Chuck Season 1 - GAME OVER

[Mastermind of Sin]

This is a good point. It's a powerful setup and naturally the thought of one even/odd Vig would be that the other shares his alignment. As confirmed Vigs to each other they become frighteningly deadly to the Mafia who would need something powerful to counter them. RB isn't bad, and we don't know what else the Mafia may have, but I agree they're powerful paired with a cop and my role and a potential town Day Vig.

...and a Neighborizor, which admittedly isn't that powerful but still not vanilla.

2. I'm 95% sure Rag is Mafia. If he is then I think MBF, MOS and Ant are town.

If Rag isn't mafia, what would that tell you about MBF, Ant, and I?
EBWOP: Never mind, see that someone else already mentioned this.

Thor, why did you not protect anyone Day 2? When do you have to send in your choice?

Also, can we get clarification about quoting QT communications? I just want to be able to copy ISOs we've put together if/when we need them, and I don't really want to go through the trouble of paraphrasing an entire ISO.

[PeregrineV]

@Thor- was hoping you were doc, although I think you are overthinking your title. I think the Day Doc refers to the fact that you submit your target during the day (ie, before the lynch), but the target is protected from NK actions. I read about the concept (on this site) of submitting night targets during the day phase instead of the night phase, to make players think about it a little more.
(The only reason I said daydoc awas becuase you kept looking for a dayvig )

Either way, I was hoping you were doc, and was also hoping you protected someone else besides Ant, since I was putting him in the town column. But, now at least I know he's confirmed town. And I can put you there also.

Unvote.
Vote: MoS

Other choice at this point would have to be Dramonic. EmpKing was investigated, so he gets the benefit of the doubt for now ( I think I really hate the godfather role).

Much better vote count analysis coming tomorrow from work.

[Thor665]

Thor, why did you not protect anyone Day 2? When do you have to send in your choice?

I already answered both of these questions within the last four hours.

[Thor665]

I think the Day Doc refers to the fact that you submit your target during the day (ie, before the lynch), but the target is protected from NK actions. I read about the concept (on this site) of submitting night targets during the day phase instead of the night phase, to make players think about it a little more.

My role PM specifically suggests this is not the case. I protect people during the Day Phase - not the Night Phase.

(The only reason I said daydoc awas becuase you kept looking for a dayvig )

Why were you so sure I was Doc?

[PeregrineV]

@Thor- If you only protect people during the day phase, then your less useful than a regular doc. Not only woul dyou have to pick the right dayvig tarhet, but the dayvig would have to be alive to shoot. And it would have to shoot daily. None of that has happened yet. So, Occam's Razor, you protect during the day AND night, but must select target during the day.

And, maybe you can prtoect target from the lynch? Who knows. Sounds weird, but maybe that's what your wording meant.

Because no one else claimed doc, and there was no mafia NK night1 (although I did think it was RC up until Rag confessed)

Also, looking back over early stuff. Willing to wait on MoS for now.

Unvote.
Vote: Dramonic

Vig vote: MoS or EmpKing

[Thor665]

I asked about lynch - no I don't.
Also, as stated, my role PM is very clear that I protect during the day phase for the duration of that day phase. The only way I stopped a Night 1 kill was if scum/SK submit kill during the day phase and the flip happens at night.

[PeregrineV]

@Thor- That would be weird, but maybe they do have to do that. Either way, your the town doc, so gogogo doc!

[Mastermind of Sin]

Thor, why did you not protect anyone Day 2? When do you have to send in your choice?

I already answered both of these questions within the last four hours.

I don't see it in your ISO. Can you answer these again for me, cuz it got lost in there somewhere and wasn't obvious to me.

