Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

[Wisdom]

OMG, I said I'd reconsider that read. What more do you expect? How do you expect to resolve this without Peabody being present?

Peabody does not need to be here in order for you to share what he has done that made you think you are town. That's all I'm asking for and you still refuse to give it.

Scum can do whatever they want. Uctriton though is probably town. How many Ad Populum statements are you going to make?

If scum can also do it, how does it makes uctriton probably town?

I said that I believe him.

Which makes zero sense. Are you saying scum can't claim they are town? I was just reading a game with you and BBT in it and BBT was scum and said "I am town". So?

I have to guess things. It won't be the first time that I've guessed wrong. But you tunneling this shit doesnt mean I'm right or wrong, it just puts me into a postion to either second guess myself, or to say I'm absolutely right and your are an idiot.
Fortunately, I know that you are not an idiot. Scum probably, but not an idiot.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. What shit am I tunneling?
Why are you not pushing me if I'm probably scum? You've tried to engage me exactly one time, and that was when I entered the game. After that, nothing, despite your strong MS scumread.

I also know that our conversation has become redundant. I've guessed as much as I can guess, and explained as much of my guess's as I can. If I haven't answered your questions by now, I can't. I've reached the limits of my imagination as far as this game goes. If you like that, great, lets move on, if you don't that's on you.

You have not explained anything. I take it you're giving up then.

Nothing has happened gamestate wise that caused me to change my mind. I'm not going to change my opinion just because you want me to without seeing further evidence. But for now, regardless of Hephaestus, Uctriton, and Peabody, I'm pretty sure that my vote is on scum, and I'm going with it.

I fail to see where I told you to change your opinion. I am asking you to explain your own opinion and you aren't doing it.

[Wisdom]

that made you think you are town

that made you think

he is town

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[Josh_B]

Sometimes I am very wordy. I've highlighted the important parts.

Spoiler: response to wisdom

I have to guess things. It won't be the first time that I've guessed wrong.
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our conversation has become redundant.
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I'm pretty sure that my vote is on scum, and I'm going with it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Oh god please make this wagon quick.

BBT when you do anti-town things in a game like tunnel a townie to death just because they weren't on a lynch wagon, expect to be FoS'd.
When you do it two games in a row, you're either scum or playing against your wincon.

You voted me for questioning people who were on the NPAU wagon because I said in early D1 that NPAU was my #1 lynch for that day.

Now you're saying you're voting me for tunnelling.

Which is it?

Also, Dave was on the wagon. I hope now that you can see the difference in this silly argument you're trying to push by comparing it to the Micro game, because in the micro game I was looking at players who were off the wagon. Dave was on the wagon when NPAU got lynched, you're really not paying much attention, are you?

[Wisdom]

That's not the similarity he was talking about...

[Wisdom]

I have to guess things.

So, what you're saying is, your reads on Peabody and uctriton are just random guesses. You don't have reasoning for them.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

just because they weren't on a lynch wagon, expect to be FoS'd.

I know what similarities he was talking about.

I was specifically addressing this point.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

For some reason he thinks Dave wasn't on the NPAU wagon when he got lynched.

[Josh_B]

BBT,
The correlation that I'm making to the Micro is that you claimed I had a town read on him and

"didn't do enough to stop the lynch"

In this game you have said that Dave also

"didn't do enough to stop the lynch"

I was referring to this earlier, but my question directly to you is What was your motivation for pushing this issue with Dave as opposed to Peabody or anyone else?

It seems very selective.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ah, I see.

I didn't like Dave's late D1 play. I didn't like his 'scum-hunting' in the time he was off the NPAU wagon either.

I disliked his interactions with Mala, it felt like he was going to sheep me onto Mala, hence why he asked what I thought of Mala's reads. If I had stayed on Mala, I strongly suspect Dave would have followed.

[Josh_B]

h Mala, it felt like he was going to sheep me onto Mala, hence why he asked what I thought of Mala's reads. If I had stayed on Mala, I strongly suspect Dave would have followed.

But the case was shitty the last time you pushed it, and lynched town. What makes it different here?

[Wisdom]

Josh, what is your current read on me? If you want to end the discussion with me it must mean you've reached a conclusion, yes?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's a different game under different circumstances.

That's like saying 'The last time you lynched someone who hammered a town wagon they were town, so why do it again?'

That logic makes no sense.

[Josh_B]

me it must mean you've reached a conclusion, yes?

You're a good player. I have respect for your style. After this is all over, I hope that you can give me some tips on my play.

[Wisdom]

That's not what I asked you. Am I scum? Am I town? What do you think right now, be honest.

[Shinobi]

me it must mean you've reached a conclusion, yes?

You're a good player. I have respect for your style. After this is all over, I hope that you can give me some tips on my play.

Scumclaim.

[goodmorning]

Wisdom is Town.

My entire view of the game is now utterly fucked.

Rereading.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

GM is scum.

I cannot believe how little you have contributed to this game.

[Shinobi]

Wisdom: what are your thoughts on GM's interaction with the uct/me fight?

[Wisdom]

I didn't have any issues with her posts regarding the 1v1.

[Wisdom]

Josh I see you lurking around.. Talk to me

[uctriton00]

need to catch up, i'm seriously behind

all i have right now at this point before i read again:
wisdom town (based on effort, albeit that best town performance tag is actually a lot of confirmation bias)
josh scum (attempting to buddy me for the sake of buddying me; his town reads are completely unfounded and is saying my town read is based on an omgus (even though the omgus took place waaaaaaay after he said i was town) and is trying to use a joke replace in post as actual evidence, which is ******* retarded and deserves a blacklist if he flips town in this game)
gm scum by association (npau flipping town, and josh is saying that gm should be cleared)
shinobi null (ever since npau flipped town, but that doesn't mean i think shinobi is confirmed town necessarily, it means i don't have an actual assessment yet)
heph scum (based on what i last read from him before i didn't play much this past weekend and thus the reason i'm behind 12 pages)

[uctriton00]

in addition i thought metal sonic was a genuine town person too

[Wisdom]

gm scum by association (npau flipping town, and josh is saying that gm should be cleared)

I don't think either of these make goodmorning scum. Even if josh is scum.

[uctriton00]

Because I don't need to. You're being stupid and don't want to let go. You will eventually.

TBH wisdom, isn't this at least a little manipulative to say to someone in Mafia?