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Post Post #1375 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:23 am

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In post 1374, MafiaSSK wrote:His inactivity followed by short convenient bursts of activity though create reasonable doubt in my mind.
What do you think of slimer's explanation that she has had trouble keeping up with the game?
In post 1374, MafiaSSK wrote:If slimer were to be scum, which I gave credence to in the first post, it would be with Marquis.
You still think a Marquis-slimer pairing is likely? If so, why?
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Post Post #1376 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:59 am

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In post 1371, Kalimar wrote:
Marquis


Pros
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  • Sakura's
    Godfather
    Jailkeeper flip suggests a cop-type role is in the game, though could be a red herring.
  • Guiltying someone who might have defended him (if different alignment) is not so survivalistic.
  • Although the attempt to claim last had annoyed some people, this action is more often than not done by Town. Though, I'm still not clear as to why he felt he needed to claim last in the first place.
Cons
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  • No crumbs for actions; though a heavily truncated Day 2 and V/LA Day 1 makes this point somewhat weak.
  • Edgeworth as Town Cop slightly jars flavour-wise. Town Cop is a strong power-role, so it makes sense from that perspective given Edgeworth's prominence as a character, but it isn't nearly as interesting as Phoenix and Maya's roles flavour-wise. Gumshoe as Tracker fits more straightforwardly since he was a kind of straightforward guy, plus there aren't many other people who could fit as Tracker. Although, Cop doesn't fit that many characters either. Mia, if she were channeled, maybe. Grossberg, although kind of minor character. Phoenix, obviously.
  • A large proportion of posts are defensive/explanatory rather than scumhunting-focused, which can be survivalistic.
SSK


Pros
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  • Geists-Natirasha vouched for him with relatively high confidence - usually people who know each other's play well can read each other quite well.
  • His role is more flavour-fitting than Edgeworth's, even after adjustment.

Cons
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  • Tracked a Town-read, seemingly out of paranoia, which seems a somewhat counter-intuitive thing to do as Town, but makes a lot of sense as scum.
  • Mafia Tracker is a fairly easy to imagine role, like Mafia Jailkeeper, since Tracker is a fairly alignment-neutral role in and of itself. Mafia has no need for hider or cop, although a rolecop (of SK or Mafia alignment) or maybe a normal cop as SK is theoretically possible on Marquis' end.
  • Interactions with Sakura looked like bussing from the start - the initial charge was almost over-confident and Sakura's replies were noted as being bad by several players. I think Sakura was taken off-guard here; it seems somehow easier to imagine that as a scum on scum interaction.
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Overall, I'd slightly lean to believing Marquis here, but thoughts on the above are welcome.

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@KA
: How flavourful is Godot's role, would you say?
I really don't understand this. Clearly it's me or Marquis at this point. It makes no sense to contemplate whether Bert or Ssk even are scum in this. I makes no sense to me.


Marquis is claiming that he thinks I'm scum and I know I'm not. You should be directing your thoughts of who's and who's not scum here.

And pardon my asking, but if Mac is cleared and marquis flips scum, what would that entail?
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Post Post #1377 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:04 am

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KA, Marquis as SK doesn't make sense.

Marquis claimed guilty on slimer. If he's an SK, he does not know whether there will be a tomorrow. Also, if slimer flips town, he is the shoo-in for a lynch tomorrow. Or, Mafia becomes majority tomorrow possibly if Marquis shoots wrong or kill fails.
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Post Post #1378 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:09 am

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Slimer, you'll be dead soon. I'm voting you no matter what. What say you in response, scumbag who is acting weird this game?
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Post Post #1379 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:27 am

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Good idea, Bert. Discredit the fact that we're in a form of mylo and just agree with Marquis.

