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Post Post #1425 (ISO) » Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:30 am

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ThAdmiral wrote:See I'm confused because there seems to be arguments that adel and num7 were working together, and there are also arguments that they completely ignored each other?
Adel and Num7 worked together *after* they were attacked for completely ignoring each other. They completely changed how they were acting towards each other after it was brought to light. That's just another black mark, as far as I'm concerned.
I see. This actually makes quite a bit of sense.

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Post Post #1426 (ISO) » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:16 am

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I'd say Num7 is our best bet for scum.
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Post Post #1427 (ISO) » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:02 pm

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Vote count

Numenorean7: 3 (Albert B. Rampage, Mastermind of Sin, Tarhalindur)
Tarhalindur: 1 (Crub)
Albert B. Rampage: 1 (Numenorean7)

Not voting: 4 (NabakovNabakov, Kate, pickemgenius, ThAdmiral)

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Post Post #1428 (ISO) » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:06 pm

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C'mon guys let's do this.
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Post Post #1429 (ISO) » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:31 pm

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Actually, that's the opposite of what happened, until they were exposed. MoS first had suspicion of Num7 and noticed that Num7 and Adel were completely ignoring each other, failing to comment on anything of significance about each other and never addressing the other except in passing. This then prompted MoS to look further into Adel's behavior, showing her to be scum. He seems to have felt that Adel was the most likely scum of the two, and now that his conclusion has been proven correct, the natural progression is the lynch the other part of that scumpair.
The two of them made a concerted effort to cast suspicion on our cop D1 after he exposed them as scum
, while also casting around for other easy targets to lynch, such as CKD.

I suggest we follow the intuition of our dead cop, who already nailed one scum for us
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I'm almost down for the Num lynch but!

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I thought you didn't know you were a cop. How the hell would they?
The last line you give yourself godlike powers. All game Adel gave you godlike powers, and you denied them. Now you're practically giving them to yourself.

Mastermind of Sin wrote:I don't think I need to tell anyone that I didn't think he was cop, either.
Mastermind of Sin wrote: Why would MoS-Cop who thought Adel was scum for the latter half of D1 *not* investigate Adel-scum to confirm her guilt?
MoS-Cop didn't get any investigation results.
MoS-Cop didn't know he was a cop.
MoS isn't MoS-Cop right now. We don't know what MoS is.

This could very well be MoS' attempt at possible bussing.

*hasn't played with MoS*

That post just kinda seemed to cocky/arrogant/ABRlike for me to not comment on it.
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Post Post #1430 (ISO) » Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:53 pm

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^^ *agrees*

I think it makes sense that New MoS is trusting Old MoS's reads, but asking us all to trust them because they were made by the Cop struck me as odd.

However, MoS-scum bussing Adel for the possibility of a Num lynch the next day would mean a major gambit is in the works (one that couldn't have been discussed the previous night). It kills one scum and puts another in danger in order to get a single townie lynch. On the other hand, that townie lynch would probably put the town at LyLo.

Eh, bussing = possible but =/= probable IMO
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Post Post #1431 (ISO) » Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:02 pm

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pickemgenius wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:
Actually, that's the opposite of what happened, until they were exposed. MoS first had suspicion of Num7 and noticed that Num7 and Adel were completely ignoring each other, failing to comment on anything of significance about each other and never addressing the other except in passing. This then prompted MoS to look further into Adel's behavior, showing her to be scum. He seems to have felt that Adel was the most likely scum of the two, and now that his conclusion has been proven correct, the natural progression is the lynch the other part of that scumpair.
The two of them made a concerted effort to cast suspicion on our cop D1 after he exposed them as scum
, while also casting around for other easy targets to lynch, such as CKD.

I suggest we follow the intuition of our dead cop, who already nailed one scum for us
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I'm almost down for the Num lynch but!

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I thought you didn't know you were a cop. How the hell would they?
The last line you give yourself godlike powers. All game Adel gave you godlike powers, and you denied them. Now you're practically giving them to yourself.
Whether or not they had picked up actual tells on MoS being the cop, it's clear that they did think he was the cop and acted accordingly. Regardless of being the cop, however, he had been very outspoken and influential on the progress of the game, so they still had reason to be rid of him.

Adel attributed godlike powers of persuasion to MoS, something that he clearly does not have. However, MoS does have a fairly solid track record of actually finding scum. The fact that I cannot persuade others is clearly evidenced by the fact that you are balking at voting Num7 right now.
Mastermind of Sin wrote:I don't think I need to tell anyone that I didn't think he was cop, either.
Mastermind of Sin wrote: Why would MoS-Cop who thought Adel was scum for the latter half of D1 *not* investigate Adel-scum to confirm her guilt?
MoS-Cop didn't get any investigation results.
MoS-Cop didn't know he was a cop.
MoS isn't MoS-Cop right now. We don't know what MoS is.
What does this have to do with anything? MoS being cop just confirms that we know him to be protown, and therefore we *should* be able to 100% trust what he said on D1. This isn't to say that we should follow blindly, but we now know that the cases MoS made on D1 were completely genuine and coming from a confirmed protown player. Considering that we know that MoS has a track record of not being able to persuade people, AND that he has a track record of finding scum often, we should be able to take that information and trust his cases more than we would if we didn't know his alignment.
This could very well be MoS' attempt at possible bussing.

