wagon wasn't exactly hot. GC, having voted Hoopla was getting some flak for doing so.

(still waiting for your answer Seraphim)

So you didnt join immediately because those on the wagon already were getting heat?

BM

[Knight of Cydonia]

Back-up Mod Vote-count

Yes, I am The Fonz's official back-up mod. Yes, he asked to me do vote-counts if I see he hasn't done one in a while.

GeorgeCarlin (3)- militant, Hoopla, Battle Mage
Hoopla (3)- GeorgeCarlin, Sobeahero, Sensfan
OhGodMyLife (1) - Ectomancer
Sir Tornado (1): OhGodMyLife
xyzzy (1) - farside22
Seraphim (1) - shanba
CuriousKarmaDog (1) - tubby216
Yosarian2 (1) - Der Hammer
Natirasha (1) - Natirasha
Sensfan (1) - curiouskarmadog

[curiouskarmadog]

BM, you feel wide nets are town?...I always thought wide nets were scummy..leaves people open to manuver their vote without too much crap from anyone....I dont really feel like Sens is casting a wide net though. two votes is hardly a wide net in a 22 person game

[Battle Mage]

BM, you feel wide nets are town?...I always thought wide nets were scummy..leaves people open to manuver their vote without too much crap from anyone....I dont really feel like Sens is casting a wide net though. two votes is hardly a wide net in a 22 person game

Bearing in mind he's made 3 vote switches after reading as many pages, i think that classes as casting the net wide. And yes, i think they are protown, because generally scum will try and go after 1 or 2 people really hard, for consistency points, and won't want to alienate themselves by declaring further targets.

Also

Unvote

BM

[Sobeahero]

Well, for now I"m satisfied with my little squables with BM. Time to turn my focus onto another man.

And that man is.......Der Hammer
DUN DUN DUNN!!!!

He has yet to comment on any major event, nor has he really said ANYTHING relevant, except point out what FoS was to me.

As with the original reason for going after Hoopla, there really isn't a lot we can gauge from Der Hammers actions so far today. Therefore I'd like to see some more thoughts of the Hammer of Der posted in the near future. I'll try and sift through to find the other people who are mostly inactive and haven't posted much relevent soon, but I"m to tired to dig through all this again right now. :p

Not sure this is really a relevant post to be honest? There were people who were less active than me which you seemingly ignored, yet you plucked me from the crowd. I will try and make my thoughts more known soon on the main events of the day.

You were more active without actually contributing anything though. Seemed like a way to make people think you were active without actually giving town anything to gauge you on. In addition people who post less would look more suspicious then the guy who keeps posting.

And as I told Farside, there were others like you, you just happened to be at the top of my head. Possibly because I think Hammer of Der sounds cool. :p

[Battle Mage]

Well, for now I"m satisfied with my little squables with BM. Time to turn my focus onto another man.

And that man is.......Der Hammer
DUN DUN DUNN!!!!

He has yet to comment on any major event, nor has he really said ANYTHING relevant, except point out what FoS was to me.

As with the original reason for going after Hoopla, there really isn't a lot we can gauge from Der Hammers actions so far today. Therefore I'd like to see some more thoughts of the Hammer of Der posted in the near future. I'll try and sift through to find the other people who are mostly inactive and haven't posted much relevent soon, but I"m to tired to dig through all this again right now. :p

Not sure this is really a relevant post to be honest? There were people who were less active than me which you seemingly ignored, yet you plucked me from the crowd. I will try and make my thoughts more known soon on the main events of the day.

You were more active without actually contributing anything though. Seemed like a way to make people think you were active without actually giving town anything to gauge you on. In addition people who post less would look more suspicious then the guy who keeps posting.

And as I told Farside, there were others like you, you just happened to be at the top of my head. Possibly because I think Hammer of Der sounds cool. :p

I disagree with the premise here. I'd say lurking in plain sight is generally picked up on more than hardcore lurking.

BM

[Sir Tornado]

CKD, while I was third person on that wagon, I think I gave a bit of hint that I did not like that no lynch in my second post in the game before any one else had voted him, and I would have voted him at that point had I not been trying to rile BM (and, yes BM, you guessed the correct reason). Furthermore, the wagon wasn't exactly hot. GC, having voted Hoopla was getting some flak for doing so.

(still waiting for your answer Seraphim)

So you didnt join immediately because those on the wagon already were getting heat?

BM

...

I am trully speachless here.

[Shanba]

Unvote, Vote: Sir Tornado

I like your style.

Unvote Vote: Sir Tornado

But I completely disagree with BM.

[OhGodMyLife]

Mod(s), the vote count has an error, as I am most certainly not self voting.

[Knight of Cydonia]

OhGodMyLife (1) - Ectomancer

*cough*

[SensFan]

Still don't like BM claiming that Hoopla's vote didn't hide his alignment at all. Hoopla seems to be avoiding saying anything, letting the bigger dogs fight over the debate he supposedly purposefully started, which is something I really don't like.

[SensFan]

I am not liking the large number of people that seem to be accepting the "I did something scummy on purpose to catch scum!", which is obviously very flawed.

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: Sir Tornado

I like your style.

Unvote Vote: Sir Tornado

I completely agree with BM.

Wait, what are you agreeing with me about exactly?

BM