[Empking]

Kill: Peregrine
Dayvig: Peregrine
Murder: Peregrine
Assassinate: Peregrine
Vigkill: Peregrine
Vig: Peregrine
Eliminate: Peregrine

[Ragnarokio]

Kill: Peregrine
Dayvig: Peregrine
Murder: Peregrine
Assassinate: Peregrine
Vigkill: Peregrine
Vig: Peregrine
Eliminate: Peregrine

You weren't an obvious daydoc, but you were making it obvious that your role confirmed the existence of a dayvig, and daydoc would probably be one of the few feasible roles that does that, so it's not a huge gap in logic for anyone trying to guess.

This is a rather odd situation, and I'm not really sure what to think of it.

A roleblocker and a dayvig on the scumteam seems overpowered. We were lucky that dana dropped first, or else our cop would have been stuck, we evidentially don't have a real doctor. Balance arguments aren't absolute, though. This will take some time to puzzle out.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Kill: Peregrine
Dayvig: Peregrine
Murder: Peregrine
Assassinate: Peregrine
Vigkill: Peregrine
Vig: Peregrine
Eliminate: Peregrine

[Mastermind of Sin]

EBWOP: What if someone *is* a dayvig/sk/whatever, and they do happen to use it on the person Thor protected (if he protected someone)? How will us doing this reveal who they are?

[Thor665]

Also YOU'RE ALL IGNORING THE OBVIOUS HOLE IN MBF'S PLAN THAT I POINTED OUT!

Here's a shocking hint - if Peregrine suddenly drops dead...who is the Dayvig? I'm pretty sure the mod isn't going to go "Congrats...'insert player name'" in the kill post.
Stop posting those things NOW!

[Thor665]

Here you go MoS;

I choose during the day - duuur.
To be precise - anytime during the day.

1. I was debating how best to use the power - my theory had become scum would want to use it as a claim for town points so would tend to shoot scummy people - not claimed cops. I didn't see much value in trying to predict 'the towniest scummy person' so didn't.
2. Gut - probably at some point Day 1 i called him fairly obv. town, that's probably when I protected him.

@Rag - I sort of hoped my 'confirm pro town Vig' would have suggested the opposite of Day Doc, as Day Doc tends to confirm anti-town Vig. I'll agree RB+Day Vig equals wtf - the only possible explanations to my mind are;
1. My role exists only to frell with town's heads
2. Pere is right and I'm actually a regular doc, but the mod specifically frelled with the wording of my role PM in a way that's obnoxious if this is true.

I'm not particularly pleased with either option and would prefer to stick with worst case scenario as a possibility until we figure otherwise.

[Thor665]

Sent new mod a question about my role PM concerning targeting time.

Ant - can you clarify that you target at night?
Rag/mbf - same question.

[PeregrineV]

@Yeah, stop attempting to kill me!

I think secret dayvig would be somewhat of a bastard role, and not make much sense, no matter whose side it is on.
But, just so I can be cool too

Kill: Dramonic
Dayvig: Dramonic
Murder: Dramonic
Assassinate: Dramonic
Vigkill: Dramonic
Vig: Dramonic
Eliminate: Dramonic
Shoot: Mos

[PeregrineV]

@Mod- Vote count and stuff, please?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Why did you shoot me but do everything else to Dramonic?

[PeregrineV]

@MoS- Because nobody else used the word Shoot. Since I don't think any of it means anything, I changed it up.

Do you think Dramonic is a good lynch for today?

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm not sure anymore. The massclaim has made me think anyone who isn't Ant or Empking could be a good lynch for today.

[PeregrineV]

Except the vigs have to be legit. Since nobody counterclaimed for ooba, vigs did RC and Magua, and a town doc and cop are semi-standard.
And a scum RB would make sense, what with 4 targets to block, that's a 50% chance or better night1.

So, while I still think there is a GF, your role doesn't make sense in a town context.

[Empking]

Pre: Who was killed by the mafia on night one in your opinion?

[PeregrineV]

I think Ant was the target, and was protected by Thor night1.

[Empking]

You think the set up is: Cop, Doc, Neighbour-Vigs? Are you serious?

[PeregrineV]

So town cop, doc and vig sounds insane? With vig power reduced by putting it into two players hands (neighbors not masons)?