*hasn't played with MoS*

That post just kinda seemed to cocky/arrogant/ABRlike for me to not comment on it.
I get arrogant from time to time. It's a good change of pace.
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Post Post #1432 (ISO) » Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:59 pm

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Just because we know MoS-cop was pro-town doesn't mean all his cases must be correct. Townies make mistakes.

I don't know, MoS mafia could make sense, and would be a completely awesome play too. :wink:
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Post Post #1433 (ISO) » Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:19 pm

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MoS *was* right about Adel being scum, and his case for her was based on the connection that he saw between her and Num7, so what reason do we have to distrust the proven arguments of a dead protown person? I fail to see the problem here.
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Post Post #1434 (ISO) » Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:19 pm

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NabakovNabakov wrote:On the other hand, that townie lynch would probably put the town at LyLo.
Hmm I don't think so ... we probably have at least 2 mis-lynches before lylo, I'm assuming 3 scum.
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Post Post #1435 (ISO) » Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:49 pm

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Kate, who did you protect last night?

If there is a roleblocker, they should claim today.
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Post Post #1436 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:28 am

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I'm willing to follow this through.
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Post Post #1437 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:58 am

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Unvote


I want Kate's answer first.
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Post Post #1438 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:45 am

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Still waiting for an actual case on me that I can defend myself against. If there has been one in the past, I must have missed it: a post number would be appreciated. :)


As I see it, there are four possibilities about last night:

1) Scum targeted Kate and were role-blocked
2) Scum targeted Kate and she self-protected
3) Scum targeted someone else and that person was protected
4) Scum targeted someone else and were role-blocked.

Kate can help us figure out which one happened.
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Post Post #1439 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:49 am

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NabakovNabakov wrote:On the other hand, that townie lynch would probably put the town at LyLo.
Hmm I don't think so ... we probably have at least 2 mis-lynches before lylo, I'm assuming 3 scum.
Oh yeah! No kill last night. Forgot that one.


Other, more wild explanations for our peaceful last night:

1. Kate is actually a bulletproof townie. She had a good read that Adel was scum and sealed the deal with a claim that would get Adel killed and draw the kill to her.
2. Kate and Adel are scumbuddies. If the Mafia had target someone else last night, Kate's credibility would have been badly damaged, so the scum forwent their kill to give the illusion of a failed kill.
3. In some setup wackiness, Adel was the only scum who could kill. The other's are still scum, but they have no NK after she's dead
4: Adel was a death miller(*Insert further implausibility here*)

/agrees with MoS on waiting for claims.
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Post Post #1440 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:51 am

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5...mafia didn't send kill at deadline.
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Post Post #1441 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:30 am

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Why is everyone speculating on what happened? Kate could very well have been scum, although not likely, but there is no reason to give her excuses to use until we've heard from her ourselves.
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Post Post #1442 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:34 am

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Numenorean7 wrote:Still waiting for an actual case on me that I can defend myself against. If there has been one in the past, I must have missed it: a post number would be appreciated. :)
Post 1417 would be a good place to start.
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Post Post #1443 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:29 pm

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Mastermind of Sin wrote:Why is everyone speculating on what happened? Kate could very well have been scum, although not likely, but there is no reason to give her excuses to use until we've heard from her ourselves.
In my opinion, listing wacky yet possible alternatives is good mental exercise. I don't really believe any of the things I said are what happened.
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Post Post #1444 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:15 pm

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If you don't believe anything you said is what happened, then there isn't really a reasonable explanation. You listed off any and all reasonable explanations, plus a few that were out there.
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Post Post #1445 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:40 pm

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Last night I protected myself, since per didn't say that in the rules or anything, I got to protect myself for one night (last night). I don't see harm in listing possibilities, but since I'm posting everything, it is pretty pointless :wink:
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Post Post #1446 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:14 pm

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Kate wrote:Last night I protected myself, since per didn't say that in the rules or anything, I got to protect myself for one night (last night). I don't see harm in listing possibilities, but since I'm posting everything, it is pretty pointless :wink:
well then that's nifty.
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Post Post #1447 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:35 am

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Vote: Num7


Let's wrap this up.
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Post Post #1448 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:52 am

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Vote count

Numenorean7: 4 (Albert B. Rampage, Tarhalindur, ThAdmiral, Mastermind of Sin)
Tarhalindur: 1 (Crub)
Albert B. Rampage: 1 (Numenorean7)

Not voting: 3 (NabakovNabakov, Kate, pickemgenius)

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Post Post #1449 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:03 am

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Num?

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