Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

[Wisdom]

No?

[uctriton00]

I asked that because I was also wondering why you have such a strong town read on dave to the point where you are relegating him untouchable, when it looks like BBT was mirroring the same frustrating I had with Shinobi when Shinobi didn't want to ask questions

Can you just quickly say why Dave is town

[uctriton00]

*frustration, not frustrating

[Wisdom]

dunno I remember liking his posts a lot when I was reading the game, and I found BBT's "case" terrible, so

Plus he has now townslipped as you'll see in a bit

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You were reading him as solid town way before that slip.

And before I presented my case on him if I remember correctly.

[uctriton00]

but I do believe Shinobi was the one trying to sort out uctriton while uctriton stood there tunneling and ignoring everything Shinobi was saying.

lol

I wanted Shinobi to explain his stance on why I was scum (with such a vengeful attitude too, to boot, which put me on even further tilt since I feel like it's unnecessary to do that).

He said he didn't have to explain it.

I don't know how that is Shinobi trying to sort me out.

[Wisdom]

yea I corrected it

[uctriton00]

^ disregard, I just read your 1397

[Wisdom]

You were reading him as solid town way before that slip.

And before I presented my case on him if I remember correctly.

Yeah I was, your point is?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

My point is don't use reasoning to justify a town-read when those reasons are only applicable after the fact.

You refused to explain your town-read on Dave when it first appeared.

[uctriton00]

me it must mean you've reached a conclusion, yes?

You're a good player. I have respect for your style. After this is all over, I hope that you can give me some tips on my play.

Scumclaim.

I actually don't hate this right here.

[Wisdom]

My point is don't use reasoning to justify a town-read when those reasons are only applicable after the fact.

You refused to explain your town-read on Dave when it first appeared.

Except my reasoning wasn't the townslip.

[uctriton00]

@Mod, can you post links to Game Events on the front page, like "End of Day 1, Start of Day 2", and also include the flip results in the opening page

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You said 'plus the town-slip'.

You also used the fact that I presented a 'bad' case and that gave you a town-read on him. Not only did my case happen after your town-read, but I fail to see how me presenting said case equals Dave being town.

Can you explain that correlation?

[Wisdom]

My reasoning for the town read was "liking his posts when I was reading the game".

The part about your terrible push on him was about uctriton's question regarding "relegating him untouchable".

The slip was an extra regarding my current read on him.

All clear?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

dunno I remember liking his posts a lot when I was reading the game,

and

I found BBT's "case" terrible, so

Plus he has now townslipped as you'll see in a bit

The bolded word holds quite a bit of significance here. This suggests you were responding to the same point, so you were town-reading Dave based on my case.

The 'plus' also signifies a continuation of the same point.

I feel there has been some hard-white-knighting going on here.

[Wisdom]

You have this bad habit of ignoring what people want to say and change it to mean whatever you want it to mean. Stahp.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm simply evaluating what your post is telling me.

The words you have used hold a lot of significance and contradict your attempt at explaining them.

[Peabody]

Hi. Very sorry. Posting within a few hours.

[Malakittens]

Shin how the fuck is that a scumclaim

[hephaestus]

Post in the morning. Sorry!

[Peabody]

BBT's 1v1 vs DaveAZ doesn't look good to me. The push on Dave is based on Dave not doing a certain expected action like 'make another wagon with two days until deadline.' See, I mean, I'm shrugging at this because it's putting expectations on a specific person for a specific action when the way every poster interacts is unique. Maybe gunning for another wagon is something BBT would do, but maybe not Dave. I know it takes a while for me to develop scum reads after I townread the one I voted for.

I like Wisdom for 1254 and 1272. Way to read my thoughts while I read the thread. Although the first time you said it in 1254, I was thinking of BBT.

The better part of the push is focusing how dave jumped back on NPAU wagon. Which, Dave answered quite well in 1116.

I was going to vote BBT and then I saw his pointing out of Dave's townslip in 1335.

BBT confuses the hell out of me. But this looks town motivated unless both Dave and BBT are scum. They probably aren't. I'm town reading both at this point now. I don't understand why he's still posting distracting stuff to Dave if he thinks Dave is town. Wait... BBT, is dave town?

Idk, BBT's case feels really convoluted because Dave wound up on the wagon anyway. I'm probably going to look over what he's saying but I didn't feel particularly convinced when I read his case the first time.

What do you think of BBT pointing out a possible Dave scumslip after tunnelling him?


I got a town read on Uct based on the 1v1. Wisdom had a question about that:
It was based on Uct calling Shinobi out for his non-existent case. His frustration with Shinobi looked real, and yes, while it appeared he was painting Shinobi in a bad light, the motivation appeared to be frustration more than anything. Additionally, I found myself agreeing more with Uct while I was reading the 1v1. Shinobi did -not- make his case clear, and simply not saying why he was voting uct when asked made Shinobi more suspect to me.

His unvote on Uct was good. And Shinobi can be town for that now.

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I was tempted to say I'm liking Josh_B as town at the moment too. Where the general vote feelers are converging for multiple people, Josh is townreading me. But on second thought, his soft defense of me, his town read, isn't really indicative of anything. Especially since he is deciding to remain open and willing to listen to a case on me. It could possibly be posturing at worst and him being unsure at best. Strange that he's still defending a town read. I'm letting emotions into this read.

I didn't like Josh's hop onto MS near the end of deadline. I didn't like his self-vote. I didn't say anything about this because I generally overall had the impression he was town. The truth is that I haven't read into him much, and I find my playstyle this game is very reactionary than proactive. (It's definitely because of the huge amounts of information coming in every time I come to post. I find it hard to grasp. I feel like I'm 'catching up' with every post.)

me it must mean you've reached a conclusion, yes?

You're a good player. I have respect for your style. After this is all over, I hope that you can give me some tips on my play.

Scumclaim.

I didn't like that response from Josh either.

Long story short: Josh has done a few suspect things and while I was originally town-reading him (based on an entrance post), I am no longer town reading him. I don't necessarily scum read him either, although the above quote is hella weird.
It reminds me a lot of a previous game I played where a scum player was the target of a townperson's case. Scum said the case was good, but it's wrong. The fact that was said basically was an admission that townperson was right.

[Peabody]

I know the above post may seem disorganized with me going back and forth on things. I wrote the post as I read the last 10 pages. Keep that in mind.

[Huntress]

I don't know. I think I may be trying to justify a reason for him being town now that I've seen his flip, or once I realized how many people were scum reading him, I tried to open my mind to the possibility that he was town which caused me to read his posts from a new perspective.

But you were still reading him as scummy after you posted about how many people were scumreading him so I guess it must be the former. Except that you were townreading him

before

the flip; so that doesn't make sense.

@ Dave:

Could you reply to my question in post 1129 please?

@ Wisdom:

My reason for saying Shinobi has been looking scummier toDay was mainly a gut feeling based on his early Day two posting. For example, compare 1048, where he seemed to be implying that he was being active and other people weren't, which wasn't the case at all, with this line from 1182: "The thread exploded and I don't have the time nor the energy to look into everything that was said." Ok I fully sympathise with the latter statement but in conjunction with the earlier one it doesn't feel so good. Maybe it's just a case of be careful what you ask for because you might get it.

I'm still seeing uctriton as more likely to be scum than Shinobi due to his Day one play. I'm pretty sure they aren't scum together.

[Peabody]

How is that scummy of Shinobi, huntress?