I AM NOT SCUM.
Is there anything I can do to beat it through your heads to tell you that not only Marquis is lying but that he's up to something?
We haven't even confirmed a SK, for all we know there could be a faction second kill. Albeit unlikely, it fits perfectly for a stung like this
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Post Post #1380 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:27 am

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Why have you been so serious and non trolly this game
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Post Post #1381 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:28 am

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Have you been in MYLO or LYLO before? Links?
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Post Post #1382 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:09 am

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Vote: MafiaSSK


Sorry Nat my gut won't stop yelling at me

Marquis we should go SSK first.
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Post Post #1383 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:11 am

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Mac I know you're around, why so quiet
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Post Post #1384 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:19 am

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In post 1381, Bert wrote:Have you been in MYLO or LYLO before? Links?
In post 1380, Bert wrote:Why have you been so serious and non trolly this game
So glad my reputation for being so lackadaisical throws people off -.-

And yes I suppose there are a couple.
Dunno if this counts - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=675 (also in newbies I'm far more aggressive)

Lylo as scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=25427
Again: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=24036
Town: http://.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=25691&start=1150
Scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=675
Town, but this shouldn't count: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=23992

Sorry for the bad formatting, usually I try to make stuff look pretty, but I'm on my phone so that's not gonna happen.


P-Edit: really...?
You could at least acknowledge what I'm saying here.
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Post Post #1385 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:23 am

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So slimer, who's scum outside of Marquis?
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Post Post #1386 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:37 am

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In post 1383, Bert wrote:Mac I know you're around, why so quiet
if i was around id be posting.

alas, im stuck to my phone now
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Post Post #1387 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:57 pm

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In post 1329, MafiaSSK wrote:Bert, let me tell you I am being
1 completely and utterly honest
2 here. Nat and I are Mafia Bros Forever and
I would never betray that relationship.
He knew I was town. He knew that I should track Marquis.I tracked Marquis and found out he killed Geists. He killed Nat.
3 Nat, who would be able to vouch for me and call the fuck out of his bluff that he was cop.
Marquis knew that would happen so he killed him. And here I am, with caught scum in my fingertips, still not lynched.

If I were scum, Nat would have caught it.
I can guarantee it
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(1) "completely and utterly honest" *shrug*
(2) Mafia Bros Forever doesn't mean you don't draw scum and play to your wincon.
(3) *shrug* reads change too, Nat's reads develop, and he's dead now so this is moot...
In post 1270, MafiaSSK wrote:So unless there's another explanation here,
I think you're scum
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Marquis already explained he copped slimer, so how would there be another explanation there that could exonerate Marquis in your mind if you're town?
In post 1329, MafiaSSK wrote:I tracked Marquis and found out he killed Geists.
*shrug* You didn't know he killed Geists in your mind, until you saw the flip and you saw Marquis's claimed action N2...While in your post 1270 above, you said you "think he's scum."
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Post Post #1388 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:58 pm

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EBWOP: In 1270, if you're town, you obviously saw Marquis's claimed action and role, so you KNEW he had to be scum if you're town. Yet you said "I think you're scum." No force in that post.
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Post Post #1389 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:23 pm

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Well to be honest I haven't really been active enough to pick up on anything from anyone that indicates scum. And the people I've been in contact with all died.

So Marquis is my only thought for scum. Confirmed scum. That believe should be lynched ASAP and why are you listening to him?
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Post Post #1390 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:25 pm

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Why should I listen to you when you've lurked hard and you've been way more serious than usual. Also, have you fully caught up to this game yet
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Post Post #1391 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:32 pm

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Oh, yeah I lurked hard. So of course I'm caught up.
It's less active now so I have to stop pretending like I've been busy.

And you have a point, but I'm not just going to sit around and let us lose.
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Post Post #1392 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:34 pm

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Uh huh. Who's scum other than Marquis? Also, some flavor information please?
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Post Post #1393 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:02 pm

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Oh I must have deleted that part o.O
Somehow.

I said that all I know is that everyone I came into contact with has died and that right now Marquis is conf scum to me.
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Post Post #1394 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:08 pm

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What do you mean everyone you came into contact with has died???
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Post Post #1395 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:14 pm

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Post Post #1396 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:16 pm

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And what does that tell you? why is that remarkable for you so that you find it worth mentioning?

There are other scum, who are they in your mind - best guess...

who are your townreads? Let's see if you've been paying attention
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Post Post #1397 (ISO) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:32 pm

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Just leaving a note that if anyone shows up tonight, I will be here to talk.

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Post Post #1398 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:35 am

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i've burned myself out by actually trying

if anyone wants to ask questions, won't purposely try to read it as exclusively scummy, and isn't confscum feel free to do so
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Post Post #1399 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:15 am

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Marquis, vote SSK please? Consolidate.

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