Open 847 - Trust Fall [Game Over]

[chavela]

it doesn't really make any sense that the worst would be your biggest townread right now

like how would the worst be more likely to be town than me or ydrasse or even meuh,

and because if the worst leaves with you and is mafia it causes the same issue i outlined earlier with regards to ydrasse

like ydrasse/kuriyama isn't necessarily my preferred pairing right now

but it is the one that is there and i like it better than no action being taken i think

I had a million more doubts about both

Enchant

and

humaneatingmonkey

than I have about ducky's content. And both of these slots turned out to be town.

Norwee

's content felt genuine.

the worst

's content feels genuine. What's so scummy about them?

like the suggesting other pairings at crunch time and the trust of ydrasse here

would both be expected from mafia

like can be explained as town but would be expected from mafia the worst

whereas mechanically there are more likely towns

so you ignoring that and deciding the worst is the towniest is confusing

[chavela]

like even if you don't like my content et cetera, what's possibly scummy about it?

how are you weighing the worst's genuineness over that

do you think there are likely worlds right now where ydrasse is mafia with anyone other than the worst?

and so forth

[Ydrasse]

i’m actually okay if greeting is town making that offer to a scum worst i think it takes out one of the ??? spots

not good that mafia escapes but informative

[Ydrasse]

i won’t leave but i got close. twitchy

[chavela]

i won’t leave but i got close. twitchy

what does it look like

if we leave together

or if you/meuh leave

[Ydrasse]

it looks like less stress for us if we leave

i don’t know if i trust meuh enough despite the trusts on meuh

[Ydrasse]

maybe kuri can have enough faith to leave with meuh

[chavela]

maybe kuri can have enough faith to leave with meuh

this remains my preferred option

but kuriyama also has the button and was opposed

[Ydrasse]

could let everyone else see how kuri acts with meuh without the suggestion of us two complementing them

[Ydrasse]

if we leave

and kuri and meuh are the team

greeting and the worst find each other

[Ydrasse]

i think kuri suggested something like that even so maybe it really is like pav/bug

[chavela]

i think kuri suggested something like that even so maybe it really is like pav/bug

does greeting

seem likely town to you though?

[Ydrasse]

meh?

hand wiggle?

coin flip?

[Ydrasse]

don’t think town worst accepts greeting so not thinking about it much

[Ydrasse]

so can’t distinguish it from scum not accepting scum

[the worst]

I am quite pleased

[the worst]

where's that humaneatingmonkey post

[the worst]

i dont think scum are playing much at all this game

it's like all the townies are mingling and they mingled a lot early and it's too hard now for scum to really break into the core

I kinda agree tbf. My problem is that there's not nearly enough players I'm confident are town.

i guess we can try to kinda break this down.
without factoring in trusts, who do you think is town?;
having factored in trusts, who do you think is town?;
if you don't townread anyone who has left a trust un-answered, why not?

% chance on meuh/the worst distancing?

anyone can answer this

though i guess maybe the worst and meuh weighing in wouldn't be all that helpful

zero percent.

@greeting this is still something i really need before I'm gonna feel confident on you. There are players who are mechanically a lot townier than I am (Ydra/Kuri should contain 2 town; chavela as scum likely would have self-yeeted d1). I'm townsiding and making the right noises, but I'm not sure I'd look all that different if I was scum in this game. From your pov, I think the core difference between me and those three is that ive made an effort to look for town motivation in your play - which makes me a bit wary about a trust offer.

[the worst]

I think I'm fairly close to being willing to bet the game that Pav is scum. I don't want to bet the game on anything though.

Meuh, please talk to me if you start feeling the temptation.

[Greeting]

like the suggesting other pairings at crunch time and the trust of ydrasse here

would both be expected from mafia

like can be explained as town but would be expected from mafia the worst

whereas mechanically there are more likely towns

so you ignoring that and deciding the worst is the towniest is confusing

I had a feeling about this slot Day 1 and it hasn't changed. I just kinda... stuck with it.

I don't know how to confidently townread slots who have a gameplay like

Enchant

or

Ydrasse

- posting a lot of

fluff

light-hearted content and then suddenly overload the game with content in-between. I don't think this playstyle is necessarily bad, it's just something I cannot vibe with. I find it really hard to follow where they're at at the moment, because they seem to be everywhere at the same time and that's why I usually try to sort elsewhere.

But I know that other players do and often with good results. So I leave it up to them and don't think about it that much.

I was townreading you, but then 1193 happened and I started to doubt that judgement. I still think you're more likely to be town though.

I figured that I could keep waiting and get nullread and ignored for the rest of the game (not that it's something I blame everyone for - I am, after all the least active) or just pick someone whom I confidently trust and see what happens. It's probably not convincing, but it's just the truth about my gameplay in this setup.

[Meuh]

where's that humaneatingmonkey post

This one?

Spoiler:

guys im scum

[Meuh]

I think I'm fairly close to being willing to bet the game that Pav is scum. I don't want to bet the game on anything though.

Meuh, please talk to me if you start feeling the temptation.

I'll let you know if the devilish urge to leave with Pav ever occurs
at the moment I'm still not interested in doing so

[Ydrasse]

greeting what do you think about the theoretical that chavela posted about me/chavela leaving together today

[the worst]

Greeting -- I would probably consider chavela someone who has a similar level of innate intensity to their gameplay than me (sorry shiki i hope that is a compliment) And I'm kind of surprised chavela doesn't top out your list.

I also feel like you have a lot of awareness of how the mechanics of this setup should inform dayplay, but I dont really feel like you've acknowledged a few things which strike me as like, profoundly mechanically pertinent.

- why would scum!chavela spend the second half of d1 forcing town to open their third eye and reevaluate their reads, but then stick around for d2 if she was scum?
- why would kuriyama not immediately leave with ydrasse; why would ydrasse not immediately leave with kuriyama?
- (much more fresh) why would meuh not immediately leave with her choice of pav/spray?

[the worst]

where's that humaneatingmonkey post

This one?

Spoiler:

guys im scum

that's the one. :p