Mini 762 - Secret-role Mafia, Status: Mod Gone, Plug Pulled

[Beyond_Birthday]

Probably scum.

That the difference....i

know

ur scum

Only mafia "knows" things.

2 people said stuff... Lowell's was useless (FIND TIME) and Ash...well...his is relevant.

Still waiting on people to play.

[Wall-E]

As of this post, charter replaces TCold.

[charter]

Hello. Gonna read up tonight or tomorrow.

unvote

[millar13]

Probably scum.

That the difference....i

know

ur scum

Only mafia "knows" things.

2 people said stuff... Lowell's was useless (FIND TIME) and Ash...well...his is relevant.

Still waiting on people to play.

Only mafia "know" stuff

but I know that you are scum....its is just so evident it isn't true. Its a shame no one is likely to see how it just radiates off you

[Simpor]

welcome charter...
and

Request deadline

If two more repeat this request, I will enact a deadline. - the mod

I think that we are pretty much stuck. Activity going down and so on. What do the rest of you think?

[Beyond_Birthday]

Simpor, why don't you comment on the Millar..someone else attack against me? I think assisting in conversation would stir things up better than asking a non committing question.

[millar13]

Beyond_Birthday stop acting like a victim

[charter]

FOS Nab and BB.

By page three I'm heavily leaning BB scum.

Nab is looking like his scumbuddy.

I see nothing wrong with millar. The last scum might be on his wagon.

113- Holy crap. I hope Ash got lynched in the next seven posts after that.

Unvote, Vote Ash

No one saw this? No Ash votes at all? Ash has been on every large wagon with absolutely no reason. He just goes from one to the other.

None of the other wagons look good. We need more Ash votes. Five more I believe.

[Beyond_Birthday]

At least Charter is trying.

I agree with the Ash accusation upon a minor reread.

Also, I think Millar is scum buddy with Ash based on Ash's vote, unvote AND Millar's play.

Unvote; Vote Ash

[charter]

Guys, Ash is scum like WHOA!

Everyong needs to explain why Ash is or is not scum in their NEXT POST so we can find all his scumbuddies. You earn double town points if you vote for him too!

[millar13]

Beyond_Birthday you change votes quicker than I have seen for a long time.

Scum or just indecisive townie?

[skitzer]

I agree with the case on Ash. Looking through his posts, almost every other one is a vote switch, and they are all on people who were suspicious at that point (TCold, millar, and most recently Xenaroth).

Vote: AshKetchummm

Other viable cases are the still missing Simpor and Beyond_Birthdary.

[Wall-E]

Votecount 1-7

[3] millar13

Elias_the_thief, Simpor, AshKetchummm

[3] AshKetchummm

charter, Beyond_Birthday, skitzer

[1] Xenaroth

Lowell

[1] Lowell

NabakovNabakov

[1] Elias_the_thief

millar13

[1] Simpor

Xenaroth

[0] Beyond_Birthday

[0] skitzer

[0] charter

[0] AWA

[0] NabakovNabakov

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch and end Day 1.

[charter]

FOS millar.

[Beyond_Birthday]

Beyond_Birthday you change votes quicker than I have seen for a long time.

Scum or just indecisive townie?

Tunneling? Even Skitzer dropped his (poor) case against me because it had merit. Now, you act not only as though you lack a case but you fail to advance or support conversation by commenting on your opinion of Ash.

Fos.

[millar13]

You voted for me, only to unvote me. FOS is already known lol

[charter]

No, you have majorly raised in scumminess by entirely ignoring giving your opinion on Ash.

[NabakovNabakov]

@NabNab

Quick runthrough:

xena

looks worse as time goes on. At first he spent a lot of time worrying about who was and who wasn't posting enough for his liking. That struck me as scummy, but would be fine if that's the kind of player he is (ie. overattentive). Since the game has settled down he doesn't seem to have anything else to say. It makes me think he was using metagame posts at the beginning because he didn't want to risk saying anything incriminating.

This is the post where I got my suspision of xena, since Lowell brought up basically what I was thinking.

But I agree his voting may not of been as erratic as I said it was, but still I have to agree with the majority of what Lowell said.

If you're going to quote Lowell's post like that, you might want to take a look at the post where I tear into his position on Xenaroth. Also, this whole affair seems seriously delayed; why vote on Page 5 based on a secondary source from Page 2?

This just hammers home the points charter has made about Ash's scuminess. I would prefer to stay on Lowell, but let's see where this wagon goes.

Unvote; Vote: AshKetchummm

@Charter: Where exactly is your opinion on me coming from?

[millar13]

No, you have majorly raised in scumminess by entirely ignoring giving your opinion on Ash.

To be honest I don't really have one...he doesn't seem scummy but he doesn't seem town either. What can I say?

[Beyond_Birthday]

@NabNab

Quick runthrough:

xena

looks worse as time goes on. At first he spent a lot of time worrying about who was and who wasn't posting enough for his liking. That struck me as scummy, but would be fine if that's the kind of player he is (ie. overattentive). Since the game has settled down he doesn't seem to have anything else to say. It makes me think he was using metagame posts at the beginning because he didn't want to risk saying anything incriminating.

This is the post where I got my suspision of xena, since Lowell brought up basically what I was thinking.

But I agree his voting may not of been as erratic as I said it was, but still I have to agree with the majority of what Lowell said.

If you're going to quote Lowell's post like that, you might want to take a look at the post where I tear into his position on Xenaroth. Also, this whole affair seems seriously delayed; why vote on Page 5 based on a secondary source from Page 2?

This just hammers home the points charter has made about Ash's scuminess. I would prefer to stay on Lowell, but let's see where this wagon goes.

Unvote; Vote: AshKetchummm

@Your "Delayed" argument: So, time makes a statement less scummy as time goes on in this case? Wow, Time really does heal all wounds.

Your vote is wagon hopping. If you don't think Ash is scum, why vote him?
@Charter: Where exactly is your opinion on me coming from?

[charter]

@Charter: Where exactly is your opinion on me coming from?

The first few pages, off the top of my head there was the self vote and you had questionable interactions with BB. If I decide to pursue this I will be more specific, but for now Ash needs votes.

No, you have majorly raised in scumminess by entirely ignoring giving your opinion on Ash.

To be honest I don't really have one...he doesn't seem scummy but he doesn't seem town either. What can I say?

You could have said that. You could also go back and take a closer look at his posts and tell us if you still don't have an opinion

[Beyond_Birthday]

@NabNab

Quick runthrough:

xena

looks worse as time goes on. At first he spent a lot of time worrying about who was and who wasn't posting enough for his liking. That struck me as scummy, but would be fine if that's the kind of player he is (ie. overattentive). Since the game has settled down he doesn't seem to have anything else to say. It makes me think he was using metagame posts at the beginning because he didn't want to risk saying anything incriminating.

This is the post where I got my suspision of xena, since Lowell brought up basically what I was thinking.

But I agree his voting may not of been as erratic as I said it was, but still I have to agree with the majority of what Lowell said.

If you're going to quote Lowell's post like that, you might want to take a look at the post where I tear into his position on Xenaroth. Also, this whole affair seems seriously delayed; why vote on Page 5 based on a secondary source from Page 2?

This just hammers home the points charter has made about Ash's scuminess. I would prefer to stay on Lowell, but let's see where this wagon goes.

Unvote; Vote: AshKetchummm

@Charter: Where exactly is your opinion on me coming from?

@Your "Delayed" argument: So, time makes a statement less scummy as time goes on in this case? Wow, Time really does heal all wounds.

Your vote is scummy. If you do not think Ash is scummy, why vote him? His wagons grown enough in the past few posts. (in the past page?)

[charter]

Your vote is scummy. If you do not think Ash is scummy, why vote him? His wagons grown enough in the past few posts. (in the past page?)

I'm just waiting for his explaination. If by some miracle he has some great explanation for his behavior, then I have a number two I will look at. If the explanation is lacking, then I'm all for lynching. Pretty sure he's not the mystery role either.

[millar13]

I re-read a number of Ash's posts and still nothing have really hit me hard enough to think "He is scum" am I really missing something or have I fallen out of context?

[Elias_the_thief]

Couple of pbp's...I chose to go over Ash and Xenaroth because they seem to be the focus of the current discussion (I wanted to see if there was merit to the Ash case). AWA was kind of a random decision.

AWA:

2- random vote, confirm
4- random vote v 2.0
9- response to BB
84- Apology for lack of posts, analysis of players. Its rudimentary, but somewhat useful. Its worth noting that it makes negative points against basically everyone, but has no vote.
100- clarification of analysis. Doesn't really improve the original post, still no vote.
112- useless post

Conclusion: not much substance, no posts recently. Seems noncommittal (no #1 suspect, no votes, just attacks everyone). Slight scum vibes, but too early to tell really.

Xenaroth:

10- random vote, confirm
18- change vote to lurker. its a little early to be lurker hunting, but not necessarily scummy.
20- see above analysis
40- good answer to lowell vote. discusses BB.
43- continues discussion with BB
53- analysis of BB, weak vote on lowell.
55- response to skitzer, nothing of note.
80- attempt to mediate between me and millar. I dont like the tone in which he responds to my attacks to millar and undermines my attempts to bring him out of the woodwork.
82- sounds like a bit of coaching of millar. interesting.
91- response to awa. deadline question
92- see above.
109- explains absense
114- as i said before, this is a good defense.
125- see above.
128- promises case. still waitin for that one...

Conclusion: i liked the level of activity early, its fallen off some now. the defense was good, but its easy to sound good defending against bs. hint of coaching of millar is of note later. not really leaning one way or the other on this one.

Ash:

3- random vote, confirm
15- second random vote, semi serious discussion and question posed to xen.
19- following up xen discussion
62- jumps on millar wagon right after i start it. simply states that he agrees.
93- nothing of substance here.
113- very weak reason for the vote, and this is his second time jumping on a bandwagon with poor reasons.
116- very defensive post. instead of trying to reiterate his argument, he tries to cover his ass from some weak counterattacks that xen threw into his defense. focuses on name error rather than actual argument from xen.
119- asks for nabs opinions so they could compare notes. as I said before, this is sketchy, especially when he has posted none of his own.
148- response to nab. still no notes from him. its also worth noting that this post fails to respond to the discussion with xen about his vote. interesting seeing as xenaroth had proved his reason for voting hypocritical. yet, no unvote. hmm...

Conclusion: wagon follower, opportunistic. Lack of good reasons for vote. sketchy request to nab. The thing that tops it off is how he simply drops the point with xen, but leaves his vote on. the vote that was proven hypocritical. pretty frickin scummy.
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The case against Ash is surely strong, but it bothers me a lot that I am the first to mention a lot of these points against him, while the majority of people on this wagon have said things along the lines of "changes his vote a lot, seems shifty". Seeing as he's already at -2, I will hold off on my vote until Ash responds.